***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[elpablo21]

 

I pray that @truefactsstated has a shred of credibility

Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch
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Further to @TrueFactsStated report on CNN, my own sources confirm that CNN has transcripts of Kushner and Bannon; WaPo has better evidence

Curious to know how true that is.

Didnt realize how insane Mensch was until recently. 

But if it's true..

 

 

 

[gry60]

 

 
 

That's still so crazy. These people have no idea what anything they get so riled up about stands for. Kaep can't get a job because they're pandering to cocksuckers like this.

 

https://twitter.com/darren_mills/with_replies


one of the users that didn't understand NPR tweeting the constitution


people started doing donations in his name and he got even more upset lol

 

Its crazy they saw NPR tweeting and assumed it was some liberal call to arms didnt even recognize the Declaration of Independence 

 

When you have an American flag next to your name but call the declaration of independence trash 

 

It doesn't help that for far too many people, understanding of politics doesn't go beyond the meme level.

And they're the people who will tell you how much of history they know.

And be the ones to tell you they the real patriots.

While having a confederate flag on their truck, house and clothes

Don't forget the entire family tree hailing from a place three hours south of the Canadian border.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[Mark Antony]

Contrarian post to state the obvious coming soon.

 

[aepps20]

Don't forget the entire family tree hailing from a place three hours south of the Canadian border.

True Southern Patriots Fam

 

[whywesteppin]

[QUOTE url="[URL]https://t.co/xC8ORMrblz[/URL]"]
What's Going On Here? pic.twitter.com/xC8ORMrblz
— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 4, 2017

[/quote]

It's only going to get worse.

The more pressure he gets, the faster the decline will be.

Seems like the higher-ups in the military are aware, so we should be ok.

Best thing for his family would be to get him to retire and spend his time golfing. The presidency is going to destroy whatever health he has left.

 

[frink85]

B-b-b-but he's the the healthiest president ever!

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

It's only going to get worse.

The more pressure he gets, the faster the decline will be.

Seems like the higher-ups in the military are aware, so we should be ok.

Best thing for his family would be to get him to retire and spend his time golfing. The presidency is going to destroy whatever health he has left.

Explain. Someone in the military hinted that he's going senile?

 

[deleted]

I pray that @truefactsstated has a shred of credibility

He does

But he can still be wrong

 

[RIP sleazyy]

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/691354


Who Pays for Government? Descriptive Representation and Exploitative Revenue Sources

We examine US city governments’ use of fines and court fees for local revenue, a policy that disproportionately affects black voters, and the connections between this policy and black representation. Using data on over 9,000 cities, we show that the use of fines as revenue is common and that it is robustly related to the share of city residents who are black. We also find that black representation on city councils diminishes the connection between black population and fines revenue. Our findings speak to the potential of descriptive representation to alleviate biases in city policy.

 

[whywesteppin]

It's only going to get worse.

The more pressure he gets, the faster the decline will be.

Seems like the higher-ups in the military are aware, so we should be ok.

Best thing for his family would be to get him to retire and spend his time golfing. The presidency is going to destroy whatever health he has left.

Explain. Someone in the military hinted that he's going senile?

I should have been more specific or at least less strong with my statement. There were the stories about classified information being withheld from trump, and there was also some sources saying that the military was ready to not carry out his orders. I can't find the source now, and it may have just been a tweet from someone like J3st3r.

I speculated on the link to dementia or going senile. I think it's more than they're worried about ties to Russia and any erratic behavior.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

I swear I've been calling out dementia since the debates.

He's so out of touch with reality, I'm shocked this hasn't got any real steam yet.

 

[deleted]

Looks like he tried to sneak away from the presidency

 

[Belgium]

I'm no doctor, nor is Trump my patient, but based on his behavior I do find the potential for mental problems to be a serious concern. When you look at interviews from 10 years or even just 5 years ago it's very different from the incoherent rambling we're hearing now. Stress can have a significant effect on short term memory as I notice with my mom at times but easily forgetting some things is far from the only thing that's happening. If I was a close family member I would strongly suggest a psychiatric evaluation.

Problem is that's probably the last thing Trump would want.

 

[aepps20]

Barson is TREATING DAPPER DON for being too DAPPER. Hard to have coherent thoughts when you're that HANDSOME in your youth fam. Nothing Covfefe won't fix.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[Belgium]

Da coal stove is bringing the sweet smell of coal to my senses, da Putin musket is keeping da libbie terrorists at bay and now it looks like the lord has given me another sign I need to get out of this libbie hellhole. 

