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BTW, imma need osh kosh bosh osh kosh bosh to climb out the maple tower an come gets his fellow Canadian Jordan Peterson, aka Store Brand Charles Murray.

Dude is a clown. He can't even defend the nonsense he spews. And I would like his *** out my country.

I never realized how lucrative preying on young white boys with daddy issues is.

If anything I'm salty...I should have got on this hustle. :lol:


As far as I'm concerned Jordan Petersen is a white hotep.
 
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I was checking up on an email address I had received as part of a trade a while ago and apparently the Trump MAGA Committee sent this out a few days ago :lol:
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Papa Drumpf ain't mind no grammatical mistakes. He speaks from da heart and all business! Because there is NO COLLUSION believe me and Comey is McCabe, McCabe is Comey.

ANYWAY, was out-and-about yesterday I PULLED UP at da local Mickey Ds and it seems like my COMRADE CUTLASS SUPREME XL receives daily sustenance from da BIGLY sponsor. Da GOOOD BURGER :pimp:
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I was reading the Nytimes and thought you all would like this

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

That one-sidedness has always been at the heart of President Trump’s relationship with his longtime lawyer and fixer, Michael D. Cohen, who has said he would “take a bullet” for Mr. Trump. For years Mr. Trump treated Mr. Cohen poorly, with gratuitous insults, dismissive statements and, at least twice, threats of being fired, according to interviews with a half-dozen people familiar with their relationship.

“Donald goes out of his way to treat him like garbage,” said Roger J. Stone Jr., Mr. Trump’s informal and longest-serving political adviser, who, along with Mr. Cohen, was one of five people originally surrounding the president when he was considering a presidential campaign before 2016.

Now, for the first time, the traffic may be going Mr. Cohen’s way. Mr. Trump’s lawyers and advisers have become resigned to the strong possibility that Mr. Cohen, who has a wife and two children and faces the prospect of devastating legal fees, if not criminal charges, could end up cooperating with federal officials who are investigating him for activity that could relate, at least in part, to work he did for Mr. Trump.

Imagine the man your treated like Garbage for years is the one you would have to depend on to keep you and your family out of jail by ruining his life and family.

We all know how this is gonna play out unless he gets whacked
 
https://www.motherjones.com/politic...-years/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Different story, same topic:

Rural Trump voters have second thoughts about opposing immigration after ICE raids their town

rawstory.com
Apr 20, 2018 9:44 AM
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Donald Trump speaks at Nevada rally (MSNBC)


Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) recently conducted a large-scale workplace raid in Bean Station, Tennessee, a rural community that overwhelmingly voted for President Donald Trump in 2016.

However, many community members who backed Trump nonetheless found themselves disturbed at the way that ICE had gone about rounding up immigrant families — and now they’re rethinking their past hard-line stance on immigration.

In a lengthy report published by The New Yorker, some local residents say that raids such as the one in their community go against their deeply held Christian values.

“I’m a Christian; God loves everybody equally,” 50-year-old Hank Smith told the publication. “And I never had a problem with anyone being here… immigration didn’t really affect me before. But then this raid happened.”

Pastor David Williams, who leads the local Hillcrest Baptist Church, says he’s seen people in his congregation change their minds about the best way to deal with undocumented immigrants.

“You cannot be a true Christian if you ignore your neighbor in need,” he told the New Yorker. “The people in the middle have had their hearts soften because of the raid.”

As the New Yorker documents, the raid on immigrant workers was particularly traumatic for many people in the nearby town of Morristown, Tennessee, where “more than five hundred students were reported absent from area schools” the day after the raid.

Deborah, a 44-year-old Trump voter, said that while she has conflicting views on immigration, she didn’t hesitate to help out her community members who were affected by the ICE raid.

“I never understood all the technicalities of what it takes to become a legalized resident,” she told the New Yorker. “How can I judge what I don’t understand?”
 
Lol thread on the 3rd page when the DON finesses NK, doing what ALL Americans have wanted for decades and Obeezy couldn't do in 8 years with his soft *** foreign policy #MAGA
 
Lol thread on the 3rd page when the DON finesses NK, doing what ALL Americans have wanted for decades and Obeezy couldn't do in 8 years with his soft *** foreign policy #MAGA

Thoughts on Trump skipping the former 1st lady's funeral to play golf?
 
I never realized how lucrative preying on young white boys with daddy issues is.

If anything I'm salty...I should have got on this hustle. :lol:


As far as I'm concerned Jordan Petersen is a white hotep.
I could deal with him being the white Tariq Nasheed type hotep, but his economic and sociological views are so asinine and poisonous they get to me.

Him telling sawft young white dudes to get themselves together and peddling diet red pill nonsense is one thing.

However, he equates leftist trying to solve systemic injustice and inequality with a clown like David Duke that claims racial superiority.
 
