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I was checking up on an email address I had received as part of a trade a while ago and apparently the Trump MAGA Committee sent this out a few days ago :lol:
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dreamer23 said:


well damn...
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Pompeo could still win confirmation on the Senate floor, as Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) has announced her support and other centrist Democrats may also back him.

But with Paul and other panel Democrats opposed to him, he will be unable to be reported out of the Foreign Relations panel with a favorable report unless something changes.
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Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) could try to move Pompeo’s nomination to the floor with an unfavorable recommendation.

Democrats on the committee have yet to tip their hand about if they will allow Pompeo’s nomination to move to the floor with an unfavorable recommendation or if they will try to kill his prospects in the committee.

If they don’t help move him to the floor, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) could try to discharge Pompeo’s nomination from committee, which could ultimately require 60 votes.
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What's with the source though? Never heard of 'Splinter News'. I'd rather hold off on some additional confirmation
 
Things are looking better and better on the NK situation, hopefully Kim doesn't reverse course.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.052332d5fa2f
North Korean leader suspends nuclear and missile tests, shuts down test site
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has declared he will suspend nuclear and missile tests starting Saturday, and that he will shut down the site where the previous six nuclear tests were conducted.

“From April 21, North Korea will stop nuclear tests and launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles,” the Korean Central News Agency said in a report Saturday morning.

This came out of a meeting of the central committee of the ruling Worker’s Party of Korea held Friday to discuss policy issues related to “a new stage” in a “historic” period.

“The North will shut down a nuclear test site in the country’s northern side to prove the vow to suspend nuclear test,” KCNA reported.

This comes less than a week before Kim is due to meet with South Korean president Moon Jae-in in the first inter-Korean summit in 11 years. Moon has said that Kim is willing to discuss denuclearization and that he will not insist on American troops being withdrawn from South Korea as part of any deal.
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I'm going to be very pissed if Trump is given credit for NKorea and their future decisions regarding denuclearization, if they follow through. People have been saying for years that their nuclear program is nothing more than a bargaining chip they'd willingly discard if it meant trading for real world power, strong economic support, and a seat at the big boy table. Trump gonna take all the credit even though the writings been on the walls for years.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...976a82b05a2_story.html?utm_term=.4106c2a50fe7
Sessions told White House that Rosenstein’s firing could prompt his departure, too
Attorney General Jeff Sessions recently told the White House he might have to leave his job if President Trump fired his deputy, Rod J. Rosenstein, who oversees the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to people familiar with the exchange.

Sessions made his position known in a phone call to White House counsel Donald McGahn last weekend, as Trump’s fury at Rosenstein peaked after the deputy attorney general approved the FBI’s raid April 9 on the president’s personal attorney Michael Cohen.

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Sessions’s message to the White House, which has not previously been reported, underscores the political firestorm that Trump would invite should he attempt to remove the deputy attorney general. While Trump also has railed against Sessions at times, the protest resignation of an attorney general — which would be likely to incite other departures within the administration — would create a moment of profound crisis for the White House.

In the phone call with McGahn, Sessions wanted details of a meeting Trump and Rosenstein held at the White House on April 12, according to a person with knowledge of the call. Sessions expressed relief to learn that their meeting was largely cordial. Sessions said he would have had to consider leaving as the attorney general had Trump ousted Rosenstein, this person said.

Another person familiar with the exchange said Sessions did not intend to threaten the White House but rather wanted to convey the untenable position that Rosenstein’s firing would put him in.

A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment.

Rosenstein’s status remains uncertain, but the pressure he is facing seemed to subside after last week.

Last summer, when it appeared Trump was going to fire Sessions or pressure him to resign, Republican lawmakers and conservative advocacy groups rallied to Sessions’s side and warned the president not to move against him.

Trump had told senior officials last week that he was considering firing Rosenstein, who was confirmed by the Senate with overwhelming bipartisan support last year. Since then, alumni of the Justice Department have rallied to Rosenstein’s defense.

