***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[thereal12thfan]

The data seems to suggest Biden dragged Harris down with him and she couldn’t distance herself from his unfavorables. She didn’t really fumble anything or draw any controversy, she closed strong, she just underperformed in turnout compared to Biden in 2020 by 1-3pts in key counties. Numbers didn’t meet 2020 turnout, and a 36pt shift in the Latino vote was pretty staggering. Read into that what you will but I’m not sure any answer that involves running a “safer” candidate really addresses the rationale for moving to Trump.

Ultimately it looks like Trump slurred his way to convincing a surprisingly diverse coalition across the country Biden was ruining the country and Kamala did too by proxy. Very disappointing night.

lol. Happy birthday

 

[rolaholic]

But when do they talk about it?

The only prominent people on the whole I really hear speak on the issue are those with loved ones directly dealing with it, like Dwayne wade

Otherwise politically, it seems like a one sided yelling match just pointing out the issue

But I think that goes back to the current failures in journalism.. speak to actual issues/facts and not have people address whatever BS people say.. you can find out roughly around how many high school or whatever aged girls there are and rough estimate of how many are playing sports and how much of an issue it actually is

The culture war stuff gets overblown and overmagnified 1000% more than it actually impacts everyday average peoples lives but it still gets people to react and have strong opinions which is key.

As we keep finding out again and again and again, you repeat something enough times and people will start to internalize it and run with it.

Just look at the non-existent 'crime/shoplifting wave' that never existed statistically but people were adamant about for a long time after the pandemic.

Another example is all of the incessant recession fears over the last 2-3 years in spite of all of the relevant economic indicators and markers highlighting that it's in a great place.

The truth genuinely matters less than ever now, just matters how loud your megaphone is and how often you drill into peoples heads with your message.

Fear is also maybe the most powerful motivator around so it's looked like the more that you fear monger about any issue, no matter how insignificant, the more you get through to peoples behaviour oriented parts of their brain

 

[IATT]

He aint gonna do ****. Trump gonna mind his damn business and not even touch the war in Gaza

But I can’t even blame the Muslims that voted for him if that was their main issue. He’s the only one that provided any semblance of hope.

Again, I hope I am wrong, but tonight is a very terrible night for the Palestinian people as with Ukrainian people

I presume trump or his people will have some sort of back door deal when developments start..

Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, praises 'very valuable' potential of Gaza's 'waterfront property'

About 1.5 million displaced Palestinians are sheltering in the southern Gaza town of Rafah, as Israel looks to eliminate Hamas following the militant group’s deadly Oct. 7 attack.

apnews.com

just like ivanka had deals with China for trademarks

China grants 18 trademarks in 2 months to Trump, daughter

SHANGHAI (AP) — The Chinese government granted 18 trademarks to companies linked to President Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka Trump over the last two months, Chinese public records show, raising concerns about conflicts of interest in the White House.

apnews.com

 

[jpzx]

 

[essential1]

Republican candidates are happy to label themselves as conservatives in their campaign but It would be political suicide for a Democrat to label themselves as "liberal" (outside of small number of ultra liberal enclaves). This *should* be a wake up call that the party needs to pivot more towards the center and stop appealing to fringe views.

That’s a bad move.

Harris pivoted to the center on a bunch of things. It doesn’t provide any contrast.

If you polled single issues. Not candidates, no names, just issues. it almost always skews left.
Then when you poll about politicians who are communicating the message, it moves right.

You can find appeal in how you say things, not what you say.

You have to be unapologetic in your views.

The constant I have opinion x, and publicly **** on your own ideas over and over isn’t helpful to winning support.

American voters will always have an us vs them perspective. Gotta find the right them to fight.
Typically challenging authority and those who profiteer on the working class is a good start.

 

[rexanglorum]

I worried about this sort of backlash which propelled Bolsanaro in Brazil in 2018.

Lula and his allies in the previous center-left (what we’d call far left here) government created decent and dignified employment opportunities for people heretofore in the informal sector.

It shifted the labor markets and the same number of middle class Brazilians were bidding for a smaller pool of informal sector workers, which was the source of all their domestic servants. Many middle class Brazilians got priced out of having servants OR they could still afford servants BUT they had to treat them nicely since it was now a seller’s market for domestic labor.