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Lol thread on the 3rd page when the DON finesses NK, doing what ALL Americans have wanted for decades and Obeezy couldn't do in 8 years with his soft *** foreign policy #MAGA
I'm guessing you don't read much. Great progress? Yes. Positive outlook? Yes. Victory? Not yet.


It was posted, I did. It's great progress as I mentioned and things are looking better and better on that front but there's still a long way to go.
Kim Jong Un still needs to meet with the South Korean president and Trump himself if that ends up going through.
North Korea has also stated that it will stop missile tests and closed down a test site (which was already damaged by the minor earthquake they caused) because their weapons including nukes are operational and thus no longer need to test them. I don't believe that to be true but it shows Kim is still holding back. Celebration would be rather premature given that the west wants denuclearization and there is nothing in North Korea's statement that says he has committed to that (yet). What it does signal is that Kim is making a play to negotiate which is great news in itself.

Isn't what Americans have wanted for decades the denuclearization of North Korea? Well besides John Bolton who just wants to bomb them with a pre-emptive strike. Correct me if I am wrong there but I think making a play to negotiate falls a bit short of that.

Obama's foreign policy was lackluster imo and there are some glaring flaws I take issue with (Libya, drone war expansion) but he did however block Iran's nuclear program under strict regulations. It's not a permanent solution nor the most ideal but a solution nonetheless. At least until 2025. They were developing nukes, then they were forced to stop and they have adhered to the Iran nuclear deal so far. You can't always get the perfect solution, especially given the circumstances and the immense pressure from the GOP and Israel.


You want to talk about foreign policy but have you discussed the crippling of the State Department under the Trump administration? Also known as America's greatest source of soft power.
In Trump's first year he nominated 37% less senior official nominations and 31% less US ambassadors than Obama's first year for example.
Tillerson sanctioned 30% budget cuts that further weakened the State Department's position and lowered morale.
High profile career diplomats have also left the agency in significant numbers and the department is riddled with vacancies with no nominees to fill them. By the end of 2017 there wasn't even a US ambassador for South Korea. In March 2018 there still wasn't and the State Dept.'s top North Korea diplomat left the agency in January. I'm not sure if a US ambassador for South Korea has been confirmed yet by this point but I would hope so.

Even Mike Pompeo, Trump's current nominee, has acknowledged the low morale, the deep budget cuts and the amount of senior level vacancies in the department in his opening statement before Congress.
Would you like to explain how crippling the US' soft power and diplomacy around the world helps make America great again? Guess which nation has drastically stepped up its influence campaign across the world in the wake of the US' soft power decline? China.
When a global superpower lets its soft power influence slip, common sense dictates that another will step in to fill the void. Soft power happens to be one of the greatest tools a nation has to expand its influence and more importantly to maintain it.

While you're busy prematurely celebrating North Korea stepping to the negotiation table, the Don has been getting finessed by China (and Russia) on the world stage since Tillerson's appointment.
 
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Lol thread on the 3rd page when the DON finesses NK, doing what ALL Americans have wanted for decades and Obeezy couldn't do in 8 years with his soft *** foreign policy #MAGA
What did NK really give up? We've been here before. Keep playing checkers.
 
And another one to toss on Pruitt's ocean of controversy, misconduct and corruption. I briefly browsed the number of separate reports on misconduct, law violations, controversy, ... at the EPA that I posted in this thread and found roughly 16. That's not including reports such as John Kelly trying to oust him etc, I also didn't account for multiple reports in one post.
Bloomberg updated their article from April 20th with new information.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...wn-amid-fallout-over-pruitt-condo-controversy
EPA Chief Pruitt Met With Lobbyist Tied to Condo Rental
  • New disclosure shows Hart’s firm lobbied agency for Smithfield
  • Hart was asked to come along to meeting with EPA’s chief
The lobbyist whose wife rented a bedroom in a Capitol Hill condo to EPAAdministrator Scott Pruitt met with him in July along with the director of the charitable arm of Smithfield Foods Inc., a pork processing company that was regulated by the agency.
Revelations that J. Steven Hart was present at a meeting with Pruitt in an official capacity at least once in 2017 -- and a lobbying contact with the Environmental Protection Agency this year -- coincided with his departure on Friday as chairman of the law and lobbying firm Williams & Jensen. Hart has said he didn’t lobby the EPA this year or last.



Williams & Jensen said in an emailed statement that Hart “informed the firm of his decision to resign” on Friday. “We are grateful to Steve for his 35 years of service and we wish him and his family well in all of their future endeavors,” the lobbying firm said. Hart’s biography page has been removed from the firm’s website.



“Considering the last couple of weeks, I think it is easier on my family and the firm to expedite my departure,” Hart told colleagues in an email viewed by Bloomberg News.



It’s the latest sign that fallout from Pruitt’s condo controversy is continuing to spread -- even if it hasn’t led so far to serious repercussions for the EPA chief, who was backed by President Donald Trump on Twitter earlier this month.

