***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[gry60]

Musk asks voters to brace for 'hardship' from spending cuts in potential Trump Cabinet role

Donald Trump wants the Tesla and SpaceX CEO, who himself has taken in billions from federal contracts, to oversee “efficiency” efforts for the government.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[aepps20]

How 5 key demographic groups voted in 2024: AP VoteCast

Donald Trump won the presidency after holding tight to his core base of voters and slightly expanding his coalition to include several groups that have traditionally been a part of the Democratic base.

apnews.com

osh kosh bosh @DCAllAfrican

Spoiler

Trump’s share of Black voters rose slightly, driven largely by younger men​

Trump was able to make slight inroads with Black voters nationally, who made up about 1 in 10 voters across the country.
Nationally, about 8 in 10 Black voters supported Harris. But, that was down from about 9 in 10 in the last presidential election who went for Biden.
Trump about doubled his share of young Black men – which helped him among key Democratic voting group. About 3 in 10 Black men under the age of 45 went for Trump, roughly double the number he got in 2020.

Spoiler

Slightly more Hispanic voters supported Trump in 2020​

While Harris won more than half of Hispanic voters, that support was down slightly from the roughly 6 in 10 Hispanic voters that Biden won.
Hispanic voters were more open to Trump than they were in 2020. Roughly half of Latino men voted for Harris, down from about 6 in 10 who went for Biden.

Even with his slight increases it is clear as day that others in the coalition that did support Kam just wanted to go to fun rallies instead of actually voting. This was a turnout election where we needed to get our voters out there and our side didn’t do it. Just pathetic showing from our side.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

You need a simple, unambiguous agenda. And you need to limit the messaging to that agenda. And that means nothing that won’t appeal to 70% of the population - because you’re going to lose 15-20 on preference.

Example: I agree with Osh that the effects of private equity in residential real estate is minimal. But if private equity is an effective boogeyman, run with it. Yes, do things that matter like incentivizing density, but also demonize faceless large corporate America. Make serious investments with local developers to build - subsidize the h*** out of them. Make the rich. Whatever. But also kick out non-local investors. Tax them to death and use the proceeds for your subsidies. Hurt the bad guy and help the good guys.

 

[a-friend]

especially when the sycophants come out the woodwork to reassure the public that the offensive things he says are taken out of context

Ahhhh man there you go both can be true

 

[gry60]

How is it altruism goes one way? They are exploiting us, we're not exploiting these Western governments.

Like c'mon now...How are you not seeing this cycle of turnaround of WHY immigrants MOVE to Western countries like the U.S.?

Most people move to the West because of the opportunity to multiply their earning potential. Cubans, Palestinians, Somalis, Rwandans and other forced immigrants constitute a tiny amount of the overall migrant population in the United States. Indians, Chinese, Mexicans, and Nigerians don't settle here because they're fleeing wars.

All of that has only been possible because the US lifted their immigration ban on people from non-white countries in the 1950s. The thing is, while naturalized citizens take advantage of the policies that helped them set foot here and prosper, they don't skip a beat to disparage the very folks who fought for those advantages.

I have way too many anecdotes of those folks voting their values/feelings over voting to preserve the rights that they and the people they don't like enjoy, rights that are more fundamental to their success than the temporary gains they'll get from tax cuts or the satisfaction to call someone a gay slur without consequences because "that's how we talk in the old country."

I'm not surprised by the reaction, and if you are, you don't know the history of migrant rights and citizenship in the US.

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

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The middle class people that voted for him are going to regret their decision when they realize that he’s not looking out for them. Dumb-asses.

Reminds me of the Dave Chappelle joke

Poor whites: "Trump fights for us!"

Dave: You are POOR! He's fighting for ME!

 

[af1 1982]

 

[elpablo21]

Fetterman is just being authentic. Gotta love that right

but the pearl clutching will follow anyways lol

 

[rexanglorum]

 

[me love nutella]

Most people move to the West because of the opportunity to multiply their earning potential. Cubans, Palestinians, Somalis, Rwandans and other forced immigrants constitute a tiny amount of the overall migrant population in the United States. Indians, Chinese, Mexicans, and Nigerians don't settle here because they're fleeing wars.

