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My whole point is that leftists should be considering this as you all push these race neutral plans. I personally don’t have programs to suggest, but I can easily foresee the ways that the race neutral ones fall short. I agree with everything Methodical Management posted. Definitely get Trumpian “What do you have to lose?” energy with some of the rhetoric.What I'm asking is how do you conceive of translating that goal into a specific political program that you would see as adequately addressing it.
I don't believe I quoted or brought up Karl Marx once in that exchange, nor have I even read Capital as you had intimated in an apparent attempt to reduce me to some aloof "coffee shop revolutionary," so there goes that theory...I referenced this in a previous conversation in this thread, and was essentially told that, because Du Bois wrote a century ago, he is less relevant to a discussion of racial inequality in the US than the dogma of a White man who died in London before Du Bois was even born. (And you wonder why people don't want to engage.)
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Imagine someone said the following: "My political program is designed to accomplish the following. Every black person will be guaranteed living wage employment by the federal government. Every black person will be covered under a universal healthcare program in which there will be no premiums, deductibles, or co-pays, and medical services will be free at the point of delivery. Every black person will receive a generously funded, high-quality public education, including free public higher education. Every black person will be guaranteed decent and affordable housing, and the federal government will build housing to meet those needs to whatever extent necessary. Black workers will be empowered to take over collective management (if not ownership) of their workplaces. The federal government will invest billions of dollars in revitalizing public infrastructure in black communities." And on and on.My whole point is that leftists should be considering this as you all push these race neutral plans. I personally don’t have programs to suggest, but I can easily foresee the ways that the race neutral ones fall short. I agree with everything Methodical Management posted. Definitely get Trumpian “What do you have to lose?” energy with some of the rhetoric.
Also, left, right, center and grill pilled can all agree that this man is daaaaaaaaaaaapper AF!
I think what people are pointing out is that even leftist policies are insufficient to achieve real economic and social justice for black people. You can claim there are better that whatever someone else is pushing, but they are still inadequate. They are only part of the solution. People want more because more will be needed to make the black community whole. More than what it will take to make poor white people whole.Imagine someone said the following: "My political program is designed to accomplish the following. Every black person will be guaranteed living wage employment by the federal government. Every black person will be covered under a universal healthcare program in which there will be no premiums, deductibles, or co-pays, and medical services will be free at the point of delivery. Every black person will receive a generously funded, high-quality public education, including free public higher education. Every black person will be guaranteed decent and affordable housing, and the federal government will build housing to meet those needs to whatever extent necessary. Black workers will be empowered to take over collective management (if not ownership) of their workplaces. The federal government will invest billions of dollars in revitalizing public infrastructure in black communities." And on and on.
Who in their rightful mind that cares about the well-being of black folks would say "Nah, I don't want that"?
But if the targets of those sentences change to "every person," these same proposals have now somehow become detrimental to black people? Akin to Trump's reactionary appeals?
Appreciate the dialogue as always fam. I will respond tomorrow.I think what people are pointing out is that even leftist policies are insufficient to achieve real economic and social justice for black people. You can claim there are better that whatever someone else is pushing, but they are still inadequate. They are only part of the solution. People want more because more will be needed to make the black community whole. More than what it will take to make poor white people whole.
To achieve that, at some point, you have to add additional policies and goals that explicitly spell out that their aim is to help specifically black people. The issue is that what guarantee will there be that new socialist coalition that pushes through colorblind universal policies, will also be on board with pushing through other programs specifically aimed at helping black Americans?
The goal is to use this class first rhetoric to attract a ton of new marginal voters into supporting the leftist agenda. Is it not?
But whenever someone points out the friction there, you circle back to how much good the leftist agenda will do for black people, how it is better than the liberal policy plan, or how pure of heart the median leftist is, without ever addressing that friction.
Secondly, when you have socialist/leftist/Marxist that have done an abysmal job at building a political movement big enough to gain power. That can't win in swing districts. That can't win where the Democratic brand is dead. That can't pry a decent amount of the left-wing coalition away from the Democratic establishment. A group of people that can't even prove their theories on coalition building. To trust and buy into a plan of a group that is disproportionately white already. Use rhetoric that is clearly designed not to trigger white people. Yet the request is made that people should just jump in, put concerns aside, treat anything outside of their narrow framing as distractions, and just trust socialist have ir right.
So yes, it does come off as some "what do you have to lose" steez.
Also, left, right, center and grill pilled can all agree that this man is daaaaaaaaaaaapper AF!
It seems that paranoia might be contagious. If you check the tape, the description you’re referring to was applied to the first year grad students who burned me out with their facile class reductionist nonsense a long time ago.I don't believe I quoted or brought up Karl Marx once in that exchange, nor have I even read Capital as you had intimated in an apparent attempt to reduce me to some aloof "coffee shop revolutionary," so there goes that theory...
I bet he uses an iPhone though.