As of Friday afternoon, more than 800 former Justice Department employees had signed an open letter calling on Congress to “swiftly and forcefully respond to protect the founding principles of our Republic and the rule of law” if Trump were to fire the deputy attorney general, special counsel Robert S. Mueller III or other senior Justice Department officials. The group MoveOn.org has sought to organize nationwide protests if such an event were to occur.

Rosenstein, on behalf of the Justice Department, is set to argue a sentencing case, Chavez-Meza v. United States, before the Supreme Court on Monday. Appearing before the high court has long been a professional goal, people close to Rosenstein say.

A senior administration official said Sessions does not like the way Rosenstein has been treated by the president and had expressed such concerns for months. He has regularly sought guidance from the White House about Rosenstein’s standing with the president and asked about his interactions with Trump, this official said.

But Sessions has had little ability to do anything about it, given his own shaky standing with Trump for recusing himself from the Russia investigation, this official said. Trump has, at times, referred to Sessions as “Mr. Magoo” and Rosenstein as “Mr. Peepers,” a character from a 1950s sitcom, according to people with whom the president has spoken.

The relationship between Sessions and Rosenstein — and their staffs — has been strained at times over the first year of the Trump administration. But people familiar with Sessions’s thinking say that he has said several times that he would find it difficult to remain as attorney general if Trump fired for no good reason the veteran prosecutor in Baltimore that Sessions chose to be his deputy. The two men, along with Solicitor General Noel Francisco, were spotted in February dining together at a restaurant near the Justice Department, generating some speculation that they were attempting a display of solidarity.

Rosenstein, the Justice Department’s No. 2 official, is tasked with running the day-to-day operations of the sprawling agency of 113,000 employees who work for the FBI; the Drug Enforcement Administration; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Bureau of Prisons; U.S. attorneys offices; and Main Justice, the agency’s headquarters. But from the time he was confirmed in May of last year, the investigation into possible coordination during the 2016 presidential campaign between Trump associates and agents of the Russian government has overshadowed everything he has done.

James M. Trusty, a partner at Ifrah Law and a friend of Rosenstein’s, said the deputy attorney general “went into the job with a pretty fatalistic view,” but he “probably didn’t know it was going to be this much of a storm.”

“I remember him joking at his going-away party that nine months was the average tenure for the deputy attorney general,” Trusty said.

A wall of photographs outside Rosenstein’s fourth-floor office at the Justice Department illustrates the high-stress and political nature of the deputy attorney general’s position. President Barack Obama’s first deputy attorney general, David Ogden, stepped down from the job after less than a year. One of President Bill Clinton’s deputy attorneys general, Philip B. Heymann, lasted 10 months.

Trusty, who said he had spoken with Rosenstein about three weeks ago, said Rosenstein had kept his views on the situation largely private and had not sought surrogates or anyone else to press his case.

“I think he tends to view things in a very long-range way, kind of a this-too-shall-pass philosophy about the slings and arrows that will come at you,” Trusty said.

A month after Rosenstein became deputy attorney general, he was criticized for his role in the firing of FBI Director James B. Comey. Rosenstein authored a critical memo lambasting Comey for his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation, and the White House later used the document as a pretext to remove the FBI director. After a few days, though, Trump said he was thinking about the Russia investigation when he fired Comey. Comey has said in recent days he believed Rosenstein “acted dishonorably” and could not be trusted.

At that point, Rosenstein was overseeing the Russia investigation because Sessions had recused himself. On May 17, about a week after the Comey firing, Rosenstein announced that he had appointed Mueller as special counsel to conduct the Russia investigation.

Rosenstein took the action without first consulting Sessions and notified him when he was at the White House meeting with Trump. The decision took Trump by surprise and greatly angered him.

A person close to the White House and the Justice Department said Sessions has “vacillated, I think, from being concerned about the deputy leaving or being fired and recognizing that Rosenstein has not been a friend of either him or the department.”

