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Dueterte is an extreme example of why people turn to far right loons. They get desperate and think an authoratatize president can rid them of their major problem without doing major damage elsewhere.

And of course, we can always vote him out.

That is a horrible excuse to endulge in bigotry. It never works out like that.

I live in the Philippines. Pretty much this. He developed an insanely strong cult-like with all of his tough talk and regular guy image and then moreso after initially saying he wouldn't run for president and he would stay as a city mayor, and then surprise surprise changing his mind last minute after massive public outcry.

The sad part here is that people are desperate AND lazy. We want the major changes and quick fixes and massive overhaul cleansing of government but can't be bothered to look in the mirror and start it off. You got people voting in anti-corruption T-1000 over here, but they the same people running red lights or counter-flowing to beat traffic and then paying off the cops when they get pulled over :{

I'm waiting for the day when the ish hits the fan and Duterte hits the panic button, bam Martial Law 2
 
If minority turnout is high, Trump is done.

But that not unique to Trump, it is usually the case that if minority turnout is high, the GOP is usually screwed (in most cases). That is true of overall turnout as well.
 
@dansenor:
It's disorienting to have had commiserated w/someone re: Trump - about how he was unacceptable, & then to see that someone become Trump's VP

Welcome to Politics :lol :{
 
@AP: BREAKING: Military jets flying over Turkish capital Ankara; military vehicles blocking bridges in Istanbul, reports say.

Damn, from what's been described, is a coup underway??

It wouldn't be the worst thing at all for Erdogan to get out of power though as long as they don't end up like Egypt...
 
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I just got a news alert that the people in the military that responsible for this are claiming they took power.

This sounds like a straight up coup. Wow
 
Holy ****. Was not expecting anything like this, I thought Erdogan had that whole country on lock. Wonder where this will end...
 
Tanks in the streets,all major airports have been shut down, yea this is a textbook military coup...

Holy ****. Was not expecting anything like this, I thought Erdogan had that whole country on lock. Wonder where this will end...

Naa dude had been playing with fire for so long he was bound to get burned,especially after he was in the process of amending of the constitution to give himself more power.

I'm happy for Turkey in that sense but we all know coups never end up going as nicely as expected/planned. You usually end up having an even worse strongman come in to power :{. Hopefully The military reins it in and calls for elections soon before things escalate even more.
 
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I know what he was up to, that's why I'm surprised a faction actually went through with a coup. Wonder who's supporting this military group 8o Maybe I've been watching too much TV and movies :lol
 
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I read that the gov't and military are separate entities within the same country. Pretty interesting, but I don't fully understand it.
 
This is some pretty good news for the Kurds in Turkey :lol
 
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Apparently there's military intervention/coup every 10 years


Military involvement in politics

Since Mustafa Kemal Atatürk founded the modern secular Republic of Turkey in 1923, the Turkish military has perceived itself as the guardian of Atatürkçülük, the official state ideology. The TAF still maintains an important degree of influence over Turkish politics and the decision making process regarding issues related to Turkish national security, albeit decreased in the past decades, via the National Security Council.

The military has had a record of intervening in politics. Indeed, it assumed power for several periods in the latter half of the 20th century. It executed coups d'état in 1960, in 1971, and in 1980. Most recently, it maneuvered the removal of an Islamic-oriented prime minister, Necmettin Erbakan, in 1997.[4]

On 27 April 2007, in advance of 4 November 2007 presidential election, and in reaction to the politics of Abdullah Gül, who has a past record of involvement in Islamist political movements and banned Islamist parties such as the Welfare Party, the army issued a statement of its interests. It said that the army is a party to "arguments" regarding secularism; that Islamism ran counter to the secular nature of the Turkish Republic, and to the legacy of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. The Army's statement ended with a clear warning that the Turkish Armed Forces stood ready to intervene if the secular nature of the Turkish Constitution is compromised, stating that "the Turkish Armed Forces maintain their sound determination to carry out their duties stemming from laws to protect the unchangeable characteristics of the Republic of Turkey. Their loyalty to this determination is absolute."[5]

Contrary to outsider expectations, the Turkish populace is not uniformly averse to coups; many welcome the ejection of governments they perceive as unconstitutional.[6][7] Members of the military must also comply with the traditions of secularism, according to the US Commission on International Religious Freedom report in 2008, members who performed prayers or had wives who wore the headscarf, have been charged with “lack of discipline”.[8]

Paradoxically, the military has both been an important force in Turkey's continuous Westernization but at the same time also represents an obstacle for Turkey's desire to join the EU. At the same time, the military enjoys a high degree of popular legitimacy, with continuous opinion polls suggesting that the military is the state institution that the Turkish people trust the most.[9]

Over a hundred people, including several generals, have been detained or questioned since July 2008 with respect to Ergenekon, an alleged clandestine, ultra-nationalist[10] organization with ties to members of the country's military and security forces.[11] The group is accused of terrorism in Turkey.[12] [13]

On 22 February 2010 more than 40 officers arrested and then were formally charged with attempting to overthrow the government with respect to alleged "Sledgehammer" plot . They include four admirals, a general and two colonels, some of them retired, including former commanders of the Turkish navy and air force (three days later, the former commanders of the navy and air force were released).[14]

On 15 July 2016, elements of the Turkish military initiated a coup against the government led by President Recep Erdoğan. Military forces have been confirmed in Ankara and Istanbul with jets and tanks deployed to the streets. Additionally, two bridges over the Bosporus Strait have been closed[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Turkey#Military_involvement_in_politics
 
Erdogan just did a press conference, dude was on face time and someone was just holding the phone in front the camera :rollin :rollin

Ole boy was talking about making people pay :lol. He acting like dudes that get washed, then go home, and talk mess about the next time he see you. Like it over for you b

Better yet, word is he is seeking refuge in Germany. Merkel should laugh in his face, and demand an apology first.
 
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Erdogan just did a press conference, dude was on face time and someone was just holding the phone in front the camera
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Ole boy was talking about making people pay
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. He acting like dudes that get washed, then go home, and talk mess about the next time he see you. Like it over for you b

Better yet, word is he is seeking refuge in Germany. Merkel should laugh in his face, and demand an apology first.
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Tbh he's had it coming for a long time. Especially how he treats the Kurds 
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We'll have to see how this new government will be but it can't really get much worse than Erdogan I imagine
 
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This is the same gov that went to extremes to stop protestors, now asking its citizens to flood the streets in the middle of a military coup. :rolleyes
 
Yea I don't think most Turks will be sympathetic to his cause :lol,I can only imagine the feeling of being abroad and finding out all of a sudden that you've been exiled and usurped back home :rollin
 
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@NesrineMalik: Ex president Abdullah Gul now on FaceTime as well saying coup won't succeed as 'Turkey is not an African country'. Oh boy.

Thinking this clown needs a little history lesson...
 
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Maybe I have a simplistic understanding of Turkey but the country's secularism has always been protected by the military. It is something established by Atatürk and remarkably has remained respected by generations of Turks afterward.

There is continuous pressure from the ******* Islamists in the country to establish a more religious government. **** them.
 
This is one of the few times the news media got too much to report on :lol

I was trying to get more info on the France truck attack just to see I was way behind on this Turkish coup.
 
what's funny to me is no one gives a **** right now about trump's VP pick. he thought he would be dominating the news all weekend. **** him.
 
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