The Post Pandemic US had a similar dynamic. Joe Biden got quite a few people out of the app based service economy and into better paying jobs due to his economic policies.

But the average middle, lower middle American only cared that they couldn’t summon an invisible burrito taxi like they could between 2013-2019. At least not very often, unlike before the pandemic.


To be clear, inflation did actually harm a lot of lower income people; but the people who were loudest about inflation (and the idea that the economy has failed and is in a deep recession) was because of door dash no longer being an affordable, nightly indulgence.

That’s why Will Stancil had such a Sisyphean task before him. No chart or data will change the mind of someone who now has to pick up their own damn food again.

 

[IATT]

So what’s gonna happen in Ukraine now?

I’m more curious what happens with NATO

Palestine and Ukraine seem obvious

 

[ntva28]

Nters who went to sleep will have a rude awakening in the morning or they will just accept it like whatever, expected it. Good night.

Oh and watch out for misinformation coming back . Ughhh

 

[dmbrhs]

So what’s gonna happen in Ukraine now?

All aid cut off, and Trump will arm Russia to help. Trump is completely controlled by Putin. He owes him billions of dollars at this point.

 

[atlsfinest]

The scariest part about Trump winning is that it is setting up for Vance to run in 2028. Vance is just as bad (if not worse than Trump) politically but he is much smarter and more pragmatic. We'd be getting all of the terrible policies wrapped up in a more palatable package.

 

[dmbrhs]

The scariest part about Trump winning is that it is setting up for Vance to run in 2028. Vance is just as bad (if not worse than Trump) politically but he is much smarter and more pragmatic. We'd be getting all of the terrible policies wrapped up in a more palatable package.

Oh, Trump will step down within two years, and Vance gets to run twice beyond that. Welcome to the ten-year presidency trick.

Edit: after two years

 

[deuce king]

“One of their own”……..LOL. Man get this ***** off the air. That’s another thing too……we need more real brothas in the national media nowadays, either that or just rely on the actual black media content creators to fill the void but Van Jones simply isn’t in touch with the black community.

 

[jpzx]

 

[niketock88]

delusional as in an ex president who incited a riot on the capital. Impeached twice. And now President. You are delusional if you think any minority could try that.

But oh wait its not delusional to vote for your self interests that an ex convicted president will deliver to you. And meanwhile the people who didn’t vote for Trump deal with the struggles, or besides financial benefits they gain or financial problems they have. Theres non financial problems that may arise, just by voting for Trump.

The other part of the selfish delusion is “But as long as I got mine, im good.” hell with everything else.

everyone gets a vote don’t you know that? And I don’t know why you’re bringing up minorities… Kamala Harris is a minority and she was backed by everyone got TONS of money and still lost. I guess you’re just smarter than everyone else.

 

[airblaster503]

Kamala didn’t really have enough time for people to truly get to know her as an individual, for swing voters anyways. I know a bunch of people at work that didn’t vote for either one.

What do you mean? They had 4 years when she has been sitting as VP watching her do a real bang up job. The Dems were cooked as soon as Biden decided to run again. They couldn’t pivot to anyone else. Kamala was not a good candidate and never would have been the candidate of Biden dipped out before.

The Democratic base is also not appealing to moderate voters. Has leaned too far left and needs to come back center more.

Calling groups of people fascist, racists, misogynistic, toxic masculinity, or whatever the **** else has been said the last several years isn’t bringing in moderate voters either. Time for the Democratic Party to reflect on these things and not repeat the same mistakes if they want to come back in 2028.

 

[superblytrife]

He’s not wrong though. Whether white men have been truly persecuted or not (they haven’t, they are just being made fun of and are being sensitive about it), they FEEL like they are being victimized

Trump is still a buffoon but his campaigns have been brilliant. He’s targeting the core feelings of these groups and catering to them

I think you’re giving Trump too much credit. He’s just being the racist, xenophobic guy that he has always been (see the Central Park 5, housing discrimination lawsuits, etc.).

So it’s less about a cognizant Trump plan and more about the snowflake, mediocre white men who need a scapegoat to blame for their mediocrity. I really don’t think he put much thought into it—he simply appeals to a lot of white folks b/c they have his same views.

But yeah I agree that white men being persecuted is truly laughable.

 

[dmbrhs]

Lemme guess, they'll have no qualms about killing the filibuster on any hot topic.