During the past year, Rosenstein has been involved in several policy issues in the Justice Department, as well as complex prosecutions involving cybercrimes and the first charges against Chinese-based fentanyl manufacturers and distributors.

But Russia continues to consume his days. This week, two of Trump’s top legislative allies and leading members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus met with Rosenstein and pressed him for more documents about the conduct of law enforcement officials involved in the Russia probe. They warned him that he could face impeachment proceedings or an effort to hold him in contempt of Congress if he did not satisfy Republican demands for more documents.
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noskey said:
I'm going to be very pissed if Trump is given credit for NKorea and their future decisions regarding denuclearization, if they follow through. People have been saying for years that their nuclear program is nothing more than a bargaining chip they'd willingly discard if it meant trading for real world power, strong economic support, and a seat at the big boy table. Trump gonna take all the credit even though the writings been on the walls for years.
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you already know that it'll be said that trump's tough stance scared them into backing down, doing what no other president could do.
no matter what though, i can't wish that it falls apart. less nukes in the hands of a nut will be fine no matter who takes credit :frown:
 
The latest development in the federal probe of Michael Cohen. Keith Davidson was Stormy's former lawyer and negotiated Stormy's NDA with Cohen. Davidson also represented former Playboy model Karen McDougal in the negotiation of her NDA with the National Enquirer's parent company AMI. McDougal's lawsuit against AMI to get out of her deal reached a settlement earlier this week and she has been released from her contract.

Davidson is now cooperating with the federal criminal probe of Michael Cohen. Additionally CNN has reported that some of Cohen's seized material included recorded phone conversations between Cohen and Davidson. Keith Davidson's spokesman said Cohen was not permitted to record those phone calls and that "Davidson will pursue all his legal rights under the law."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa707c9e0054
Stormy Daniels’s former lawyer said to be cooperating with federal probe of Michael Cohen
Keith Davidson, the former attorney for two women who were paid to keep quiet about their alleged affairs with Donald Trump, has been contacted by federal authorities investigating Trump attorney Michael Cohen and is cooperating with them, a spokesman for Davidson confirmed.
Davidson was asked to provide “certain limited electronic information” for the probe led by prosecutors in the Southern District of New York, spokesman Dave Wedge said. “He has done so and will continue to cooperate to the fullest extent possible under the law,” Wedge said in a statement Friday.

Shortly before the 2016 election, Davidson negotiated a confidentiality agreement with Cohen under which porn star Stormy Daniels was paid $130,000.

Davidson also represented Karen McDougal, a Playboy centerfold, in the $150,000 agreement she struck in August 2016 with the National Enquirer’s parent company, American Media Inc., for the rights to her story. AMI never published the story.

Both Daniels and McDougal have filed lawsuits to get out of their non-disclosure agreements. Earlier this week, McDougal settled with AMI— whose chief executive, David Pecker, is a friend of Trump — and is no longer bound by her contract with the tabloid publisher.

FBI agents raided Cohen’s Manhattan office last week, as well as his home and a hotel room. According to people with knowledge of the case, he is under federal investigation for bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance violations. The inquiry includes payments to women whose stories about Trump could have damaged his presidential campaign.

Stephen Ryan, an attorney for Cohen, has called the raid “inappropriate and unnecessary,” saying Cohen has “cooperated completely with all government entities.” Trump called the raid a “disgraceful situation” and an “attack on our country.”

According to CNN, the records seized from Cohen included tapes that he recorded of conversations with Davidson. Wedge said that the lawyer never consented to any recordings of his conversations with Cohen and that if such tapes exist, “Davidson will pursue all his legal rights under the law.”

Davidson has hired Miami attorney Michael D. Padula, who specializes in white-collar crime.
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Bernie is in the South speaking with black community leaders and citizens about racial and economic justice for African Americans.

