***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[MVP]

So the government should let firms pick their tax rate, is that what you're saying?

What if they say zero?

It literally makes no sense man.

 

[ninjahood]

How low would he have to push them though?

Its called you ask them what would it take to keep manufacturing here. This is why we have a chamber of commerce.

So the government should let firms pick their tax rate, is that what you're saying?

What if they say zero?

If da jobs stay and its Zero i rather 0 than 35% and da jobs go away.

Cuz once da jobs go away, those people either have to to leave their towns,or go on da welfare rolls whoch cost da taxpayer even more.

And that's DOOMSDAY scenario.. Cuz none of them would pick Zero when all da loopholes are closed... U put it at 10%-15% and Place tarrifs on overseas made goods and or tax breaks for made on da USA goods & watch all these companies running back fast.

 

[AEA18]

Trump would LOWER taxes so they wouldn't wanna leave in da 1st place... Nice try

So Drumpf lowers taxes for them and they agree to bring manufacturing back to the U.S.?

These greedy business owners don't want to pay more taxes but would be okay with losing money bringing manufacturing back to the U.S.?

Will Drump bring all of his manufacturing back to the U.S.?

 

[ninjahood]

How would they lose money if you're releasing da burden of high taxes which made them leave on da 1st place..you're literally talking in circles now

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

arent companies about profit maximizing?  at what point will it be more profitable to for companies to start manufacturing state side?

How would they lose money if you're releasing da burden of high taxes which made them leave on da 1st place..you're literally talking in circles now

is there going to be some kind of structure to this plan? like is there going to be some kind of affirmative action/quota for jobs? is tump going to say "we'll give you this tax rate but you have to employ X amount of people for X amount of hours bi weekly"? or are the taxcuts going to be done in hopes of profit maximizing companies decide to bring jobs back to the US? serious questions

 

[MVP]

You're assuming lowering the taxes and even closing the loopholes will still make it cheaper to make their goods here, thereby making them all come back. There's no guarantee at all that happens. At the end of the day it's still advantageous for a lot of those companies to make their products overseas because of the dirt cheap wages the workers have to be paid.

 

[rillo561]

is there going to be some kind of structure to this plan? like is there going to be some kind of affirmative action/quota for jobs? is tump going to say "we'll give you this tax rate but you have to employ X amount of people for X amount of hours bi weekly"? or are the taxcuts going to be done in hopes of profit maximizing companies decide to bring jobs back to the US? serious questions

Nobody knows,the only think we've been assured of, is that drumpf makes "good deals".

 

[RustyShackleford]

How would they lose money if you're releasing da burden of high taxes which made them leave on da 1st place..you're literally talking in circles now

Taxes are part of the picture, and much bigger part is cheap labor. The US can compete in capital cost, but will never be able to with labor cost. Unless you want to cut payroll taxes taxes for firms, and make people accept lower wages.

Just look at the factories that have comeback: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-never-coming-back/ They factories don't look like the ones from decades ago, or factories overseas. They are capital intensive and much more automated.

Saying are trade deals have not been great is one thing, saying lower corporate taxes somewhat is a good idea is another, but these shouldn't be an excuse to institute bad policies. Let large corporations pick their tax rate is one of them.

I hope I hear you never mention the national debt or deficit again. Because all this stuff you're suggesting is just gonna explode both.

 

[ninjahood]

You're assuming lowering the taxes and even closing the loopholes will still make it cheaper to make their goods here, thereby making them all come back.

Its called negotiate terms that would make it worth their while to stay & apply tarrifis to companies who make overseas and bring their products in.

You put American interests ahead of global interests.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Nobody knows,the only think we've been assured of, is that drumpf makes "good deals".

as someone who works as an engineer in manufacturing, weve got maybe 5 people on the manufacturing floor that collect a salary and have been working at the company for years, the rest are essentially drones we get through a temp agency. most of what we do is mostly automated once set up though. one things for sure, companies arent going to take a step back from automation.

 

[ninjahood]

How would they lose money if you're releasing da burden of high taxes which made them leave on da 1st place..you're literally talking in circles now

Taxes are part of the picture, and much bigger part is cheap labor. The US can compete in capital cost, but will never be able to with labor cost. Unless you want to cut payroll taxes taxes for firms, and make people accept lower wages.

Just look at the factories that have comeback: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-never-coming-back/ They factories don't look like the ones from decades ago, or factories overseas. They are capital intensive and much more automated.

Saying are trade deals have not been great is one thing, saying lower corporate taxes somewhat is a good idea is another, but these shouldn't be an excuse to institute bad policies. Let large corporations pick their tax rate is one of them.

I hope I hear you never mention the national debt or deficit again. Because all this stuff you're suggesting is just gonna explode both.

Da debt is a entitlement problem, da lack of energy exploration, and decade plus war which will b paired back and Trump wants to take a mercenaries approach... Want protection? Pay us or shut up.

