***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Nike Jordan]

Fox is officially supporting the Biden-Harris ticket.

Spoiler

 

[gry60]

The public opinion is he can’t do the job.

The public opinion is that he can't campaign, not that he can't do the job.

2/3 of Democrats think that and you want to boil it down to unfair media brainwashing. Excusing the inexcusable.

Do you hear yourself? Biden is governing, so what exactly is inexcusable about him choosing to stay in the race?

People keep saying that everybody in thread would vote for Biden regardless, but the more I interact with some of you, the less I believe it.

"I'm going to end inflation completely"

Not sure he understands how currency and economics work.

Certainly won't get as much coverage as "I beat Medicare" because it was uttered with confidence, energy, and bravado.

'Muricans, man...

 

[gry60]

I am well aware of just how horrific them getting control is

But lawd when they actually cut the stuff they been saying they are going cut for years like social security and medicaid.. and when they do the national abortion ban, increase retirement age and all the other crazy stuff

I suggest americans learn from French history.. and also look at what conservatives have done in Britain and how they’re going about accepting their parts in the mess

They won't learn anything from ancient French history.

They can certainly learn from more recent history though. They can look at how austerity economic policies prescribed by the IMF/World Bank to many African countries in the 1980/90s and how decimated the socioeconomic fabric of those countries.

They can also look at how the leaders of those countries have used their presidential authority to extend their rule indefinitely by changing the constitution whenever they saw fit and muddying the electoral field by eliminating challengers from political life, regardless of whether they were in their party or not.

Rwanda recently had their latest presidential election; Kagame won with 99% of the vote, simply by having his courts declare two of his most prominent opponents ineligible to run.

 

[IATT]

They won't learn anything from ancient French history.

They can certainly learn from more recent history though. They can look at how austerity economic policies prescribed by the IMF/World Bank to many African countries in the 1980/90s and how decimated the socioeconomic fabric of those countries.

They can also look at how the leaders of those countries have used their presidential authority to extend their rule indefinitely by changing the constitution whenever they saw fit and muddying the electoral field by eliminating challengers from political life, regardless of whether they were in their party or not.

Rwanda recently had their latest presidential election; Kagame won with 99% of the vote, simply by having his courts declare two of his most prominent opponents ineligible to run.

There are numerous examples of how things can, easily very easily, go wrong in a whole lot of ways

But was meaning the French healthy appetite to protest and make that elite political/economic class uncomfortable from time to time

But stupid is as stupid does and if people can’t see the various recent or current examples, I would like to say that’s on them but it is going impact pretty much the whole world with this stupidity

 

[had pants]

 

[Platinum State]

Bet hes gonna wear that stupid bandage for the next 4 months just to remind people what happened even though theres no need for it

And there is it. The quiet part that I've been saying for months, OUT LOUD! He gets in, he'll NEVER leave! That first Tuesday in November 2028 will go by without a presidential election and he will just stay in the office until he dies! Like the King he is trying to become! It's ******* SICKENING & FRIGHTENING!!

I've said it before, welcome on the Christofascist Republic of Gilead!

That's not happening. Secret service would forcefully escort him out. Even if for some reason they disregarded that order the real president doesnt have to be in the white house to be president

What Happens If a President Refuses to Leave

Tradition rather than the Constitution makes it difficult for US leaders to overstay their welcome

www.voanews.com

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

Bet hes gonna wear that stupid bandage for the nest 4 months just to remind people what happened even though theres no need for it

For sure at public events..

But we already seen dude golfing without it

 

[essential1]

For sure at public events..

But we already seen dude golfing without it

he doesn’t need to wear the ear bandage outside.

They say you can’t catch COVID outside.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

he doesn’t need to wear the ear bandage outside.

They say you can’t catch COVID outside.