And Cory Booker is pushing a bill to test a federal jobs guarantee.

Two takaways:

A) They are both running

B) This is why open debate matters on the left. It makes imperfect candidates and politicans aware of their blindspots and how they can better serve their base.
 
RustyShackleford said:
BTW, imma need @osh kosh bosh to climb out the maple tower an come gets his fellow Canadian Jordan Peterson, aka Store Brand Charles Murray.

Dude is a clown. He can't even defend the nonsense he spews. And I would like his *** out my country.
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I've thought of Jordan Peterson as a white supremacist, red pill dispensing counterpart of a Tariq Elite.

His formula is useful advice (if you clean your room you'll feel better about yourself and can take on bigger obstacles in your life/You'll have more sex with women if you are confident). Then you get the racism/misogyny/homophobia/transphobia or misogyny/homophobia/transphobia, in Tariq'd case. Finally, they tell wayward young men to withdraw from civic engagement and instead buy 12 Rules for Life/Hidden Colors.


I can totally see the off brand Charles Murray comparison. You got Charles Murray out their pushing his racism with amazing levels of nuance and sophistication, a true clinic of how to lie with statistics. Meanwhile you got JBP like "golly, Lobsters have serotonin, humans have serotonin. Humans should eat other humans just like Lobsters."
 


(I suggest you guys just watch the first four or five minutes)


What's so obnoxious about Peterson and Maher is that they are acting like they are Prometheus, bringing light to the World in the face of implacable opposition. These guys just want to make old, worn out jokes about trans people and gay people.

If a really important truth has to be articulated then people being offended will be the collateral damage (and if powerful people get offended then it's really more of a bonus). Whenever people complain about political correctness, I challenge them to name the truths that they would say but for fear of social and professional censure and in more every case, they are unable to answer or too ashamed to tell me.

Now I do think that speaker cancellations should not happen at University Campuses, let the nutjobs and the racists have their stage. Those incidences are rare though and it should be noted that conservatives should be okay with it since the University is based on a consumer model now. Elite schools (and not so elite schools) are 20-70 grand a year country clubs and if the club members (the students) don't want a speaker at their country Club, they should not be obligated to have them. Either a University (even private ones) are public trusts, which should have any and all voices, or they are businesses that serve their customers. Conservatives cannot have it both ways.

Finally, the best way to have a wide variety of views on College Campuses is to hire more professors and bring back tenure track as the norm. The biggest threat to the University as marketplace of ideas is to move away from the neoliberal consumer centric model that we have now.
 
RustyShackleford said:
Bernie is in the South speaking with black community leaders and citizens about racial and economic justice for African Americans.

And Cory Booker is pushing a bill to test a federal jobs guarantee.

Two takaways:

A) They are both running

B) This is why open debate matters on the left. It makes imperfect candidates and politicans aware of their blindspots and how they can better serve their base.
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METH
 
rexanglorum said:


(I suggest you guys just watch the first four or five minutes)


What's so obnoxious about Peterson and Maher is that they are acting like they are Prometheus, bringing light to the World in the face of implacable opposition. These guys just want to make old, worn out jokes about trans people and gay people.

If a really important truth has to be articulated then people being offended will be the collateral damage (and if powerful people get offended then it's really more of a bonus). Whenever people complain about political correctness, I challenge them to name the truths that they would say but for fear of social and professional censure and in more every case, they are unable to answer or too ashamed to tell me.

Now I do think that speaker cancellations should not happen at University Campuses, let the nutjobs and the racists have their stage. Those incidences are rare though and it should be noted that conservatives should be okay with it since the University is based on a consumer model now. Elite schools (and not so elite schools) are 20-70 grand a year country clubs and if the club members (the students) don't want a speaker at their country Club, they should not be obligated to have them. Either a University (even private ones) are public trusts, which should have any and all voices, or they are businesses that serve their customers. Conservatives cannot have it both ways.

