***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[gry60]

but now even Gen Z is trending to be like just them. We millennial are just stuck in between

Gen Z is already working so they can pay for their phones and phone plans. Too late!

Gen Alpha, however, needs to be the first generation to grow up without those things. We need not sacrifice them to online gaming, social media, and apparently online gambling

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Found this in the replies to your Twitter link Osh

 

[cragmatic]

Gen Z is already working so they can pay for their phones and phone plans. Too late!

Gen Alpha, however, needs to be the first generation to grow up without those things. We need not sacrifice them to online gaming, social media, and apparently online gambling

If the govt really cared about the people they’d ban online gambling, working in banking and I see a lot of people who are completely addicted just bleed money.

 

[Cashflow]

 

[krazy88s]

nah the differences in voting and other things between Millennials and all other generations right now is looking crazy.

 

[smedroc]

Seems the stigma isn't stigma-ing.

Dudes in the comments posting Lebron 2018 highlight reels and saying i'm built for this

 

[Betonblck]

Found this in the replies to your Twitter link Osh

That makes as much sense as saying if you can overlook a bomb dropping in Palestine, then you can understand people overlooking a bomb dropping on their mother's house.

I mean why aren't we doing something about car accidents in China. It's the leading cause of death over there. If you can overlook lax safety standards in China you should understand overlooking a drunk drivers in the United States.

 

[sfc415]

Found this in the replies to your Twitter link Osh

Found this in the replies to your Twitter link Osh

I see what she’s saying, but on that note, support of Israel is a bipartisan thing, and at the very least, Democrats have been trying to promote a ceasefire. Israelis are literally celebrating Trump’s victory because of how much more freedom he’s going to give Netanyahu to do whatever he wants.

Democrat politicians who spoke out against Israel’s attacks have been accused of being anti semitic and have been accused of being foreign terrorists. I’m sure there are many of us who feel the same as them but can’t say anything in fear of the blowback in real life.

I don’t know what’s the solution in this scenario because even though in an ideal world, support of Israel is 100% a deal breaker TO ME, the US is always going to support Israel no matter who’s in charge.

Given that, are people supposed to just not vote or what? (I’m sure that’s part of what happened this time). I have no choice in this situation, so all I can do is at least vote for the person who doesn’t have extremist policies in other aspects.

 

[a-friend]

a. They are known grifters.


b. Rogan simply is NOT bringing on anyone who would really push a left wing message.

a. Grifters huh. Interesting. Seen that word used in here several times. I'm still adjusting to all the political hotspeak and hot words

b. but he invited KAMALA (again, all of this political hotspeak is still not a first language comfort to me but she isn't LEFT WING?)

Say all of what you are spitting is true. It's still moot in the grand scheme of why she missed an opportunity by not going.
Again, she had more to win than changing JOES mind.
This is just something we will never see eye to eye on and that's cool.

Edit: He invited Kamala long before he let Trump on

 

[rexanglorum]

Dems are so captured by the interests of college educated women.

After losing an election where they crushed with non college educated men, black men, Latino men over inflation.


They have the nerve to suggest an inflationary policy that only benifits college educated and disproportionately benifits women.this is crazy.

Trump got fewer votes than in 2020. Dem turnout collapsed.

Moreover, Trump out performs other Republicans.

IMO Dems would lose more by having a “Sista Soulja moment” against *check notes* one of the Dems most reliable voting blocs, college educated women (and make of it what you will, but college Educated Black women are the most harmed by student loans) in the hopes of flipping groups that have very low turnout when Trump is not on the ballot.

the college educated women are your cornerstone, Edgars who make rape threats on tiktok and who thought Trump would give them money, will be disappointed and will soon demobilize.

Let’s not become the Pepe-lite party because of one bad outing in a globally anti-incumbent moment.

 

[keko jones]

Nvm

 

[aepps20]

I know our side hates it when people like me says this but Trump is the bizzaro alt version of Obama. Years from now we will be hearing Republicans wonder why the band of weirdos and clowns they have can’t fire up the base and get wins like Trump. He’s a generational talent. If not for the pandemic he would’ve easily won his reelection. Dems have work to at all levels and regroup but sometimes you have to tip your hat to greatness and hope to beat them next time.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

The issue is you still have to process people who are deported and deport them to the correct places while going through the legal system (even without an asylum case). You can’t just dump people in whatever random countries you want, otherwise we would ironically be helping them illegally immigrate to those other countries lol

All of that already has a process and a price. It just needs to be funded, and I suspect there’s a decent appetite right now to do so.

Plus, eventually you’ll se voluntary repatriation if you cut off income. They hey is punitive financial damages to businesses employing undocumented labor.

 

[gry60]

I see what she’s saying, but on that note, support of Israel is a bipartisan thing, and at the very least, Democrats have been trying to promote a ceasefire. Israelis are literally celebrating Trump’s victory because of how much more freedom he’s going to give Netanyahu to do whatever he wants.

Democrat politicians who spoke out against Israel’s attacks have been accused of being anti semitic and have been accused of being foreign terrorists. I’m sure there are many of us who feel the same as them but can’t say anything in fear of the blowback in real life.

I don’t know what’s the solution in this scenario because even though in an ideal scenario, support of Israel is 100% a deal breaker TO ME, the US is always going to support Israel no matter who’s in charge.

