***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[InTheHallway]

What is an "outright illegal" and how exactly are they different than visa overstays? What is your reasoning for extending visas to overstays?

Sorry, I will clarify ...

Outright illegal refers to people presumably entering with no documentation as to who they are and their purpose ...

My reasoning for extending Visa overstays is two fold: 1) We know who the people are and generally what they are doing here 2) I am sympathetic to immigrants

I do feel there should be stricter provisions if found to be here illegally due to an overstay because you have broken the law ... But I don't think they should be treated equal to undocumented immigrants ... Undocumented immigrants should be returned ... Visa overstays should be granted a temporary extension to enable them to get in the legal immigration line or show a reason to extend their Visa ...

 

[gry60]

I am a proponent of legal immigration as it currently stands, and the allowance of current illegal immigrants to get in line through the extension of expired visas

Another proof that you don't know what you're talking about.

That would amount to amnesty, which is something that you seem to be against, since current laws (that you are for) require those who lose their status to exit the country. If you stay here on an expired visa for more than 3 (or 6 months), you're basically forbidden to come back for 10 years. Many overstayers won't risk that.

Immigration law as it stands does not allow people to adjust their status except under very precise circumstances.

The only logical conclusion to draw from their views on how to treat the current illegal population (let them stay) (1), their opposition to border wall investment(2)

Did you not just propose (1) above?

Do you realize that (2) is an obsolete way to keep people out of a territory (ladders still exist, can go around the wall through open waters, fly in, build tunnels under), prohibitely expensive (gotta build roads to get the materials there, pay people who will lose their lands, and a whole other set of engineering issues I don't want to get into), tries to respond to a problem that doesn't exist (border crossing are down), and is not the main reason for illegal immigration (visa overstays account for much more than illegal border crossing)?

 

[Belgium]

Is there a country out there where the ratio of stupid people isn't as high as America's?

I think every country has its fair share of idiots but the ones in America are vastly more vocal in my view, not necessarily significantly larger in numbers. Also different kinds of ignorance. We have far less biblethumpers for example.
Creationism is practically non-existant here and if you said you take the bible literally, word for word, you'd probably be looked at as someone in need of psychiatric treatment.
In the US, taking the bible literally word for word is a somewhat common position. The number has been decreasing but Gallup polled it at 24% last year. To me that just sounds bat**** insane and utterly detached from reality, scientific fact and basic common sense. Even my christian religion teachers mocked that degree of christian fundamentalism, with some describing it as an excellent way to turn off the youth from the christian faith.

 

[InTheHallway]

Another proof that you don't know what you're talking about.

That would amount to amnesty, which is something that you seem to be against, since current laws (that you are for) require those who lose their status to exit the country. If you stay here on an expired visa for more than 3 (or 6 months), you're basically forbidden to come back for 10 years. Many overstayers won't risk that.

Immigration law as it stands does not allow people to adjust their status except under very precise circumstances.



Did you not just propose (1) above?

Do you realize that (2) is an obsolete way to keep people out of a territory (ladders still exist, can go around the wall through open waters, fly in, build tunnels under), prohibitely expensive (gotta build roads to get the materials there, pay people who will lose their lands, and a whole other set of engineering issues I don't want to get into), tries to respond to a problem that doesn't exist (border crossing are down), and is not the main reason for illegal immigration (visa overstays account for much more than illegal border crossing)?

I think amnesty is interpreted too broadly ... I view amnesty as the immediate "approval" of who is currently here without any strings attached ... Maybe I am wrong but there can be a middle ground, making it harder on people who overstay while acknowledging the difference between them and undocumented immigrants ... You must show a purpose to be here or be in a pipeline to get here, period ...

I believe improved border security, through a combination of strengthening the wall and expanding patrol would be beneficial ... I should have clarified that opposition from the Left isn't just for the wall, it is the opposition of patrol as well ...