All of that has only been possible because the US lifted their immigration ban on people from non-white countries in the 1950s. The thing is, while naturalized citizens take advantage of the policies that helped them set foot here and prosper, they don't skip a beat to disparage the very folks who fought for those advantages.

I have way too many anecdotes of those folks voting their values/feelings over voting to preserve the rights that they and the people they don't like enjoy, rights that are more fundamental to their success than the temporary gains they'll get from tax cuts or the satisfaction to call someone a gay slur without consequences because "that's how we talk in the old country."

I'm not surprised by the reaction, and if you are, you don't know the history of migrant rights and citizenship in the US.

I just find your analysis sometimes misses context when it comes to global capitalism and how literally everything ties to be usurped by the imperial core from the periphery/Global South.

It doesn't have to be just wars as the reason. It's also because of global capitalism and colonialism that exploits through international global trade and economic policies to be funneled to the imperial powers, even immigration.

Also, you know why they lifted bans on immigration as that also serves the capitalist economy of the imperial core.

But, that doesn't mean this base doesn't have legitimate reasons for the way they vote.

As for those immigrants and BIPOC that vote for leaders that spew anti immigrant rhetoric, that is the crab in buckets mentality. Especially the U.S. that is inherently founded on white supremacy racial capitalist system. It's all about the competition to outdo the "other" on that social ladder and power hierarchies for proximity to whiteness/power.

 

[whywesteppin]

yeah and I'm not being sarcastic here, liberals were garbage loser ***** for trying to distance themselves from Biden when he called MAGAs garbage. They should have instead doubled down on it. "No apostrophe, president Biden was calling Trump supporters garbage." Instead they did this unforgivable thing of trying to imply Biden was demented and senile and didn't know what he was saying.

 

[gry60]

Even cops?

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

It doesn't have to be just wars as the reason. It's also because of global capitalism and colonialism that exploits through international global trade and economic policies to be funneled to the imperial powers, even immigration.

You might want to ask gry60 where he was born.

 

[rexanglorum]

Even cops?

Folks, Huey Newton, couldn’t shut down Oakland PD. But folks, There will be no cops anywhere in Oakland, California anymore.


Trump is also weakening the US Empire and his tariffs are largely self imposed sanctions.

America finally will have a Maoist in the White House.

 

[smedroc]

Fetterman is just being authentic. Gotta love that right

Indeed. Very Trump-esque.

 

[ghenges]

It would be so satisfying to see Republicans suffer over the next 4 years on account of their own doing if it also didn't affect me.

Still I guess I get to play the "I told you so" and "Don't blame me" game.

 

[elpablo21]

Indeed. Very Trump-esque.

Funny, Trump fans in the comments don't seem to

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

 

[gry60]

I just find your analysis sometimes misses context when it comes to global capitalism and how literally everything ties to be usurped by the imperial core from the periphery/Global South.

It doesn't have to be just wars as the reason. It's also because of global capitalism and colonialism that exploits through international global trade and economic policies to be funneled to the imperial powers, even immigration.

In your perspective of the world, it seems that human beings were static before Europeans decided to explore. In reality, economic reasons have always been a driver of migration (see nomadic cultures).

Colonial conflicts aren't the reason for everything.

Also, you know why they lifted bans on immigration as that also serves the capitalist economy of the imperial core.

Americans didn't need to import workers in the 1950s. They were still the world's factory, had a shortage of men due to the war, so jobs were plentiful and there was an international market ready to buy their stuff.

Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

Remarkably, economic factors were relatively unimportant in the debate over the new immigration provisions. Although past arguments in favor of restrictionism focused on the needs of the American economy and labor force, in 1952, the Cold War seemed to take precedent in the discussion. Notably, the American Federation of Labor and the Congress of Industrial Organizations took opposite sides in the debate, demonstrating that there was not one, clear pro-labor position.

