I agree that if Bernie came out and admitted that the reason the Democratic Party has not been able to provide more positive change for people is because of how undemocratic the electoral system is, it won't fire people up.
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Dude that is my whole point about Bernie, that at the end of the day, when you strip back the layers he is not that special or unlike other politicians.
I have been doing over the years is to push back against this notion that dude is some pure political revolutionary. Hell he only got "woke" in like 2015. 
His net favorability among the group most likely to support him, moderate dems, fell by 30 points
He about to edit a video to act like him and Beezy used to hoop togetherAbout to get hit with more Obama ads now
Man really think's he's a king
The Republicans don’t careHe's also self-snitching on abusing the classification authority to benefit his re-election campaign.
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He doesn’t have to fake it if they don’t care.
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So, yes, I was right on him admitting that taxes would go up but you added a bunch of extra words. Good job.
Really all you needed to say here
Rust, I think we can agree that Bernie is a democrat. But it's disingenuous to paint him as someone who pretends to be an outsider while actually being firmly woven into the fabric that is the democratic party. That's an observation that doesn't line up with reality, he's clearly different enough no matter how you feel about him to insight fear or trepidation in the more "moderate" portion of the party which makes up the majority of democrats. That's not something Hillary or Biden could hope to do based on policy.
I would jab back, but I will let you have this one my dude.
Still, I don't see the contradiction. He is talking about Benrie being a career politician, part of the establishment, that is what makes him similar to others. Then dude said his policy positions on some issue might be different, but that doesn't change the fact he is establishment, a career politician, an insider. So I think my reading comprehension is just fine, but I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. @superblytrife was my summary of your argument on the mark, or is dude right that my reading comprehension needs improvement?
Centrist in the same time period Bernie has been in office, in the Democratic Party, have had some wild policy position that are out of step with the majority of the party, and you Bernie dudes still would consider them establishment.
Also some issues Bernie has been out of step on with the majority of the party, he has been to the right of the party.
Really all you needed to say here
Most of your points have been "yes, but". Why would I continue arguing the same point with a little more concession on your part each time?
Your *** can't address the points being made so you want to be flippant.
My point is, you don't get to be the longest serving independent in congress by firmly being apart of the establishment. Sure, you could say that he likes the dems when it works for him but really your proving my point there
What is this, I thought me reading comprehension was off.
Dude people are conceding his brand of politics is different, that he had different views on positions, they are just saying his whole me vs. them schtick is disingenuous when his *** been part of that same establishment for decades. The same year the Dems were trying to get Bernie into the Senate, they were trying to strong amr Joe Libermann out of the Senate for being too conservative. Bernie rocks with the Democratic Establishment hard, when it serves him.
I understand it is just politics to get on, that's all we are calling out.
I don't see what issue you have.
That's because it is one, at least for me. You quote a lot of the articles that go into how the sausage is made but has never really mattered in policy for the rich, the logistics never seem to come up or matter much at all when more funding can be obtained for the never-ending warmachine. We've landed foreign bodies on other planets plenty of times but universal healthcare is somehow a gargantuan task
The thought of even discussing the logistics is insulting to the people that actually need it and is really highlights the divide between actually leftists and liberals.