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

As for the Left's immigration platform ... The only logical conclusion to draw from their views on how to treat the current illegal population (let them stay), their opposition to border wall investment and their endorsement and victory laps for politicians like Ocasio who wants to abolish ICE, is that open borders is preferred ... Imagine the precedent set if all illegal immigrants are prioritized over those in the legal immigration pipeline? You are rewarding criminals and delegitimizing the process ... That cant happen ...

since the name of the game is picking and choosing points while selectively ignore context and nuance, ill focus my post on the wall.

How is "dems oppose the wall so they must want an open border" a logical conclusion to draw when its statistically relevant that boarder crossings and arrests are at an all time low and have been declining for years and that the majority of illegals here consists of people that traveled here legally to begin with and over stayed. whats the justification for an "investment" to treat a problem thats declining and doesnt apply to the majority of illegals in this country? meanwhile trump ran a campaign centered around xenophobia and demonizing immigrants, things that the left ideological opposes at their core and view the wall which by the numbers doesnt address most of America's illegal immigrants as just a symbol of that xenophobia and hate. But the only "logical conclusion” you can draw is that they want open boarders? With all the information available to you, that’s sound reasoning? And you’re wondering why people are clowning you?

 

[(*Fin)]

Jim Jordan looking like a fool.

 

[InTheHallway]

since the name of the game is picking and choosing points while selectively ignore context and nuance, ill focus my post on the wall.

How is "dems oppose the wall so they must want an open border" a logical conclusion to draw when its statistically relevant that boarder crossings and arrests are at an all time low and have been declining for years and that the majority of illegals here consists of people that traveled here legally to begin with and over stayed. whats the justification for an "investment" to treat a problem thats declining and doesnt apply to the majority of illegals in this country? meanwhile trump ran a campaign centered around xenophobia and demonizing immigrants, things that the left ideological opposes at their core and view the wall which by the numbers doesnt address most of America's illegal immigrants as just a symbol of that xenophobia and hate. But the only "logical conclusion” you can draw is that they want open boarders? With all the information available to you, that’s sound reasoning? And you’re wondering why people are clowning you?

This is what is referred to as straw man, ignoring my context and focusing on just the border ... I can use your same stats to "prove" that family separation is what curbed illegal immigration ...

 

[wavycrocket]

Y’all know I InTheHallway is being intellectually dishonest at every turn....yet y’all continue to seriously engage him

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

This is what is referred to as straw man, ignoring my context and focusing on just the border ... I can use your same stats to "prove" that family separation is what curbed illegal immigration ...

You see the irony in this post don’t you?

 

[Belgium]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rter-gdp-growth-revised-down-to-2-on-services
U.S. First-Quarter GDP Growth Revised Down to 2% on Services
The U.S. economy expanded in the first quarter at a slower pace than previously estimated, reflecting downward revisions to spending on services and to inventory investment, according to Commerce Department data released Thursday.

Key Takeaways
The smaller gain in first-quarter services spending primarily reflected fewer outlays by non-profits for health care. The downward revision to inventories was attributable to retail stockpiles, while annual updates to government trade data showed fewer exports and more imports during the quarter, according to Commerce.



A report Wednesday on the May merchandise trade deficit showed the narrowest gap in nine months, driven by a boost in exports. As a result, several economists revised their second-quarter tracking estimates for second-quarter growth. At the same time, there’s a risk that U.S. tariffs could have a modest impact on future growth.



The economy has shown clear signs of accelerating from the first-quarter slowdown in GDP, which measures the value of all goods and services produced in the U.S. The first quarter is also typically influenced by seasonal quirks.



The Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s GDPNow tracking estimate for second-quarter growth was almost 4.5 percent as of Wednesday, while the median forecast in a Bloomberg survey of economists called for a 3.4 percent pace.

Notably, consumer spending has shown signs of awakening from a winter slumber as higher take-home pay from lower taxes and gradually rising wages in a robust labor market bolster Americans’ financial positions.