Fundraising Events
On Thursday, a watchdog group filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission alleging that a campaign committee for Senator Mike Crapo, an Idaho Republican, improperly used the same condo to host political fundraising events, without paying its owner to use the space. And earlier this month, the District of Columbia cited the condo’s co-owner, Vicki Hart, for operating a rental without the required license.

Read More: Lobbyist Tied to Pruitt’s Condo Had Clients Facing EPA

Pruitt has come under fire for renting one of the two bedrooms in the unit, a few blocks from the U.S. Capitol, under unusually favorable terms allowing him to pay $50 per day to lease the space -- but only on the nights he stayed there.

In all, Pruitt paid $6,100 to use the room for roughly six months last year, according to canceled checks with irregular dates, sometimes coming six weeks apart. Pruitt was required to leave his bedroom door unlocked and was barred from using common areas, which continued to be a venue for dinner parties and meetings during his stay.

Smithfield Foods
The controversy drew in Steven Hart, too, drawing attention to his clients with business before the EPA. Hart said he didn’t personally lobby the EPA in 2017 or this year, and Pruitt said in a Fox News Channel appearance this month that his landlady’s husband had no clients with business before the agency. The newly filed disclosure appears to contradict that claim; several of Hart’s corporate clients also had matters pending before the agency.

That includes pork processor Smithfield, a subsidiary of WH Group Ltd., China’s largest meat producer. A lobbying disclosure filed by Williams & Jensen on Friday showed that Hart had some lobbying contact with the EPA on behalf of the company during the first quarter of this year. The form doesn’t specify the type or extent of the contact -- just that it involved “issues relating to support for EPA Chesapeake Bay programs.”

Virginia-based Smithfield was fined $12.6 million for dumping hog waste into Chesapeake Bay in 1997, in what was then the largest water pollution fine ever. The EPA works with federal and state agencies and non-government programs to coordinate restoration of the Chesapeake Bay, a major estuary to the North Atlantic Ocean, and has set pollution limits to keep too much nitrogen, phosphorus and other materials from running off into the bay.

“An independent review of the firm’s lobbying activity in advance of the quarterly filing deadline concluded that Mr. Hart had lobbying contact with the Environmental Protection Agency in the first quarter of 2018,” Williams & Jensen said in an emailed statement. “The firm has filed the requisite disclosure forms required by law accordingly.”

In an emailed statement, Smithfield said the lobbying wasn’t undertaken “at the direction or on behalf” of the company. Instead, Smithfield said, it was at the request of Dennis Treacy, a former Smithfield executive and current board member of the Smithfield Foundation -- the company’s nonprofit philanthropic arm -- in his personal capacity.

Chesapeake Bay
Hart said Saturday that he’d never lobbied for Smithfield Foods.

“I assisted a friend who served on the Chesapeake Bay Commission, and this is inaccurately being tied to Smithfield Foods,” Hart said in an emailed statement, referring to Treacy, who’s a member of the commission. “I was not paid for this assistance, and any suggestion that I lobbied for Smithfield Foods is inaccurate."

Emails viewed by Bloomberg News show that Hart made plans to meet with Pruitt at least once in 2017, joining Treacy for an introductory meeting with the administrator.

Treacy -- a former chief sustainability officer at Smithfield -- reached out to the EPA last spring and requested a meeting with Pruitt, citing his new role on the commission, the emails show. Treacy described himself as having recently retired and mentioned “a focused and unique view of environmental protection.”

Tagging Along
The day before the July 11 meeting -- which took place while Pruitt was still renting from Hart’s wife -- the lobbyist emailed Pruitt’s chief of staff to say Treacy had asked him to come along. “He is a good guy and can be trusted,” Hart said in the email. “He is coming in as the business rep on the Chesapeake Bay Foundation -- another of your controversies.”

Representatives of the EPA didn’t immediately provide a comment.

Hart said he began transitioning to honorary chairman of Williams & Jensen after giving up his chief executive officer title two years ago, was planning to retire from the firm in November, and had begun negotiating a severance agreement earlier this year.

Hart told his colleagues he was looking forward to developing an independent legal practice and doing some strategic business counseling for a few clients.


Edit: Another one from today actually. Pruitt purchased a retiring lobbyist's home in 2003 through a shell company registered to a business partner who now holds a top political position at the EPA. The purchase price was $100k lower than what the owner paid for it a year prior to the sale. The property was later sold by the shell company for $95k more than what it originally paid. Pruitt was one of five investors in the shell company. However there was no mention of the shell company or the transactions and profits in Pruitt's financial disclosures in Oklahoma. Real estate records also did not list Pruitt's involvement.
An EPA spokeswoman confirmed Pruitt's role as one of the five investors in the shell company and added that these business arrangements were ethical and a simple real estate investment.
There's a lot more in the article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/us/politics/scott-pruitt-oklahoma-epa.html
Scott Pruitt Before the E.P.A.: Fancy Homes, a Shell Company and Friends With Money
 
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