***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[kdawg]

Abolish ICE...it's only been around 15 years

Yep, and these right wingers think that Washington himself gave them their powers.

 

[blastercombo]

The USA is just as bad as WW2 Germany.

 

[blastercombo]

Yep, and these right wingers think that Jesus himself gave them their powers.

Fixed

 

[blastercombo]

the thought of my son being separated from me at 1 year old is chilling.

Would have to kill me

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

She ain't lying...

 

[MalcolmNewton]

Same government that shut down Backpage so grown women can't earn some pocket change, it makes so much sense now/s.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

 

[chao7]

These people in twitter threads that are saying these immigrants deserved to have their toddlers confiscated and lost because "they broke the law" are genuinely vile and borderline sociopathic.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

 

[IATT]

John cusack, yes the actor, is having a roasting reporter Maggie haberman on twitter because of her inability to call trump a liar

 

[IATT]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette

 

[IATT]

 

[Nike Jordan]

Megan McArdle is doof.

 

[gry60]

Is it genocide if the hurricane does it (kill 1000s of Spanish speaking US passport holders)?

 

[MalcolmNewton]

 

[IATT]

 

[Belgium]

John cusack, yes the actor, is having a roasting reporter Maggie haberman on twitter because of her inability to call trump a liar

Sounds like petty arguing about semantics to me. I think part of it is to reduce the threat of libel lawsuits etc. as calling something a lie implies intent. Just because it's always "falsely claims" or "incorrectly states" etc. doesn't mean it's not a lie. Frankly I don't really understand why people are so bothered about that, can't they just form their own judgement? It doesn't take a genius to figure out whether Trump is lying or not.

 

[IATT]

Sounds like petty arguing about semantics to me. I think part of it is to reduce the threat of libel lawsuits etc. as calling something a lie implies intent. Just because it's always "falsely claims" or "incorrectly states" etc. doesn't mean it's not a lie. Frankly I don't really understand why people are so bothered about that, can't they just form their own judgement? It doesn't take a genius to figure out whether Trump is lying or not.

My problem with reporters and other unwillingness to call it for what it is, is the whole bending over backwards and benefit that wouldn't be given elsewhere

All of a sudden now they want to appreciate these nuances between calling someone a liar and all these other roundabout terms

 

[gry60]

My problem with reporters and other unwillingness to call it for what it is, is the whole bending over backwards and benefit that wouldn't be given elsewhere

All of a sudden now they want to appreciate these nuances between calling someone a liar and all these other roundabout terms

That's because journalists and the press know they are dealing with someone who doesn't respect the norms nor does he respect the role of the press, but they also feel the need to uphold those norms in an effort to show that they can stay above the BS.

Newsflash: the media is already in the mud. Time to fight at the level of Trump instead of acting gentlemanly.

 

[kdawg]

My problem with reporters and other unwillingness to call it for what it is, is the whole bending over backwards and benefit that wouldn't be given elsewhere

All of a sudden now they want to appreciate these nuances between calling someone a liar and all these other roundabout terms

Yeah, I’m with that - I said it months ago where someone started using “falsehoods” (probably someone at the WH for obvious reasons) - which is a stupid term. They’re clearly lies and he needs to be called out for that, not some stupid euphemism.

 

[blastercombo]

To my understanding a reporter can be banned from returning if they “step out of line” with their questions.

 

[IATT]

To my understanding a reporter can be banned from returning if they “step out of line” with their questions.

Which is basically the real reason all these so called reporters are tiptoeing around certain words

They're scared to lose access.. and because of the shh show that this presidency is, people won't care for longer than a day IF that


Hell, look at the news outlets that basically got banned from this and it's already out of the news:
https://apnews.com/d799f4e096cc42cf99ae01b02d1e0688

Shhhhhhh people already stopped talking about the school shooting in texas

 

[Belgium]

If I'm ever a subject in a criminal investigation and they want to interview me, let me try to demand confidential information about their ongoing investigation or else I'll refuse. I'm sure that would go well for me.
If a subject in a drug investigation comes to the authorities to demand documents about informants used in the ongoing investigation in exchange for not refusing to do an interview they'd subpoena him up on the spot.

The "perjury trap" excuse is such nonsense too. Perjury requires proof of intent that the defendant lied knowingly or wilfully. It's not like you have to be 100% correct and accurate in every answer to avoid a perjury charge, you just need to avoid deliberate lying.
https://apnews.com/e18f6e1775e343b5...needs-informant-info-before-Mueller-interview
Lawyer: Trump needs informant info before Mueller interview

President Donald Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani says the president wants details on the classified information shared with lawmakers about the FBI investigation into Russian election meddling before deciding on an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller.

Rudy Giuliani says on “Fox News Sunday” that “if they don’t show us these documents, we’re just going to have to say no.”

Giuliani wants information on the use of a government informant who approached members of Trump’s campaign in a possible bid to glean intelligence on Russian efforts to sway the presidential election. Trump has made unproven claims of FBI misconduct and political bias and has denounced the informant as “a spy.”

Giuliani says that Trump wants the interview but that he personally can’t recommend it “if this is a trap for perjury.”

 

[Mark Antony]

Sounds like petty arguing about semantics to me. I think part of it is to reduce the threat of libel lawsuits etc. as calling something a lie implies intent. Just because it's always "falsely claims" or "incorrectly states" etc. doesn't mean it's not a lie. Frankly I don't really understand why people are so bothered about that, can't they just form their own judgement? It doesn't take a genius to figure out whether Trump is lying or not.

If you follow through with the links though she easily says lie in the Hillary related story.