A separate report Thursday showed that jobless claims rose in the week ended June 23 for the first time in five weeks. Applications increased by 9,000 to 227,000, a level that remains consistent with a tight labor environment.

Other Details

• Nonresidential fixed investment -- which includes spending on equipment, structures and intellectual property -- increased an annualized 10.4 percent, the most since 3Q 2014 and revised from 9.2 percent rise
• Spending on business equipment rose 5.8 percent, revised from 5.5 percent gain
• Net exports subtracted 0.04 percentage point from GDP growth, revised from an 0.08 percentage point contribution
• Inventories subtracted 0.01 point, compared with a previously reported 0.13-point lift
• Residential investment fell at a 1.1 percent rate, revised from 2 percent decline
• Final sales to domestic purchasers, which strip out trade and inventories -- the two most volatile components of the GDP calculation -- advanced 2 percent, revised from 1.9 percent
• Government spending increased at a 1.3 percent rate, revised from a 1.1 percent gain
• Real disposable personal income rose at 3.6 percent pace, revised from 3.3 percent gain
• GDP report is the final of three estimates for the quarter before annual revisions in July
• Gross domestic income, adjusted for inflation, increased 3.6 percent in the first quarter after climbing 1 percent in the fourth quarter

https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-economists-boost-estimates-for-u-s-growth-1530129975
Some Economists Boost Estimates for U.S. Growth
Newly released trade data for May prompt some forecasters to upgrade second-quarter growth estimates

Economists are raising their estimates of second-quarter U.S. growth after new government figures showed a smaller-than-expected trade deficit for May.

The Commerce Department on Wednesday reported the trade deficit in goods narrowed 3.7% in May from the prior month, as exports climbed 2.1% and imports rose a more modest 0.2%. Export growth adds to the goods and services produced by a nation, boosting output growth, while import growth means more of what a nation consumes is produced abroad and isn’t counted in domestic production.

“The nominal goods deficit has now narrowed for three straight months following seven consecutive months of widening,” and as a result it appears trade “will make a significant contribution” to growth in the second quarter, JPMorgan Chase economist Daniel Silver said in a note to clients.

The recent narrowing in the trade gap reversed a widening that followed a series of powerful hurricanes last year, according to Pantheon Macroeconomics chief economist Ian Shepherdson. The storms late last summer disrupted port traffic and were followed by an imports surge as American companies restocked depleted inventory. That could mean the deficit won’t continue to narrow.

Businesses also might be adapting to tariff threats that may eventually disrupt trade. May saw a 12.8% jump in U.S. exports of foods, feeds and beverages from the prior month, which “could reflect efforts by the private sector to book exports ahead of tariff increases,” Barclays economists Michael Gapen and Pooja Sriram said in a note to clients.

Based on Wednesday’s report, some forecasters upgraded their estimates for growth in the second quarter, which ends this weekend. Macroeconomic Advisers raised its second-quarter gross domestic product forecast to a 5.3% seasonally adjusted annual growth rate; as of Monday, the firm had been predicting a 4.6% growth rate.

If the latest forecast holds up, it would be the strongest quarterly growth reading since the third quarter of 2003, edging the 5.2% growth rate recorded in the third quarter of 2014.

The second-quarter pickup comes after a modest slowdown in the first quarter, when the Commerce Department reported 2.2% growth for economic output. The government on Thursday will release revised GDP data for the first quarter and put out its initial estimate for second-quarter output on July 27.