But the thing, THEY still taking pictures of dude in those activities

And THEY still ain’t asking no questions

WHILE THEY demand to know everything about biden

And I don’t mind that THEY asking biden all these questions EXCEPT for the fact those 2 dudes applying for the same job

 

[05fordgt]

Bet hes gonna wear that stupid bandage for the next 4 months just to remind people what happened even though theres no need for it



That's not happening. Secret service would forcefully escort him out. Even if for some reason they disregarded that order the real president doesnt have to be in the white house to be president

What Happens If a President Refuses to Leave

Tradition rather than the Constitution makes it difficult for US leaders to overstay their welcome

www.voanews.com

You are aware this man wanted to suspend the Constitution on J6 right? Like literally turn it off. If he gets in and all his sycophants are in the positions of power, you know he will have his minions work on whatever they need to do, to get the Constitution changed so he can stay in power past his 2nd 4-year term. And I'm not the only person saying this. He wants to be a "king for life" and to do that, he needs to end the rule of 2 terms. He does that, he ISN'T leaving, no matter what you mentioned about the SS.

This man is such a narcissistic piece of ****, you honestly think on Jan 20th, he'll walk out and say "thanks everyone"? Not gonna happen. And with JD in position, he's such an ***-kisser, that he'll agree to do ANYTHING TFG asks, even if it's illegal because it's party over country. While Pence is a weasel, he wasn't a hero on J6. He just followed the law (country over party). Vance isn't the same type.

 

[essential1]

But the thing, THEY still taking pictures of dude in those activities

And THEY still ain’t asking no questions

WHILE THEY demand to know everything about biden

And I don’t mind that THEY asking biden all these questions EXCEPT for the fact those 2 dudes applying for the same job

It’s pretty simple.

The media is a business. They hemorrhage money. They need ratings and ad revenue. Trump provides that. Biden does not.

The media as a whole left and right wants Trump as president.

Not because they like him or think he will do well. But because he brings ratings and money.

 

[atlsfinest]

You're acting like 100s of articles and opinion pieces about Biden's decline are not printed with the implicit purpose of influencing the public's opinion. Y'all are scrutinizing every misspelling, mistake, mixup Biden does; meanwhile, Trump has been sleeping throughout many of his public appearances; when he's awake, his ramblings have no substance, but we don't see the same level of coverage.

Let's call it like it is: Dems are throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. It looks a lot like Democrats don't even believe their platform can win them the White House. For a party, that spells trouble.

Changing the captain of a ship has never plugged the holes, and nobody can verify whether the hull has holes or the downward motion is due to the water.


This is a misrepresentation of what those who favor keeping Biden are saying: he owned up to his debate performance, his supporters owned up to it, and they don't pretend that he still has the vigor of 4 years ago.

The point is that we're all speculating here, but y'all are taking the polls as facts when they're just snapshots of public opinion.

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It's not just the debate. It's basically every interview he gives. If it were a one time occurrence I don't think most people would be worried.

And if you look it up, there have been people within the party who have brought up Biden's decline for over a year. It's disingenuous to say that there were no concerns before the debate. You can find dozens of articles written over the last two years talking about Biden's age and decline. It just didn't become obvious to the public until the debate.

 

[IATT]

It’s pretty simple.

The media is a business. They hemorrhage money. They need ratings and ad revenue. Trump provides that. Biden does not.

The media as a whole left and right wants Trump as president.

Not because they like him or think he will do well. But because he brings ratings and money.

O I am very well aware.. but I don’t get the business model for all involved

And we’re seeing that result for msnbc and cnn and the New York Times.. not sure on the Washington post

But they gotta know soon as they question trump ramifications are coming if they give him that power

 

[atlsfinest]

O I am very well aware.. but I don’t get the business model for all involved

And we’re seeing that result for msnbc and cnn and the New York Times.. not sure on the Washington post

But they gotta know soon as they question trump ramifications are coming if they give him that power

The business model is simple. Better ratings means they can charge more for advertising revenue. More advertising revenue is more money.

I think the goal here for neutral or left-leaning news organizations like CNN, MSNBC would be to get Trump in office and then go back to criticizing Trump for the next 4 years. As has been mentioned, Trump is better for ratings because he is polarizing and chaotic. Biden is too measured and presidential.