Finally, the best way to have a wide variety of views on College Campuses is to hire more professors and bring back tenure track as the norm. The biggest threat to the University as marketplace of ideas is to move away from the neoliberal consumer centric model that we have now.
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I made it all the way through, however, I was in constant fear that Maher's and Petterson's conversation would turn into a literal circlejerk. Maher is so giddy that someone is agreeing with him, he doesn't check Peterson's clear far-right talking points. On overtime, one of the other guests pointed out a clear hypocrisy with Peterson's shtick though. That he claims the left is so preoccupied with "getting politically correct", yet he believes the left is too mean to Trump supporters. A hypocrisy Peterson shares with many on the right.

Your point on universities is great. I also noticed it conservatives hypocrisy when it comes to corporations too. Conservatives for decades fought for corporations to be treated as people, that they can violate the rights of citizens because the corporation has some religious view. However, let a corporation decide they no longer want to give a conservatives show ad revenue, let corporations "choose" (another right-wing favorite) not to support conservatives buffoonery and watch how upset the right gets. "It is a Marxist Attack", "It is suppressing my free speech", "it is not fair"
 
RustyShackleford said:
On overtime, one of the other guests pointed out a clear hypocrisy with Peterson's shtick though. That he claims the left is so preoccupied with "getting politically correct", yet he believes the left is too mean to Trump supporters. A hypocrisy Peterson shares with many on the right.
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Sounds like a certain somebody that got da boot from this thread.

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It took me a while to realize, that Jordan Peterson was the reason, why a few dumbasses I knew all of a sudden started talking about postmodernism.
 
Trump is asking Middle Eastern governments to build a military force to replace US troops in northeast Syria, and notorious war profiteer Erik Prince has been asked for help. Medea Benjamin says the plan is scandalous.
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rexanglorum said:


(I suggest you guys just watch the first four or five minutes)


What's so obnoxious about Peterson and Maher is that they are acting like they are Prometheus, bringing light to the World in the face of implacable opposition. These guys just want to make old, worn out jokes about trans people and gay people.

If a really important truth has to be articulated then people being offended will be the collateral damage (and if powerful people get offended then it's really more of a bonus). Whenever people complain about political correctness, I challenge them to name the truths that they would say but for fear of social and professional censure and in more every case, they are unable to answer or too ashamed to tell me.

Now I do think that speaker cancellations should not happen at University Campuses, let the nutjobs and the racists have their stage. Those incidences are rare though and it should be noted that conservatives should be okay with it since the University is based on a consumer model now. Elite schools (and not so elite schools) are 20-70 grand a year country clubs and if the club members (the students) don't want a speaker at their country Club, they should not be obligated to have them. Either a University (even private ones) are public trusts, which should have any and all voices, or they are businesses that serve their customers. Conservatives cannot have it both ways.

Finally, the best way to have a wide variety of views on College Campuses is to hire more professors and bring back tenure track as the norm. The biggest threat to the University as marketplace of ideas is to move away from the neoliberal consumer centric model that we have now.
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my #hottake on the complaint(s) about political correctness is it isn’t so much about truth, but about the way(s) people are confronted and/or penalized for their opinions (whether right, partially right, wrong in part, or just plain wrong), people do want to make their worn jokes or be able to have their opinions about the world without the criticism (some comedians -and some people for that matter- see themselves as provacatuers, of which some actually have thought deeply about what these choose to joke about as something of a discussion, others solely concern themselves with being provocative and aren’t concerned with the discourse at all)...and given that there are more ways for people to share their opinions publicly, however (un)informed, there are more opportunities to call out and be called out to be confronted and confront the opinions of others, with varying levels of knowledge & nuance...

i really think much of the friction is because there are a lot of things we believe off rip without really investigating why or really having thought about why...sure, many have more command of the talking points but i’m not sure most of us really consider the implications of these beliefs, especially when most around us hold similar beliefs...i don’t know if college campuses are the problem or solution...
 
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