 

[AEA18]

How would they lose money if you're releasing da burden of high taxes which made them leave on da 1st place..you're literally talking in circles now

Taxes are part of the picture, and much bigger part is cheap labor. The US can compete in capital cost, but will never be able to with labor cost. Unless you want to cut payroll taxes taxes for firms, and make people accept lower wages.

Just look at the factories that have comeback: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-never-coming-back/ They factories don';t look like the ones from decades ago, or factories overseas. They are capital intensive and much more automated.

Saying are trade deals have not been great is one thing, but that shouldn't be an excuse to institute bad policies

He can't really believe business owners like Drumpf move their manufacturing overseas mainly because of high taxes.

I thought it was common knowledge that business owners like Drumpf manufacture outside of the U.S. because of the extremely low labor cost.

It's called Low-cost country sourcing (LCCS)

LCCS -procurement strategy in which a company sources materials from countries with lower labor and production costs in order to cut operating expenses.

 

[RustyShackleford]

You're assuming lowering the taxes and even closing the loopholes will still make it cheaper to make their goods here, thereby making them all come back.

Its called negotiate terms that would make it worth their while to stay & apply tarrifis to companies who make overseas and bring their products in.

You put American interests ahead of global interests.

I'm not disagreeing with the point of putting America interest first, there is some truth in this comment.

But, you do realize that this will cause prices to increase right?

If we are going to have a honest discussion about free trade, let's keep it all the way #1HUNNA. Firms will just pass on the cost of the tariffs to its customers

 

[MVP]

Its called negotiate terms that would make it worth their while to stay & apply tarrifis to companies who make overseas and bring their products in.

You put American interests ahead of global interests.

Why did you cut out the part about labor costs, because that above all is the real issue, not the taxes.

 

[RustyShackleford]

How would they lose money if you're releasing da burden of high taxes which made them leave on da 1st place..you're literally talking in circles now

Taxes are part of the picture, and much bigger part is cheap labor. The US can compete in capital cost, but will never be able to with labor cost. Unless you want to cut payroll taxes taxes for firms, and make people accept lower wages.

Just look at the factories that have comeback: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-never-coming-back/ They factories don't look like the ones from decades ago, or factories overseas. They are capital intensive and much more automated.

Saying are trade deals have not been great is one thing, saying lower corporate taxes somewhat is a good idea is another, but these shouldn't be an excuse to institute bad policies. Let large corporations pick their tax rate is one of them.

I hope I hear you never mention the national debt or deficit again. Because all this stuff you're suggesting is just gonna explode both.

Da debt is a entitlement problem, da lack of energy exploration, and decade plus war which will b paired back and Trump wants to take a mercenaries approach... Want protection? Pay us or shut up.

-Bush's supply side focused tax cuts costed America way more than his wars

-And say Word!!!!!! So Drumpf is planning to charge Israel for protection?

All the Netanyahu *** kissing he been doing lately would have had me fooled...........................Waits for deflection by bringing up Clinton

 

[gry60]

You're assuming lowering the taxes and even closing the loopholes will still make it cheaper to make their goods here, thereby making them all come back.

Its called negotiate terms that would make it worth their while to stay & apply tarrifis to companies who make overseas and bring their products in.

You put American interests ahead of global interests.

I'm not disagreeing with the point of putting America interest first, there is some truth in this comment.

But, you do realize that this will cause prices to increase right?

If we are going to have a honest discussion about free trade, let's keep it all the way #1HUNNA. Firms will just pass on the cost of the tariffs to its customers

Yep.

- High wages
- Low prices
- Local manufacturing

Pick 2 out of 3.

 

[whywesteppin]

taxes a) lower the evil national debt and b) allow America's biggest employer to hire more people = more jobs.

taxes good! end of story.

 

[dathbgboy]

You're assuming lowering the taxes and even closing the loopholes will still make it cheaper to make their goods here, thereby making them all come back.

Its called negotiate terms that would make it worth their while to stay & apply tarrifis to companies who make overseas and bring their products in.

You put American interests ahead of global interests.

I'm not disagreeing with the point of putting America interest first, there is some truth in this comment.

But, you do realize that this will cause prices to increase right?

If we are going to have a honest discussion about free trade, let's keep it all the way #1HUNNA. Firms will just pass on the cost of the tariffs to its customers

Would you be imposed to an embargo to show the companies they aint playin Rusty? I don't think people will die w/o iPhones and what not. You can expect them to raise prices but if they put an embargo stopping the sale in the states for the country using that loophole to dodge corporate taxes, they'll be hurting and would think twice about jacking up the price once it's lifted. Obviously it'd be extremely risky but if done right, could be great for the country; we are like top 3 consumers for most of these companies.

 

[RustyShackleford]

-And embargo is a horrible idea imo, it is a nuclear option. Not just electronics like Iphones are made overseas. Toothbrushes, clothes, shoes, machine parts, prescription drugs, etc.

And in the short term, and supply shock like that to consumer goods will probably cause a recession.

And the market dictate prices. If a company will charge what it can at the time, you can't have a constant gun to their head like that.

-Free trade has many benefits. Hell even domestically Americans benefit from having free trade between states.