They would be looking forward to four more years of "OMG can you believe that Trump said this?! "

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[atlsfinest]

 

[Platinum State]

You are aware this man wanted to suspend the Constitution on J6 right? Like literally turn it off. If he gets in and all his sycophants are in the positions of power, you know he will have his minions work on whatever they need to do, to get the Constitution changed so he can stay in power past his 2nd 4-year term. And I'm not the only person saying this. He wants to be a "king for life" and to do that, he needs to end the rule of 2 terms. He does that, he ISN'T leaving, no matter what you mentioned about the SS.

This man is such a narcissistic piece of ****, you honestly think on Jan 20th, he'll walk out and say "thanks everyone"? Not gonna happen. And with JD in position, he's such an ***-kisser, that he'll agree to do ANYTHING TFG asks, even if it's illegal because it's party over country. While Pence is a weasel, he wasn't a hero on J6. He just followed the law (country over party). Vance isn't the same type.

Needs 2/3 of the house and senate to vote for that and 38 states to ratify it. Not happening. Ever. Lets be realistic

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[trappedintime]

The public opinion is that he can't campaign, not that he can't do the job.

Do you hear yourself? Biden is governing, so what exactly is inexcusable about him choosing to stay in the race?

Man hasn’t held a cabinet meeting in 10 mos and you call that governing.

 

[B Sox]

I mean 8 years is a gigantic difference once you start dealing with folks that are 70+.

Mom was a geriatric nurse. Change can be crazy.

 

[heelsandeers]

Let's call it like it is: Dems are throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. It looks a lot like Democrats don't even believe their platform can win them the White House. For a party, that spells trouble.

If the election were about the Dem's platform (or Biden's record) he would be winning. Biden's record is not popular right now because Americans have no clue was is actually going on. Fair or not the election has been made about Biden's age and health

Every moment spent defending it Dems aren't 1. articulating the platform or 2. making the election about Trump. You simply cannot win the race for president if the question hanging over your campaign is whether you are senile

This is just the way politics works. Maybe if Biden had a cult of supporters it would be different. The problem is Dems and liberals live in reality. They don't run propaganda outfits. It's much easier to stand by your guy if you don't ever have to engage with reality

A new candidate whom voters don't know like they know Biden is a chance for a reset. An opportunity to introduce themselves along with all of the Biden admin accomplishments. It would be a way to center the race on what Biden has done rather than who Biden is

This is a misrepresentation of what those who favor keeping Biden are saying: he owned up to his debate performance, his supporters owned up to it, and they don't pretend that he still has the vigor of 4 years ago.

If his debate performance was just a one-off he should have been in front of the media on Saturday morning taking questions. He had his chance to counter the narrative and turn the tide post-debate and failed. I can only infer from the lack of follow-up (note: the ABC News interview was taped) that Biden and his people are not confident that he would do better given another chance

 

[heelsandeers]

You're acting like 100s of articles and opinion pieces about Biden's decline are not printed with the implicit purpose of influencing the public's opinion.

Nah, that's exactly why they're printed

Y'all are scrutinizing every misspelling, mistake, mixup Biden does; meanwhile, Trump has been sleeping throughout many of his public appearances; when he's awake, his ramblings have no substance, but we don't see the same level of coverage.

You know how this works. The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump has been so pathetic for so long that there are zero expectations. That's been true of GOP candidates for a long time

 

[trappedintime]

If his debate performance was just a one-off he should have been in front of the media on Saturday morning taking questions. He had his chance to counter the narrative and turn the tide post-debate and failed. I can only infer from the lack of follow-up (note: the ABC News interview was taped) that Biden and his people are not confident that he would do better given another chance

It’s like people ignored two weeks of interviews. He couldn’t even name his secretary of defense in the BET interview after trying to defend his own record yesterday . This isn’t a man up for the challenge of defending himself, let alone going after Trump and dudes are still in this thread talking about “one bad night expecting those back in reality to take them seriously.