***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

We’ll see if Bernie Sanders has the heart to make it to the end champ. You Bernie Sanders supporters want to LOSE with grace and class.

Dude miss me with this

So I am a Bernie supporter now, that's rich. I have been very critical of dude because I don't buy many of the arguments his supporters make for him. Critiques you often reference in your own ranting about dude.

All you do is make these ridiculous petty arguments against candidates, then when you get called out, you run back to the "electability" argument for safety.

You did it with Harris, you are doing it with Sanders.

 

[moe200069]

Ninja so thirsty to talk politics he treating the Bernie thread like his own personal blog. Every page is like 15 of his post broken up with one from Timid here and there

**** is so sad

i meandered in there and it really is ninja giving a soapbox soliloquy about how da dems are ****** if bern gets the nomination

 

[Belgium]

 

[moe200069]

I'm just shocked at how woefully unprepared Bloomberg looked last night in spite of all the money spent and the fact that all of these attacks were easily telegraphed.

Like he knew he was going to be attacked on stop-and-frisk and all the sexual harassment lawsuits yet he still looked completely stunned blinded by them bumbling and stuttering

He would've probably been better off skipping the debate and just banking on his shock and awe media strategy,he got absolutely manhandled

epitome of getting caught with your pants down. Debate-wise he’s not ready for the bright lights yet against seasoned folks like warren, bernie, and even biden. Imma need aepps20 to provide an analysis on the quality of warren’s haymakers and bloomberg’s weak attempt at bobbing and weaving

Living in the bay area, CA i’m starting to see a lot of bloomberg ads on TV yet none of them actually tell us what sort of platform he’s running on. Is this man just the 2020 democrat version of ross perot?

 

[sonoftony]

Stone get 40 months in jail

 

[Belgium]

I noticed the strange discrepancy going on at the sentencing hearing too but here's a better analysis of it. Crabb has largely disregarded the new sentencing memorandum after Barr intervened. Look specifically at the bottom 2 excerpts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...raise-even-more-questions-about-william-barr/
Strange scenes at Roger Stone’s sentencing raise even more questions about William Barr

 

[Based Jesus]

 

[Belgium]

Stone get 40 months in jail

I expected between 4-5 years based on her relatively light Manafort sentence so I wasn't far off. We'll see how Trump reacts.

 

[-Red-]

Decisions decisions.........that’s a tough one champ. Might have to be a game time decision. Do I get the choice of a write-in candidate??......LOL.

Deuce, in all seriousness, whatever hangup you have over Sanders is enough for you to consider abstaining on Election Day if he were the Democratic candidate? Are you serious?

I don't like Joe Biden—his political history is extremely problematic to put things mildly, his current politics are mostly warmed over centrist garbage, his desire to fight on behalf of working people is decidedly suspect, and he can hardly string together two coherent sentences—but I would happily vote for him over Trump.

The main two issues you've taken with Bernie in here are (1) you think he can't beat Trump, and (2) black people don't like him. But the actual available evidence contradicts both of those claims. And if Bernie is the nominee and you actually care about beating Trump, we're only left with the second statement, which, again, is a ******** narrative that you've created in your own mind for reasons that appear unintelligible. For the record, Bernie is currently polling at 28% with black primary voters, putting him "second with black voters, within the margin of error, to Biden."

So what, exactly, is your issue, then?

 

[aepps20]

epitome of getting caught with your pants down. Debate-wise he’s not ready for the bright lights yet against seasoned folks like warren, bernie, and even biden. Imma need aepps20 to provide an analysis on the quality of warren’s haymakers and bloomberg’s weak attempt at bobbing and weaving

Living in the bay area, CA i’m starting to see a lot of bloomberg ads on TV yet none of them actually tell us what sort of platform he’s running on. Is this man just the 2020 democrat version of ross perot?

Classic example of a hungry fighter that's been in the ring with Elite fighters against an overrated bum that fought Scrubs. Lizzy unloaded ELITE level combinations, she fought well off of the back foot and used ELITE level footwork to get her shots off. Goonberg didn't properly train for the fight he was slow, lethargic some would say dead and it showed.

 

[sonoftony]

I expected between 4-5 years based on her relatively light Manafort sentence so I wasn't far off. We'll see how Trump reacts.

if Stone wasn't White and rich, he'd get triple that time

 

[IATT]

 

[RustyShackleford]

I love how Bernie turned to check to see if Mike was still alive after getting hit with that first headshot.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

I don't like Joe Biden—his political history is extremely problematic to put things mildly, his current politics are mostly warmed over centrist garbage, his desire to fight on behalf of working people is decidedly suspect, and he can hardly string together two coherent sentences—but I would happily vote for him over Trump.