 

[Benny Hinn]

The scariest part about Trump winning is that it is setting up for Vance to run in 2028. Vance is just as bad (if not worse than Trump) politically but he is much smarter and more pragmatic. We'd be getting all of the terrible policies wrapped up in a more palatable package.

I'll believe it when it happens. They said the same about DeSantis. Trump is LeBron. ONE of ONE.

 

[Lucky13s]

lol. Happy birthday

What a classy person. Jesus certainly would be proud of you.

 

[rexanglorum]

That’s a bad move.

Harris pivoted to the center on a bunch of things. It doesn’t provide any contrast.

If you polled single issues. Not candidates, no names, just issues. it almost always skews left.
Then when you poll about politicians who are communicating the message, it moves right.

You can find appeal in how you say things, not what you say.

You have to be unapologetic in your views.

The constant I have opinion x, and publicly **** on your own ideas over and over isn’t helpful to winning support.

American voters will always have an us vs them perspective. Gotta find the right them to fight.
Typically challenging authority and those who profiteer on the working class is a good start.

There’s going to be a lot of retconning in the coming four year. The narrative will be that she ran a radically left wing campaign.

In four years, when the Dems have their primary. James Carville will be like “we gotta stop tawking about this silly stuff like abawshun and women being allowed have credit cawds again. We gotta be realistic and promise to deport even maw people than the Republicans.”

The legend of Kommunist Kamala, the champion of forced transgendered surgery, will be set in ma y Democratic circles.

 

[rolaholic]

That’s a bad move.

Harris pivoted to the center on a bunch of things. It doesn’t provide any contrast.

If you polled single issues. Not candidates, no names, just issues. it almost always skews left.
Then when you poll about politicians who are communicating the message, it moves right.

You can find appeal in how you say things, not what you say.

You have to be unapologetic in your views.

The constant I have opinion x, and publicly **** on your own ideas over and over isn’t helpful to winning support.

American voters will always have an us vs them perspective. Gotta find the right them to fight.
Typically challenging authority and those who profiteer on the working class is a good start.

Literally seen this across the country





Abortion got a majority in deep red Florida too , people aren't turned off by progressive policies at all. They just despise them if it comes with any association to team blue (like people loving the ACA but hating 'Obamacare')

Electoral politics in the country has genuinely become football

 

[IATT]

The scariest part about Trump winning is that it is setting up for Vance to run in 2028. Vance is just as bad (if not worse than Trump) politically but he is much smarter and more pragmatic. We'd be getting all of the terrible policies wrapped up in a more palatable package.

Vance isn’t the scariest part

The scariest part is what will get broken down within the system and what will be the stopping point, if there is one

A general Miley is not going be there.. or even an ag Barr.. and definitely not a VP pence

And the Washington post ain’t pulling a watergate any time soon

 

[niketock88]

I think you’re giving Trump too much credit. He’s just being the racist, xenophobic guy that he has always been (see the Central Park 5, housing discrimination lawsuits, etc.).

So it’s less about a cognizant Trump plan and more about the snowflake, mediocre white men who need a scapegoat to blame for their mediocrity. I really don’t think he put much thought into it—he simply appeals to a lot of white folks b/c they have his same views.

But yeah I agree that white men being persecuted is truly laughable.

What about all the mediocre people being hired through affirmative action?

 

[danikerhino]

What do you mean? They had 4 years when she has been sitting as VP watching her do a real bang up job. The Dems were cooked as soon as Biden decided to run again. They couldn’t pivot to anyone else. Kamala was not a good candidate and never would have been the candidate of Biden dipped out before.

The Democratic base is also not appealing to moderate voters. Has leaned too far left and needs to come back center more.

Calling groups of people fascist, racists, misogynistic, toxic masculinity, or whatever the **** else has been said the last several years isn’t bringing in moderate voters either. Time for the Democratic Party to reflect on these things and not repeat the same mistakes if they want to come back in 2028.

She didn’t have enough time to sway opinions. Honestly, as a VP, she didn’t stand out. Everything that Biden did was scrutinized so people didn’t bother looking at her. So on her own platform, people didn’t trust her because they didn’t know her. That’s my perspective anyways. I personally think she should have attacked more. **** *****-footing around words, people also voted for Trump because they view him as the stronger individual, even though it’s a facade.

 

[jpzx]

All I know is Taylor Swift didn’t work