Growth rates can be volatile from quarter to quarter, and the springtime acceleration may prove temporary. Still, economists expect healthy economic growth in 2018 thanks in part to stimulus from recent tax cuts and increased government spending. Forecasters surveyed earlier this month by The Wall Street Journal on average predicted 2.9% GDP growth in the fourth quarter of 2018 from a year earlier, easing to 2.4% growth in 2019 and 1.9% growth in 2020.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Y’all know I InTheHallway is being intellectually dishonest at every turn....yet y’all continue to seriously engage him

You’re right, he’s too committed to the troll

 

[Belgium]

Thanks Donald!
https://www.apnews.com/f0ace5708bab...an-reopens-uranium-plant-in-its-latest-gamble
AP Explains: Iran reopens uranium plant in its latest gamble
Iran says it has restarted production at a “major” uranium facility involved in its nuclear program, though it still pledges to follow the terms of the country’s landmark atomic deal now under threat after President Donald Trump pulled America out of the accord.
Iranian comments about the Isfahan plant, which produces material needed to make enriched uranium, appear aimed at pressuring Europeans and others to come up with a way to circumvent new American sanctions.

Already, many international organizations are pulling back from promised billion-dollar deals with Tehran and the country’s currency has entered a free-fall against the dollar.

What comes next likely will resemble Iran’s response to previous confrontation with the West over its contested atomic program.

A PLANT REOPENS

The Atomic Energy Organization of Iran said in a statement late Wednesday that it reopened a plant that converts yellowcake, a uranium powder, into uranium hexafluoride gas. That gas is what scientists put inside of centrifuges to make enriched uranium that can be used in nuclear power plants or in atomic bombs. Iran long has said its program is peaceful, though the West and the United Nations point to work Iran did years earlier that could be used to weaponize its program.

The “production plant at Isfahan UCF Complex has been practically inactive since 2009 because of the lack of yellowcake in the country,” the organization said in its statement. That marks an Iranian acknowledgement of something it denied back in 2009 — that it had exhausted its sole supply of yellowcake, which came under a deal that Iran’s Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi made with apartheid South Africa in the 1970s.

Since the 2015 nuclear deal, Iran has purchased yellowcake from Kazakhstan and Russia, as well as mined its own domestically. The accord allows for that, but limits Iran’s enrichment of uranium to 3.67 percent, enough to use in a nuclear power plant but far lower than the 90 percent needed for an atomic weapon.

TENSIONS OVER TRUMP

Since Trump’s decision to pull America from the nuclear deal, Iran has sought to pressure other nations to stick with it. Iranian officials — from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on down — have vowed to boost the country’s uranium enrichment capacity. The moves they have outlined would not violate the accord, but would allow Iran to quickly ramp up enrichment if the agreement unravels.

Officials also have appeared in state media video and pictures at Isfahan with advanced IR-2M, IR-4 and IR-6 centrifuges labeled in English in the background. Those models are all believed to produce three to five times more enriched uranium in a year than the IR-1s that Iran is allowed to use under the deal, according to Western anti-proliferation experts.

The Atomic Energy Organization of Iran also released a video showing the first drum of yellowcake being put through the reopened facility, located 410 kilometers (255 miles) south of Tehran, as dramatic music played in the background.

“It is important that the resumption of the Isfahan UCF ... provides for the fulfillment and execution of the supreme leader’s order to prepare for an increase in enrichment capacity,” the organization said in its statement late Wednesday.

WHAT COULD HAPPEN NEXT

Trump’s hard line, as well as the United States ordering its allies to stop buying Iranian crude oil, only increases the change of the wider nuclear deal collapsing. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Wednesday that Iran’s “ambitions for wastefully expanding its nuclear program ... only add to the suffering of the people of Iran.”

A guide for what happens next likely can be seen in how Iran initially handled its nuclear confrontation with the West. In 2005, Iran acknowledged converting yellowcake into uranium tetrafluoride, a step below the uranium hexafluoride needed for centrifuges. While allowed under the terms of a then-European deal, it came as negotiations with Tehran had become deadlocked.

Iran a short time later removed U.N. seals from equipment to produce uranium hexafluoride, again stopping as negotiations with the West continued. But by February 2006, hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ordered uranium enrichment to resume in earnest.