The problem is that we don't have good trade deals, they are about increasing trade to lift all boast, but rather about helping corporations get higher profits first and foremost.

And we don't subsidize the "loser" of trade deals. A minority pay the price for the many (or corporation) to benefit.

I'm open to new tariffs, and lower taxes (with conditions), but not an embargo.

 

[ninjahood]

You're assuming lowering the taxes and even closing the loopholes will still make it cheaper to make their goods here, thereby making them all come back.

Its called negotiate terms that would make it worth their while to stay & apply tarrifis to companies who make overseas and bring their products in.

You put American interests ahead of global interests.

I'm not disagreeing with the point of putting America interest first, there is some truth in this comment.

But, you do realize that this will cause prices to increase right?

I got NO problem paying higher for **** made in America... Coppin jerseys and fitteds for years have informed me made in da USA is good as gold.

And you're helping da economy vs not...i make it a POINT to shop local w/ my Dominican Establishments for this reason alone.

 

[ninjahood]

And we don't subsidize the "loser" of trade deals.

This is one way China beats da USA in Trade, many of da products we ship overseas not only is placed with ADDED tarriffs, and low quota #'s in terms of how many we can ship out, da products they make is not only subsidized by their government, when its sold on American shores, American Governments DON'T place a tarrif on da products coming in, and American companies on da losing end of da competition w/ trade get ZERO help from da government on terms of subsidies because that would be "picking winners and losers".

Look what happened to da Steel industry, hell look what's happening to Tires... Da Chinese are KILLING tire manufacturers cuz they can dump dirt cheap rubber thats subsidized by da Chinese Government & kill off American makers.

 

[dathbgboy]

-And embargo is a horrible idea imo, it is a nuclear option. Not just electronics like Iphones are made overseas. Toothbrushes, clothes, shoes, machine parts, prescription drugs, etc.

And in the short term, and supply shock like that to consumer goods will probably cause a recession.

And the market dictate prices. If a company will charge what it can at the time, you can't have a constant gun to their head like that.

-Free trade has many benefits. Hell even domestically Americans benefit from having free trade between states.

The problem is that we don't have good trade deals, they are about increasing trade to lift all boast, but rather about helping corporations get higher profits first and foremost.

And we don't subsidize the "loser" of trade deals. A minority pay the price for the many (or corporation) to benefit.

I'm open to new tariffs, and lower taxes (with conditions), but not an embargo.

I'm aware that it's a "last resort" type of option but I'm asking the idea that desperate times call for desperate measures. Closing the tax loop holes is priority #1 and then entertain the tax rate. It's almost like we have to do something drastic as to stop things from going to complete **** white things are being worked out.

Idk man, **** is just a damn shame all around. People are living longer, people are working longer, and the younger work force can't work and won't be able to gain the skills until their 30 at this rate. Gotta bring the jobs back.

 

[whywesteppin]

why do we have to adapt the market to people. why can't the people adapt to the market.

i just don't get how people who live-and-die by the concept of a free market also want to give everyone jobs. maybe in the best most productive market only 30% of people work full time.

this isn't aimed at you, dathbgboy, by the way. just my off-the-cuff rambling on what i think is a flawed premise, especially when it's put forth by republicans, especially given their ideologies on other issues.

looking at it realistically... food and manufacturing and energy are so damn cheap these days. we don't face the same limits that our ancestors did. we don't need a dozen people working a farm to feed a family. we can probably have 1 guy with a few good machines feeding a small village by himself. service industry too will be revolutionized since now i can ask google 99% of what i need. i don't need to call someone or visit a library or ask a useless department store clerk what shoe is in style.

what jobs do we actually need? the ones that don't require skill or don't have good profit margins or can be mass-produced in a way that means the labor can't be paid well, to hell with those jobs. let the chinese produce them.

 

[RustyShackleford]

why do we have to adapt the market to people. why can't the people adapt to the market.

i just don't get how people who live-and-die by the concept of a free market also want to give everyone jobs. maybe in the best most productive market only 30% of people work full time.

this isn't aimed at you, dathbgboy, by the way. just my off-the-cuff rambling on what i think is a flawed premise, especially when it's put forth by republicans, especially given their ideologies on other issues.

looking at it realistically... food and manufacturing and energy are so damn cheap these days. we don't face the same limits that our ancestors did. we don't need a dozen people working a farm to feed a family. we can probably have 1 guy with a few good machines feeding a small village by himself. service industry too will be revolutionized since now i can ask google 99% of what i need. i don't need to call someone or visit a library or ask a useless department store clerk what shoe is in style.

what jobs do we actually need? the ones that don't require skill or don't have good profit margins or can be mass-produced in a way that means the labor can't be paid well, to hell with those jobs. let the chinese produce them.

Then I hope you support a basic livable wage, because your plan sounds it will cause massive poverty

The economy will get washed if you let your tax and consumer base erode like that.

Just saying

 

[jpzx]

Hilary building that email server was dumb and unnecessary.



But the hyperventilating, investigations, and hearings it's lead to seem to me to be pretty obviously partisan.




The emails scandal is a political problem not a legal one. imo