Given that, are people supposed to just not vote or what? (I’m sure that’s part of what happened this time). I have no choice in this situation, so all I can do is at least vote for the person who doesn’t have extremist policies in other aspects.

People were supposed to vote for the realistic choice: support the candidate who has a ceasefire on the table and a diplomatic opening that allows your people to salvage something after the end of the conflict.

The problem is, those who supported the non-committed movement were unwilling to understand that in this game of political leverage, they had the weaker hand. They wanted the Democratic party to go where no US leader in charge would go (weaken an official ally), even though they could never get a better deal out of Republicans (who don't care at all about Muslims). It was always a crazy gamble.

In July, Kamala Harris reiterated that the US was in support of a 2-state solution and a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. Now, under Trump, it's extremely likely that Israelis will stay in Gaza, and they may even annex it. There's already an illegal settlement in the Golan Heights (belongs to Syria) with Trump's name on it.

All of this was well known and predictable, and pro-Palestinian activists still pressed on with the boycott and "vote your conscience" campaigns.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Trump got fewer votes than in 2020. Dem turnout collapsed.

it did not "collapse" the turnout was fine,

IMO Dems would lose more by having a “sista solja moment” against *check notes* one of the Dems most reliable voting blocs, college educated women (and make of it what you will, but college Educated Black women are the most harmed by student loans) in the hopes of flipping groups that have very low turnout when Trump is not on the ballot.

I did not say have a “sista solja moment” against anyone.

Im saying Dems are losing non college educated people of all races. perhaps its time to rethink the idea that an inflationary policy that benefits college educated is good politics.

if you think debt relief is the right thing to do thats fine, but don't tell me its a policy to run on.
that seems like a viewpoint that can only be born from a party captured by those interests.

Let’s not become the Pepe-lite party because of one bad outing in a globally anti-incumbent moment.

THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM IM TALKING ABOUT.

i say "college debt relief is inflationary and may alienate swing voters
you say "Let’s not become the Pepe-lite party"

????

We have to be able to have debate about policy without being accused of racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia.
we have to be able to be honest.


if you want to spend political capital to help a coalition group memeber thats fine.
Just lets be honest about what we are doing. it's an inflationary regressive policy fundamentally and it may hurt dems with swing voters..

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Found this in the replies to your Twitter link Osh

 

[pmatic]

 

[Benny Hinn]

I know our side hates it when people like me says this but Trump is the bizzaro alt version of Obama. Years from now we will be hearing Republicans wonder why the band of weirdos and clowns they have can’t fire up the base and get wins like Trump. He’s a generational talent. If not for the pandemic he would’ve easily won his reelection. Dems have work to at all levels and regroup but sometimes you have to tip your hat to greatness and hope to beat them next time.

Rep will look at PA, MI, and WI the same way we look at FLA, OH, and IA now....How he do that?

 

[keko jones]

I don't believe none of this ... not saying is not true, but I just don't!

 

[elpablo21]

 

[rexanglorum]

When you material conditions (real or perceived), you are going to blame someone.

Better it be big business rather than immigrants. If Dems offer up more anti-politics and “joy,” the much of the center will blame immigrants.




If the institutional Democratic Party can muzzle Walz’ extremely effective tactic of calling them “weird.” The base will spend the next four years calling MAGAs weird.

MAGAs thrive off of your fear and displays of your fear. What kills them is NOT getting a reaction other than a little dismissal.

Shunning gets it done. MAGAs should be treated like South African Boers prior to 1990, or Israel soccer fan now. They aren’t good people and we need to stop being such extreme people pleasers.

 

[nice jahb]

I don't believe none of this ... not saying is not true, but I just don't!

Brother, you don't know that there truly is no end to the valley of stupidity in America and/or the mankind overall.

 

[sneaksoy]

I know our side hates it when people like me says this but Trump is the bizzaro alt version of Obama. Years from now we will be hearing Republicans wonder why the band of weirdos and clowns they have can’t fire up the base and get wins like Trump. He’s a generational talent. If not for the pandemic he would’ve easily won his reelection. Dems have work to at all levels and regroup but sometimes you have to tip your hat to greatness and hope to beat them next time.

A friend and I were discussing and it’s almost funny how it was right in front of our eyes the whole time: many people know Trump to be the ultimate conman, but that’s exactly what makes him so appealing. People really do continue to buy what he’s selling, even if it’s pure snake oil.

For as despicable as he is, and how many view a conman, he is literally the best at it and it shouldn’t be a surprise he’s successfully conned half the country into voting for things that will likely actually hurt them.

Politics is a dirty game and he has (somewhat magically and possibly unintentionally) mastered it.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

If the institutional Democratic Party can muzzle Walz’ extremely effective tactic of calling them “weird.” The base will spend the next four years calling MAGAs weird.

fantasy land

there is no evidence the walz tactic of calling the weird works.
people gotta stop repeating this.

Is Calling Republicans "Weird" our Best Message?

MAGA Republicans are super weird, but the voters already know that

www.messageboxnews.com

Shunning gets it done. MAGAs should be treated like South African Boers prior to 1990, or Israel soccer fan now. They aren’t good people and we need to stop being such extreme people pleasers.

we're really going with "not enough left wing shunning"

 

[atlsfinest]