“Iran’s decision to master nuclear technology and the production of nuclear fuel is irreversible,” Ahmadinejad would say, putting his country on a collision course with the West that saw crippling sanctions imposed.

For now, Iran remains governed by President Hassan Rouhani, a relative moderate with Iran’s theocracy whose administration brokered the deal. However, Rouhani has faced increasing criticism from hard-liners, some of whom have openly called for the country to be run by military officials.

Final say on the nuclear program, however, rests with Khamenei.

“In the face of the excessive demands of the opposite side, a courageous move must be made,” Khamenei said in May.

 

[sundoobie]

deportation of outright illegals .

Like an immigrant non documented gardener who works 12 hours a day, and whom has American born children?

You're OK with destroying this family?

You're ok with their children going to the same school as your children but now with anger issues against white folks especially those that support Trump all due to his father being deported. Now there is no father figure in the household so these American born Mexican children don't care about their education, skipping school and on the streets dealing to help feed their families. Eventually end up in State prison and viola just like that become involved with the Mexican Cartel/Mafia. Educators now have to deal with consulting these children, because these kids have no other authority figure to turn to. I live in So Cal and I have a few friends whom are educators in the LA School District and I hear this constantly from them. The horror stories they have to hear from these kids are crazy including how some are not able to handle the pain so they turn to hurting themselves by cutting. There are about what? 5 million kids under 18 born in the US to illegal immigrants so basically a generation of possibly mentally ill children. This is what makes America Great Again?

 

[Based Jesus]

Y’all know I InTheHallway is being intellectually dishonest at every turn....yet y’all continue to seriously engage him

I can't even see his posts. There's nothing he types that I need or want to see. It's all ********.

 

[elpablo21]

Portuguese Prez pulling cards

 

[IATT]

 

[gry60]

think amnesty is interpreted too broadly ... I view amnesty as the immediate "approval" of who is currently here without any strings attached ...

That is not happening. At all. DACA already had obligations; look them up.

One thing to know is that the US immigration system is designed to keep people out. Immigration officers have broad latitude to deny applications and entry to foreigners without the possibility of appeals in most cases. The one different thing that is happening right now is that the current leaders want to rob people of their dignity.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

I can't even see his posts. There's nothing he types that I need or want to see. It's all bull****.

I get the sentiments of not wanting to read his posts. However, I am of the opinion lately that I want to hear exactly what the right (or alt-right) has to say about everything from sports to politics, word for word, line for line. I dont want any confusion as to how they think and what their position is on these various issues. So that I know exactly where they stand and I can react accordingly. I say let him keep posting. It's entertaining.

 

[Belgium]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...test-news-as-bad-as-nafta-g7-summit?CMP=fb_us
Trump trashed Nato at G7, calling it ‘as bad as Nafta’, officials confirm
President’s remarks were confirmed by European officials, adding to jitters among allies about what will happen at July Nato summit

trashed Nato, saying it was “as bad as Nafta”, the North American free trade agreement the US president openly despises, European officials have confirmed.

Trump’s inflammatory remarks – made in private at the G7 summit in Quebec earlier this month – were first reported by Axios and confirmed on Thursday by two European officials. They have added to jitters among US allies about what will happen at a Nato summit in Brussels starting on 11 July, followed by Trump’s meeting with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki five days later.

At the tense G7 meeting in Quebec, Trump berated his six fellow leaders of major industrialised democracies for taking advantage of the US, in trade relations and in defence spending. Of the looming Nato summit, he said: “It will be an interesting summit. Nato is as bad as Nafta. It’s much too costly for the US.”

Asked for comment, a national security council spokesperson did not deny Trump made the remarks but said: “The president is committed to the alliance, as he has stated repeatedly. The president has also been clear we expect our allies to shoulder their fair share of our common defense burden and to do more in areas that most affect them.

“There is no better way to signal Nato’s resolve than for each and every ally to allocate the resources necessary to share their burden of our collective defense,” the NSC spokesperson added.