How U.S. immigration laws and rules have changed through history

The United States began regulating immigration soon after it won independence from Great Britain, and the laws since enacted have reflected the politics and migrant flows of the times. We looked at key immigration laws from 1790 to 2014.

www.pewresearch.org

Passing the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was an ideological move.

Long-standing immigration restrictions began to crumble in 1943, when a law allowed a limited number of Chinese to immigrate. In 1952, legislation allowed a limited number of visas for other Asians, and race was formally removed as grounds for exclusion. Although a presidential commission recommended scrapping the national-origins quota system, Congress did not go along.

In 1965, though, a combination of political, social and geopolitical factors led to passage of the landmark Immigration and Nationality Act that created a new system favoring family reunification and skilled immigrants, rather than country quotas. The law also imposed the first limits on immigration from the Western Hemisphere. Before then, Latin Americans had been allowed to enter the U.S. without many restrictions. Since enactment of the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, immigration has been dominated by people born in Asia and Latin America, rather than Europe.

But, that doesn't mean this base doesn't have legitimate reasons for the way they vote.

Their reasons may be rational to them; however, when they choose to support candidates and policies that will harm the very people they leaned on to get ahead, only a non-rational person would not expect some sort of backlash.

 

[biggie62]

You right they just going to stop paying you overtime. No tax just free labor

 

[osh kosh bosh]

and people why young men repelled by this.

nothing says "democrats are the party of neurotic college educated women"
like talking about covid masks in 2024.

 

[gry60]

 

[rexanglorum]

and people why young men repelled by this.

nothing says "democrats are the party of neurotic college educated women"
like talking about covid masks in 2024.

She’s using it as an example of how stigma can work.

Sexual, romantic, and social exclusion being the result of voting for Trump is good politics IMO.

It sends a message that not only will Trump NOT help you find a girlfriend, it will make it more difficult.

 

[gry60]

You right they just going to stop paying you overtime. No tax just free labor

Remember when Biden did nothing for the working class?

Biden-Harris administration finalizes rule to increase compensation thresholds for overtime eligibility, expanding protections for millions of workers

www.dol.gov

The Biden-Harris administration today announced a final rule that expands overtime protections for millions of the nation’s lower-paid salaried workers by increasing the salary thresholds required to exempt a salaried bona fide executive, administrative or professional employee from federal overtime pay requirements.

Effective July 1, 2024, the salary threshold will increase to the equivalent of an annual salary of $43,888 and increase to $58,656 on Jan. 1, 2025. The July 1 increase updates the present annual salary threshold of $35,568 based on the methodology used by the prior administration in the 2019 overtime rule update.

In other words, if you made more than 35k, your employer could force you to work unpaid overtime; under the new Biden rule, you'd have to make more than 43k to be legally asked to work overtime without extra pay. It would've been 58k starting Jan 1st.

Biden's Overtime Rule Faces Trouble Despite Fifth Circuit Nod

Federal courts weighing challenges to the US Labor Department’s overtime pay rule still have to decide how far the Biden administration can stretch its authority, despite the Fifth Circuit’s decision upholding an earlier version of the regulation.

news.bloomberglaw.com

Federal courts weighing challenges to the US Labor Department’s overtime pay rule still have to decide how far the Biden administration can stretch its authority, despite the Fifth Circuit’s decision upholding an earlier version of the regulation.

The US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit Sept. 11 gave the DOL the greenlight to continue using a worker’s salary as a factor in determining their eligibility for overtime pay, in a case involving the Trump administration’s version of the rule.

The court warned, however, that the agency doesn’t have unlimited authority in determining the salary threshold. The decision shows that even when judges determine agencies are acting within the law, they may still rein in regulators if they think a rule goes too far.

Looks like Trump will have an easy time taking this terrible Biden policy down.

 

[rexanglorum]

Dang, Maoists are taking over the White House AND The Onion.