While doing some more house cleaning in my dad's house I came across this

That's Lincoln b, and who does Dapper Don represent? Da party of Lincoln b

It feels like the glorious state of Kansas is just waiting for me to move in 

 

[gry60]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...publicans-want-hidden/?utm_term=.82e4904ee47e

With the Republican campaign to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act now set to enter its final, frenzied push, the Indianapolis Star reports that the Indiana GOP attempted a stunt that was supposed to provide Republicans with more ammunition against the law. But the stunt went awry:

The Indiana Republican Party posed a question to Facebook on Monday: “What’s your Obamacare horror story? Let us know.”

The responses were unexpected.

“My sister finally has access to affordable quality care and treatment for her diabetes.”

“My father’s small business was able to insure its employees for the first time ever. #thanksObama”

“Love Obamacare!”

“The only horror in the story is that Republicans might take it away.”…

By 8:30 a.m. Tuesday, the Indiana GOP’s post collected more than 1,500 comments, the vast majority in support of Obamacare.

As David Nather points out, this reveals that the energy in this battle right now is on the side of those who want to save the Affordable Care Act. But, while the rate of pro-ACA postings should obviously not be taken as a scientific indicator of public opinion, this episode also neatly captures another larger truth about why it is proving so hard for Republicans to repeal the law: It has helped untold numbers of people, and the GOP bill would largely reverse that.

 

[whywesteppin]

^ that penny is worth 60 cents B. think of how much health care that could buy you https://coinvalues.com/wheat-pennies/1914

I'm no doctor, nor is Trump my patient, but based on his behavior I do find the potential for mental problems to be a serious concern. When you look at interviews from 10 years or even just 5 years ago it's very different from the incoherent rambling we're hearing now. Stress can have a significant effect on short term memory as I notice with my mom at times but easily forgetting some things is far from the only thing that's happening. If I was a close family member I would strongly suggest a psychiatric evaluation.
Problem is that's probably the last thing Trump would want.

My best attempt at an amateur assessment: trump would be fine in a regular job in his current state. He may have some signs of cognitive decline, but not enough that he can't blend in to most social situations and carry out some useful work.

But da proof is in da pudding, as they say. As your mind starts to go, the first thing you do is to cover it up as best you can. That's when you drop the details in conversation and instead make generic blanket statements (which coincidentally helps you fit in as a politician). You resort to the same phrases over and over. You say a lot without any substance. You say contradictory things because really there's no underlying logic to what you said. It's all about the sound of it all and not the actual content.

Historians may look back and reinterpret the trump phenomenon. He didn't purposefully dumb down his language and resort to catch phrases out of some cunning political strategy. He was just descending into old age but with a giant ego and a gullible audience.

So he would do fine in a regular setting. He would be able to blend in and get his work done, at least to the satisfaction of a boss who's not too careful, at least for a couple more years. But in this highly stressful job as president, it's kind of amazing that he's able to hold it all together. I really think the depth of the deficit is being covered up by the innate human ability to compensate.

It would be really interesting to see an analysis of his speech over the last 5 to 10 years. There should be a measurable decrease in his vocabulary and sentence complexity. Also, how much of this decline is normal aging vs. actual dementia is unclear.

relevant article: https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-speaking-style-interviews/

 

[Belgium]

 
President Trump arrived here late Wednesday in a country where the ruling Law and Justice Party  has called for Poland to “rise from its knees” — a phrase that carries echoes of Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan. The populist, nationalist government has also spurned calls for European nations to welcome in Muslim asylum seekers, just as Trump has sought to halt the flow of Syrian refugees to America.

Government leaders have even promised to bus in throngs of people from rural Poland — the heart of the ruling party’s support — to cheer the American president as he delivers a speech Thursday in the less-supportive capital city of Warsaw.

Trump’s decision to visit Poland ahead of a Group of 20 meeting in Hamburg this week is widely viewed as a pointed embrace of his ideological allies here — and a shot across the bow at Europe’s establishment forces, led by Germany and France.

For both governments, the visit is a chance to bolster their alliance at a time of heightened tensions with the rest of Europe. Trump has raised hackles with his friendly posture toward Russian President Vladi­mir Putin and his rejection of the Paris climate deal, while Polish President Andrzej Duda is in the midst of a roiling debate over controversial constitutional changes  spearheaded by the Law and Justice Party.