Governments in London, Paris and Berlin, as well as Ottawa, fear that Trump could lambast his Nato partners and then flatter Putin in Helsinki, triggering a crisis in confidence in the transatlantic alliance.

Europeans were ready to be criticised for low defence spending, a favourite Trump theme, but following the disastrous Quebec summit they are afraid it could be worse, with the US president calling Nato’s purpose into question.

There is added anxiety that Trump would go on, after a UK visit in between, to a chummy tête-à-tête with Putin in Finland, in the same way he flew from the fractious G7 summit in Quebec – tweeting insults at the host, Justin Trudeau, from Air Force One along the way – to a meeting with Kim Jong-un in Singapore, where he unilaterally offered to suspend joint military exercises with South Korea, to the surprise of US and South Korean militaries alike.

European, as well as US state and defence department officials, worry he could make private concessions to curry favour with Putin in Helsinki, perhaps lessening the pressure on Moscow over its annexation of Crimea and intervention in eastern Ukraine.

According to BuzzFeed, Trump told leaders at the G7 summit that Crimea was Russian because everyone there speaks Russia.

Some European officials and experts argue that the anxiety over Nato’s future is overwrought and excessively focused on Trump’s remarks. They point out that the US has actually increased its investment in the defence of Europe.

“The Trump administration is spending far more on Nato than the Obama administration and greatly increasing the readiness and strength of the forces that the US can supply to Nato,” strategic analyst Anthony Cordesman wrote in a report by the Centre for Strategic and International Studies on the state of the alliance.

The fractures in the alliance have been widened by a looming trade war between the US and Nato allies in Europe and Canada. Trump has imposed tariffs on their steel and aluminium and they have hit back with tariffs on distinctive US exports from Levi’s to bourbon and Harley-Davidson motorcycles. The administration is also threatening sanctions against any European and other foreign firms that do business in Iran.

One of the consistent elements of Trump’s foreign policy is fervent opposition to multilateral organisations, including Nafta, which he has threatened to leave, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which he abandoned, and the EU, which he rails against frequently. He has told European leaders privately they would be better off in a bilateral free-trade deal with the US than in the Union.

“We love the countries of the European Union,” Trump said on Wednesday. “But the European Union was set up to take advantage of the United States.”

https://www.businessinsider.nl/john...-policy-shift-2018-6/?international=true&r=US
John Bolton just did a complete 180 on his Russia stance after meeting with Putin

• National security adviser John Bolton once said Russia’s election interference was “truly an act of war” against the US, and that a policy based on trusting Russia was “doomed to failure.”
• Bolton’s tune changed completely after he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday.
• He also said President Donald Trump and Putin will likely discuss Trump’s recent calls for Russia to be readmitted to the G7 alliance.
• When confronted by a reporter about his shift on Russia, Bolton said he would not address the discrepancy.

US national security adviser John Bolton once said that Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election was “an act of war” against the US and warned that the US could not trust Russia.

On Wednesday, he told the Russian leader: “We are most appreciative of your courtesy and graciousness.”

Bolton’s comments came after he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin ahead of a highly anticipated summit between Putin and US President Donald Trump in July.

Citing Kremlin spokesperson Yury Ushakov, the Russian state media outlet TASS reportedPutin and Bolton discussed “strategic stability in the world, control over nuclear weapons and, in general, a disarmament dossier.” Ushakov said they also discussed the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine, North Korea, and the Iran nuclear deal.

Bolton and the Kremlin did not say whether he and Putin discussed Russia’s election meddling. The Kremlin said the two men did not broach the subject of sanctions or the diplomatic spat between the US and Russia.

At a press conference held later in Moscow, Bolton said Moscow and Washington would announce the time and place of the Trump-Putin summit on Thursday. The presser was broadcast from the headquarters of the Russian state media outlet Interfax, instead of from the US embassy in Moscow.