This is a sad state of affairs. Some great choices we have to pick from

 

[IATT]

So much for small government and states individual rights

 

[Christian Pulisic]

 

[AEA18]

Trump's New Rule Favors Pollution Over US Waterways

"Trump's years of dogged attacks on the Clean Water Rule have finally succeeded, and big ag and fossil fuel industries are rejoicing."

 

[-Red-]

This is a sad state of affairs. Some great choices we have to pick from

It would, indeed, be a sad state of affairs if Biden were to win the nomination. And an even sadder state of affairs if Bloomberg won it.

Luckily, I don't think either of them are going to win, and there are actually a couple of good choices among the Democratic candidates.

 

[Belgium]

Judge Jackson’s previous sentences in Mueller cases suggested she was always very unlikely to impose a 7-9 year guideline sentence for Stone.

So Barr intervened for what exactly? The DOJ attorney who signed the revised sentencing memo spent most of the hearing arguing against the revision.

Clearly he didn’t actually write it, and he refused to say who did.

 

[storm2006]

I was at the Fox News HQ earlier and it was brazy because of how the debate went last night. Wish I could see it now. Going to CNN and MSNBC later this afternoon. I think Dems are more are less fine with how the debates went and Stone got off light but is still facing time so I’m sure the atmosphere will be different there.

 

[elpablo21]

I expect a Stone pardon before the end of the year

 

[rexanglorum]

So much for small government and states individual rights

I'm sure that he means that he'll send in the Feds to build new public housing units in Los Angeles, impose rent control, increase zoning density, impose a vacancy tax and shift resources from law enforcement to healthcare and social workers.

 

[-Red-]

Beyond being a big political gamble, I just disagree with the fracking ban right now for economic reasons.

Yes fracking and natural gas need to go away eventually (sooner rather than later), but we kinda need it in the interim for energy production because battery tech is not there yet. People are gonna flip out if there is a price shock, and hell it might even push us back toward coal.

Furthermore, his stance on nuclear is asinine and cowardly, but most Dems hold the same position. Can't really knock him for being par for the course.

And if his is gonna put people out of work like that, he needs to have a robust bailout plan for them, and push that too.

I like that he is principled, but it worries me how he seems to not give much thought to the unintended consequences of this actions.

I thought he included a discussion about replacing those jobs with clean energy jobs as part of the Green New Deal? He definitely talked about that in the debate at some point. I agree we can't be flippant about that.

I hear what you're saying here, but here's my thing. Most politicians are going to respond to these kinds of issues by saying something like, "We all know [whatever topic] is a major issue. It affects our communities in [whatever] deleterious ways. It's especially bad for [insert groups], because it affects them in [these ways]. So we have to change course. That's why my plan is designed to phase us out of [whatever the bad thing is] by 2035, by [whatever the incremental plan is]. We can't just abruptly put a stop to [whatever this destructive thing is], we have to be smart about making a transition that's going to work well for everyone."

Now, whatever plan they articulate may make a lot of sense. It may be reasonable and rational. But it's so vague and long-term that it dilutes the entire conversation and destroys whatever momentum may exist for addressing an issue. These folks are basically playing both sides of the fence—they can articulate their understanding of how bad the issue is and lay out a thoughtful plan to address it, but avoid having to actually fight for and implement that plan because their plan is based on "pragmatism" and "working for everyone" which will make it impossible to actually carry out to fruition.

I'm tired of hearing about some vague, long-term, "pragmatic" plan that's ultimately going to fail because it's enactment is predicated on the long-term cooperation of people with opposing interests. That's not pragmatism at the end of the day—particularly since we know whose interests are going to triumph in these scenarios—it's cynical and defeatist.

To be clear, I'm not at all attacking you here or saying you are promoting this approach. I'm critiquing what I see as the status quo of political common sense that mostly serves to destroy people's hopes that we can actually transform the world for the better in any meaningful way and also shields political actors from any accountability for actually fighting for their stated program.

 

[boris]

So much for small government and states individual rights

It’s interesting to see conservatives **** on SF all the time. I would think that SF would be their ideal scenario: a world in which the rich succeed and the poor get tossed to the streets.

 

[-Red-]

I was at the Fox News HQ earlier and it was brazy because of how the debate went last night. Wish I could see it now. Going to CNN and MSNBC later this afternoon. I think Dems are more are less fine with how the debates went and Stone got off light but is still facing time so I’m sure the atmosphere will be different there.

If you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?