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What a ridiculous conclusion to an otherwise decent video.
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What's the alternative?
How do you message to people who are convinced that their taxes will go up no matter what under Dems?
I genuinely do not know the answer to this. Never has there been a greater disconnect between political messaging and reality
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Dem underperform in high turnout election and overperform in low turnout ones.
i don't understand why people can't accept this.
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dblplay1212
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Ehh, too early to say. Will wait for the Pew data in a few months to see how things shook out. Was it new voters, unlikely voters, or voters that voted for Trump in 16, Biden in 20, and Trump in 24? Overall I'm too disappointed and angry to dive too far into it yet.
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No, I said the conclusion of the video. The very end. Watch it again.
elpablo21
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Demsplain: "These things called Tariffs, silly word aint it? Well your gas prices are about to be 15 dollars a gallon while those EV people in the Hamptons will be paying nothing because of this"
lol *sigh*
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If it's good policy, and you can't get fervor around it. Whether positive for its existence, or negative for people trying to touch it.
You don't abandon the policy, you abandon the politician.
The job of the DNC and the politicians under that umbrella is to sell the bill. That's always been the Democratic Parties biggest disadvantage against Republicans is messaging
Republicans are strong in their opinions. Democratic politicians are not. They often compromise, which isn't a bad thing, but compromise on **** people want and like, and sometimes compromise before they even debate.
If you have a winning policy, and it is important and good, and you can't sell it. It's a you (politician) problem, not a them problem.
You don't abandon the policy, you abandon the politician.
The job of the DNC and the politicians under that umbrella is to sell the bill. That's always been the Democratic Parties biggest disadvantage against Republicans is messaging
Republicans are strong in their opinions. Democratic politicians are not. They often compromise, which isn't a bad thing, but compromise on **** people want and like, and sometimes compromise before they even debate.
If you have a winning policy, and it is important and good, and you can't sell it. It's a you (politician) problem, not a them problem.
aepps20
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I think we have to figure out ways to get our voters to believe that their vote counts and that voting in every election matters.
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To clarify:
The aggregated numbers show 56% average support across both genders (that they are both 4% of voters made the math easier)
If you use the population stats for MA’s, Cubans, and PR’s you get average support of 60% for those 3 groups. There’s no way you average the rest in and get to 56 when only SA’s are below 56…
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why do you type this, like nobody understands this? I personally think it’s way more interesting to learn and discuss the money and power players who are influencing these things. The environment is obvious.
You have KILLED the word “cope”. This isn’t what that is.
the idea that he's Rush Limbaugh is so divorced from reality it's crazy.
Joe Rogan is like the modern day Rush Limbaugh. Not because he’s speaking to only white men. I mean it’s obvious that Joe Rogans podcast is not only white men. That is not what I mean when I say he’s like the modern day rush Limbaugh.
I mean it in the he’s talking to the “Everyman type worker”….but explicitly lying and spewing propaganda in a format similar to how Rush does.
You seem to be taking some weird kind of victory laps with these discussions. I see it
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They need vibes… I remember in ‘08 being a bit surprised by the general excitement around Obama. He promised (and delivered) a pretty boring center left administration. I couldn’t understand why progressives and those to the far left were so stoked. Now I realize it was all vibes. That Hope and Change message really broke through to a ton of people. That’s what they voted for - not policy.
Same with W… a guy you could have a beer with.
It’s all vibes. We gotta stop selling facts when the only thing voters buy is vibes. We can call them stupid all day, but we all live in the mess they make.
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Republicans also have the benefit of not having to benefit everyone in their coalition for them to still vote. You can make grand promises to everyone of no one will do the protest vote or sit out thing on their side.
elpablo21
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Just seems like there is so much apathy and with things happening only incrementally it doesn't happen fast enough for people to care long term and with only four years without a supermajority isn't enough time to not only clean up the mess the Republicans always do but to implement your own beneficial policies
and I don't blame some people. Day to day lives are extremely hard for some to feel like they have to wait to feel change.
You're right though it what has to be done somehow and I agree with most in here it's going to have to be the right messengers and package these things up nice and pretty.
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Agreed in some ways. But let me ask you if you feel like in say the 1970s, people believed their vote counted and that voting in every election mattered. I suppose I shouldn't even ask for feelings, but for data, and broken down by groups. Place I'm going is, and I'm addressing this only to you, what motivated people in the past? And are those motivations gone? And then on the "other side", any republicans I know didn't do a single thing to get anybody to vote. There's a big fear apparatus. And like Jon Stewart said recently, "fear migrants and trans people" worked more as a scare tactic to get votes, than "democracy will come to an end".
Is it the whole thing where your proximity to something affects your ability to fear it? Like the risk of you or I dying in a car crash is way way way higher than a plane crash. But of course people are more scared of plane crashes. They'll hop on the highway without a seat belt on but then be checking plane models to make sure they aren't flying on a boeing. Similarly, people on beaches terrified of shark attacks even as they're smoking, drinking, inhaling and absorbing plastics and running around with no sunscreen on.
Is that it? Fear is a hell of a motivator. Is it as simple as making up lies like they do, with something tangible? Like remember toward the end where they made those ads where somebody came to your house to take your porn or take your daughter's birth control schedule and period history?
Feels like we're doomed to see who can come up with the biggest boogeyman. Ultimately if things go completely south the next 4 years, there will be plenty of documentation and horrific videos to provide a pretty big boogeyman.
A lot of people just do not believe that stove can be that hot. They just do not think the knife could be that sharp. Pickup basketball players just do not believe these pro players could be that good. Seems people of all types have to be scared into doing things. Well we ****** around as a country, now we're gonna find out.
Hopefully enough of us live through it to be able to warn the next generation.
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People in this thread literally suggested we need more "stigma"
if you find it interesting that's fine do you. it just reads to me as a reason to absolve democrats of any agency. it's always some right wing boogeymans fault.
but if youre just authetically interested in that stuff fine.
yah I dunno you either have never listened to Rogan or you have never listened to Rush.
if rogan was rush then obviously democrats should never go on Rogan. Rush was literally a republican operative doing an explicitly political show.
its a totally different thing.
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If Dems somehow run a primary-less, 90 day long general election Presidential campaign again, only a complete idiot would think they would do any better.
aepps20
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I agree with you. I’ve never been the walk up hill both ways kind of person when discussing politics but I sometimes wonder where many of us would be if the past generations had this same apathy and attitude? Would people that look like you and me still be 3/5s of a person? I sometimes wonder how it must’ve felt for our grandparents and great grandparents to live during segregation and in the Jim Crow south and what it took never to give up and to keep trying to make things better? Many in society just aren’t built to play the long game and unfortunately many of those are who we need.
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This type of rhetoric and combative energy was reigned in early on unfortunately for some reason even after she was ahead in the polls.
No clue why they went with Waltz when they were gonna put a muzzle on the strengths he was picked for for the majority of the time.
The vibes felt refreshing when it seemed like they were on offense, taking the gloves off and not afraid of forcefully countering that sort of energy from the right. The electorate is much more receptive to attack dog-minded politics these days.
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Honestly, this is what we need and deserve.
We need to reach absolute rock bottom as a country in order to build back together into the strongest Union possible.
I’m really hoping that things get really bad economically and socially in the next four years and we have all of our hands forced to fix things. Four years ago, I thought COVID might have been that but I don’t think it was (probably because PPP loans and stimulus packages prevented it from getting THAT bad-which have all ironically led to our current inflation issues).
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