One reporter asked Bolton whether he felt it was appropriate for Trump and Putin to meet given that Russia has not changed any of its behavior in the past.

He was also asked whether Trump would broach Russia’s election interference and allegations that a Russian missile was responsible for downing Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in 2014.

Bolton responded that “there are a wide range of issues … where both [Trump and Putin] think they’d like to find constructive solutions. I’d like to hear someone say that’s a bad idea.”

“You yourself said a national security policy based on faith that regimes like Russia will honor their commitments is doomed to failure,” the reporter replied.

Bolton said that he would not address previous statements he had made and reiterated that Trump will “raise the full range of issues” between the US and Russia when the presidents meet in July.

He also said Trump and Putin would likely discuss Trump’s recent calls for Russia to be readmitted to the G7.

Trump first brought up his proposal during the annual G7 summit in Canada earlier this month, also reportedly suggesting Crimea was part of Russia because the people there spoke Russian. Russian state media celebrated Trump’s reported statements, with one host declaring, “Crimea is ours! Trump is ours!”

Bolton pushed back on that notion when The Wall Street Journal’s Anatoly Kurmanaev asked whether Trump recognizes Russia’s annexation of Crimea – in other words, whether Russia controls Crimea.

“That’s not the United States’s position,” Bolton replied.

A Bloomberg News reporter later asked Bolton whether he was “suspicious” that Putin arrived on time to the meeting and treated Trump’s emissary “with more respect” than he gives other world leaders.

“That’s the hardest question I’ve been asked here today,” Bolton quipped. “I could either agree with you that he wasn’t late, or I could tell you when he actually arrived and be accused of saying that he was late.”

As for “the meaning of [this meeting] with respect to … anyone else that you mentioned, I think I’ll just duck the question,” Bolton added.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...test-news-as-bad-as-nafta-g7-summit?CMP=fb_us
Trump trashed Nato at G7, calling it ‘as bad as Nafta’, officials confirm
President’s remarks were confirmed by European officials, adding to jitters among allies about what will happen at July Nato summit

Lol at Trump, who does he think his coalition partners are in the (so-called) war on terror, the Oathkeepers? Gun Owners of America? Imagine the damage control military brass has to do whenever he opens his mouth.

UNLESS.....

He is trying to get coalition forces out so Erik Prince can stick his contractors in.

 

[InTheHallway]

That is not happening. At all. DACA already had obligations; look them up.

One thing to know is that the US immigration system is designed to keep people out. Immigration officers have broad latitude to deny applications and entry to foreigners without the possibility of appeals in most cases. The one different thing that is happening right now is that the current leaders want to rob people of their dignity.

I disagree, obviously, with robbing people of their dignity or not giving just due ... There are levels to benefit of the doubt and I think it's dangerous to talk in extremes ...

As a father to a minority, I, selfishly, do not want to see minorities treated unequally ... I am sure someone will run with my next comment but I'll say it anyway ... I have blood family members of all races and half of my child's family came here illegally ... My best friend is one generation removed from being here illegally ... Believe me, I do not want to see human beings treated like animals unless it is warranted ...

But I also believe that our country should have immigration laws that are followed and dont use my known success stories as a means to justify breaking our laws ... I, selfishly, am more interested in protecting my son from illegal immigrants than allowing unbridled entry ...

 

[dreamer23]

this was 2 days ago...chump...

 

[aepps20]

this was 2 days ago...chump...

 

[InTheHallway]

I get the sentiments of not wanting to read his posts. However, I am of the opinion lately that I want to hear exactly what the right (or alt-right) has to say about everything from sports to politics, word for word, line for line. I dont want any confusion as to how they think and what their position is on these various issues. So that I know exactly where they stand and I can react accordingly. I say let him keep posting. It's entertaining.

Wow, I am so glad that you endorse postings with alternative perspectives! What a novel concept - hearing the other side out ... Now, if we could just work on the name calling and sensationalism we could really make progress ...

 

[dreamer23]