“Trump needs some nice pictures from Europe and the Polish government promised him that there would be cheering crowds in Warsaw,” said Piotr Buras, head of the Warsaw office of the European Council on Foreign Relations. “The Polish government also needs nice pictures. . . It needs certain high-level events which would show that Poland is not isolated in Europe and isolated in the world.”

Law and Justice Party leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski played up the significance of Trump’s visit ahead of the G-20 summit and bragged that it has made Poland the “envy” of other nations such as Great Britain, which has yet to play host to the U.S. president.

“We have new success, Trump’s visit,” Kaczynski said over the weekend. “(Others) envy it; the British are attacking us because of it.”

Yet for some Poles, the prospect that Trump might use his visit to bolster the ruling party fills them with dread.

“I don’t want him to feel welcome here,” said Paulina Skolasinska, 24, a student at the University of Warsaw, who criticized Trump and the Polish ruling party for their “fear mongering.” “I feel like a lot of Poles support him because he is very similar to the Law and Justice Party here. . . . He speaks to the base instincts. He wants people to fear other people — other nationalities, other ethnicities.”

Especially among college students and other younger Warsaw residents, Trump’s visit has left a bad taste, even while it is viewed as a potential positive for Poland’s security.

“I don’t like him, actually,” said another student, Magda Stanczuk, 27. “He is not as good a person as he could be. I don’t like such people.”

Michal Pawtowski, 21, added: “I think that it is good that he’s coming because we can’t change here in Poland that he’s the president of the United States, but he is the president and we must keep good relations with the United States.”

For decades, the United States and Poland have maintained close ties. The Polish people are widely viewed as being positively inclined toward Americans, and many Americans trace their ancestry to Poland. 

But Trump’s presidency has proven to be a polarizing issue here, mirroring the degree to which Poland’s domestic politics have exposed rifts in their society. Since Law and Justice took power in 2015, the party has been accused of pushing  anti-democratic reforms, engaging in press restrictions, moving to constrict women’s reproductive rights and stifling the teaching of evolution and climate change in schools.

Trump’s rhetoric against the media and refugees and his criticism of global institutions like NATO and the European Union are similarly viewed negatively by Polish people, especially those in major cities like Warsaw. Although he is viewed far more positively among Poles than among other Europeans, just 23 percent of Polish people said they had confidence in Trump, a decline of nearly 40 percent compared with their view of Barack Obama at a similar point in his presidency, according to a recent Pew Research Center poll. And a survey ahead of Trump’s visit by an independent Polish news organization  found that most felt a sense of “indifference,” “amusement” and “fear” at the thought of Trump’s presence here.

“There is a lot of this what I would call ideological affinities between the Law and Justice party in Poland and Mr. Trump, not only in terms of ideology and political world view but also some of the methods of doing politics are strikingly similar to my mind,” said Jacek Kucharczyk, president of the Institute of Public Affairs, a Warsaw think tank. “No wonder the Polish ruling party has embraced this visit and is doing all they can to welcome Mr. Trump with open arms and also to glow in his light.” 

For Trump, it will be a rare opportunity to be embraced by a pro-American crowd in his first public address oversees.

On Thursday, at a monument dedicated to Poland’s uprising against Nazi occupation in 1944, Trump will deliver what his aides have billed as a major speech in front of a crowd that will include many rural residents transported into the city free of charge by Law and Justice.

National security adviser H.R. McMaster said in a briefing ahead of the trip that Trump will “lay out a vision, not only for America’s future relationship with Europe, but the future of our transatlantic alliance and what that means for American security and American prosperity.”

For Poland’s governing party, Trump’s visit is being characterized as an unequivocal victory in the international arena and a potential turning point for the country’s efforts to gain energy independence from Russia. 

Poland also remains a strategically critical European nation that is particularly sensitive to the threat of rising Russian power. Despite Trump’s efforts to pursue warmer relations with Putin, the Polish government expressed optimism that Trump remains committed to the security of Central and Eastern Europe.

“It’s important that the president will be there and he will hopefully confirm again the U.S. commitment to NATO and to our cooperation,” said Piotr Wilczek, Poland’s U.S. ambassador. “For us, his visit to Poland before meeting with President Putin sends a very strong message.”

And despite widespread concerns about Trump’s personality and politics, many Poles view Trump’s visit as a reassuring sign that the United States will not pull back on its commitment to Poland’s security under his leadership.

“Poles were really afraid that it would be President Trump having a very successful summit with President Putin and sitting at the table together with Putin and making divisions or [establishing] a new order for this part of the world — that was a real threat here,” said Michal Kobosko, director of the Atlantic Council’s Warsaw office. “This has not materialized yet, so Poles are looking with some optimism toward Trump.

“They believe the decision to have him present in Warsaw really means that even though it’s ‘America First,’ it’s not to say it’s Central Europe second,” he added.

But with Trump’s stop, he risks being accused of exacerbating rifts within Europe, which have only grown as populist political movements like Law and Justice have come to power. 

Among some in Poland and elsewhere in Europe, the visit is being watched closely for signs that Trump will use it as an opportunity to undermine the European Union or castigate America’s NATO allies for failing to “pay their fair share” by spending 2 percent of GDP on their own defense budgets.  

“The Polish government has a strained relationship with Germany, too,” said Buras, of the European Council on Foreign Relations. “The Germans will be listening carefully to what Trump says and what the Polish reaction is.” 

“If he wants to humiliate Germany and deepen the divisions within the European Union, he could use this visit very much to this purpose,” he added. “The divisions are already there.”

 

[Belgium]

^ that penny is worth 60 cents B. think of how much health care that could buy you https://coinvalues.com/wheat-pennies/1914
My best attempt at an amateur assessment: trump would be fine in a regular job in his current state. He may have some signs of cognitive decline, but not enough that he can't blend in to most social situations and carry out some useful work.

But da proof is in da pudding, as they say. As your mind starts to go, the first thing you do is to cover it up as best you can. That's when you drop the details in conversation and instead make generic blanket statements (which coincidentally helps you fit in as a politician). You resort to the same phrases over and over. You say a lot without any substance. You say contradictory things because really there's no underlying logic to what you said. It's all about the sound of it all and not the actual content.

Historians may look back and reinterpret the trump phenomenon. He didn't purposefully dumb down his language and resort to catch phrases out of some cunning political strategy. He was just descending into old age but with a giant ego and a gullible audience.

So he would do fine in a regular setting. He would be able to blend in and get his work done, at least to the satisfaction of a boss who's not too careful, at least for a couple more years. But in this highly stressful job as president, it's kind of amazing that he's able to hold it all together. I really think the depth of the deficit is being covered up by the innate human ability to compensate.

It would be really interesting to see an analysis of his speech over the last 5 to 10 years. There should be a measurable decrease in his vocabulary and sentence complexity. Also, how much of this decline is normal aging vs. actual dementia is unclear.

relevant article: https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-speaking-style-interviews/

Even when looking at numerous interviews from 2013 his particular speaking style is obviously there but the difference is very distinct. The article goes back pretty far but perhaps a targeted analysis of the last 5-10 years would yield more appropriate results indeed. He really hardly has any "clear" moments nowadays. Almost everything coming out of his mouth now is either constant repeating, randomly cutting off sentences or completely nonsensical rambling. Often all of those at the same time.

He'd probably do ok in a normal settting. When you put it in perspective it's kind of a miracle how relatively "well" he's holding up as president. My dad managed to hold a team leader position at a chemical plant while being a severe alcoholic. He couldn't even remember my age. And judging by all the letters I got from his coworkers they seemed to think very positively of him. This took me by surprise because I really don't know how he managed to function at his job, much less keep it.

 

 

[gry60]

DESPITE TRUMP’S BOASTS, AUTO INDUSTRY SLOWS DOWN: The New York Times reports that auto industry sales are slowing and its workforce is shrinking, two trends that are likely to continue:

The decline signals at least a pause in Detroit’s resurgence from the dark days of the financial crisis, which General Motors and Chrysler survived only through bankruptcy and bailouts. It’s happening despite President Trump’s promises to pressure automakers to save and create good-paying American factory jobs.

Ignore this Fake News, Trump supporters. Trump will likely “save” a few isolated jobs somewhere soon and hold a big presser to tout all the “winning.”

The job creator in action.

 

[EddieDoyers]

I remember when the wind said the auto industry would be boomin and jumpin immediately

 

[iamdef]

I remember when the wind said the auto industry would be boomin and jumpin immediately

I'm sure you misread, once you're right you can't miss

 

[EddieDoyers]

I remember when the wind said the auto industry would be boomin and jumpin immediately

I'm sure you misread, once you're right you can't miss

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