- 1,063
- 10
currys been in the league for long enough now and he can't even guard a $$$#*%$ pick and roll. you can't even enjoy the knicks when you are lifted
because they kill your high straight up
OFFICIAL NEW YORK KNICKS OFFSEASON THREAD: TRAINING CAMP
- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by the gr8,
- Start date
- 5,527
- 14
This team is HOOORRRIBBLLEEE without Zach.
Maybe I'm overreacting but I honestly feel like the season is over already.
In an improved EC I don't see how we can make the playoffs without Kobe.
Maybe I'm overreacting but I honestly feel like the season is over already.
In an improved EC I don't see how we can make the playoffs without Kobe.
- 4,058
- 11
^^^Get Zach back, trade Curry (and ad ons) for Artest, fire Zeke
- 40
- 10
hey i thought some1 quit
- 13,094
- 2,121
Sounds good to me!
Artest does so many little things in a game that go un-noticed. He'd be such a perfect fit here. Everytime I hear his name in trade rumors though, it justgets me ticked off at the Knicks FO. Cuz they could have (and should have!) drafted him in the first place.
Anyway, that was a nice game last night despite the loss. Knicks could have quit but they really hung tough. I'm more impressed with this game than theClippers game. Only cuz the Clips seemed to fall asleep towards the end of the game and let the Knicks back in it. (Even though I did see a ton of positives inthe LA game).
The blown chances (Lee at the end of ot, JC at the end of the 2nd ot, Marbury's missed ft at the end of regulation I think, THE MISSED OFFENSIVE REBOUND(especially after Zeke subbed in Lee and Curry to specifically get a potential miss right there), and the failure to defend the p&r all added up to killthe Knicks against the Kings.
I have a feeling Denver is gonna throw a nasty haymaker coming up.
Funny looking pic right here
Is all really well?
Zeke with that same dumb look on his face.
- 2,219
- 10
- 762
- 14
is how i feel about this #%*%%%% team
- 1,063
- 10
please tell me zbo is back tonight
- 1,063
- 10
Originally Posted by I LIKE AIR MAXES
hey i thought some1 quit
im using it as an analogy to show how bad the knicks are
- 1,478
- 282
Season's not over yet...as much as last night was painful, I still have hope...
I think they're missing the "star" player...Crawford isn't it yet (and probably will never be), Curry isn't it (and idk why Isiah wantshim to be it), and by making Marbury a real PG, he looks like he doesn't care anymore. But even so, the team is still good enough win some games, and asmuch as they have ups and a lot of downs, I'm more entertained by this team than when they had Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon,Othella Harrington, etc...u can hate Isiah, but at least the team's been entertaining to follow/watch, haha...
I think they're missing the "star" player...Crawford isn't it yet (and probably will never be), Curry isn't it (and idk why Isiah wantshim to be it), and by making Marbury a real PG, he looks like he doesn't care anymore. But even so, the team is still good enough win some games, and asmuch as they have ups and a lot of downs, I'm more entertained by this team than when they had Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon,Othella Harrington, etc...u can hate Isiah, but at least the team's been entertaining to follow/watch, haha...
- 1,063
- 10
well fellas another disappointing loss. you see my new philosophy with the fire isiah avy good looks HTTB. lets say if isiah were to get fired who would youpick to takeover as GM and coach?
- 1,709
- 10
- 10,056
- 10
Sorry,
its over
2-7 now??
And you know for the last 73 games...the best we can manage is .500..and thats a stretch
I'm ready for Derrick Rose on the Knicks
its over
2-7 now??
And you know for the last 73 games...the best we can manage is .500..and thats a stretch
I'm ready for Derrick Rose on the Knicks
- 2,706
- 14
relax man. it's only game nine. give it some time.
- 2,165
- 11
deja vu
- 5,527
- 14
We need Riley back.
This team is a disgrace to our city and a major reason for the decline in NBA popularity.
I wouldn't mind seeing everyone except Balkman, Lee and nate go.
This team is a disgrace to our city and a major reason for the decline in NBA popularity.
I wouldn't mind seeing everyone except Balkman, Lee and nate go.
- 11,605
- 143
We need Jerry West.
Francis
Edit: ^you forget Mardy Collins, dude got a lot of potential.. 6-6 pg plays D?
but honestly i don't think we need any trades, just a new coach.
Francis
Edit: ^you forget Mardy Collins, dude got a lot of potential.. 6-6 pg plays D?
but honestly i don't think we need any trades, just a new coach.
- 4,058
- 11
Curry and Isiah need to go ASAP.
Curry is trash and he plays no D, i said it from the start and i will say it again, there is no chance he will EVER be the marquee center Zeke wants him to be.Trade him for Artest.
I wouldnt mind to see a new young coach like Mark Jackson take over to be our new head coach. He is young and would bring a lot of energy but he also is andalways have been VERY smart in terms of basketball, he is one of my favorite PGs his NBA career with a bunch of teams including the Knicks and his college atSJU, i would love to see the Knicks get him, and he has been talking about becoming a head coach for a while now. There were rumors that the Knicks were goingto get him when we got LB.
I wouldnt mind West as GM...
But still it will take a lot more than a 2-7 start to make me give up on this season, we almost made the playoffs last year and were dreadful until lateDecember.
But if we dont make the playoffs this year... Clean the House...
But either way we need to trade Curry ASAP!!!!
Curry is trash and he plays no D, i said it from the start and i will say it again, there is no chance he will EVER be the marquee center Zeke wants him to be.Trade him for Artest.
I wouldnt mind to see a new young coach like Mark Jackson take over to be our new head coach. He is young and would bring a lot of energy but he also is andalways have been VERY smart in terms of basketball, he is one of my favorite PGs his NBA career with a bunch of teams including the Knicks and his college atSJU, i would love to see the Knicks get him, and he has been talking about becoming a head coach for a while now. There were rumors that the Knicks were goingto get him when we got LB.
I wouldnt mind West as GM...
But still it will take a lot more than a 2-7 start to make me give up on this season, we almost made the playoffs last year and were dreadful until lateDecember.
But if we dont make the playoffs this year... Clean the House...
But either way we need to trade Curry ASAP!!!!
- 5,010
- 473
I missed the Sacto game and saw the debacle in Denver. I am disgusted with the management of this team right now but I still think some of you guys areoverreacting. Its 9 games....remember the Bulls started 0-9 last year....there is still time to turn it around.
However, what I am concerned about is Isiah panicking and messing up the rotation....I thought we were going to have stability at the beginning of this year soeveryone knew their role. But now with all these different starting lineups and Isiah talking about he may start Lee at the three it seems like the Larry Brownlineup shuffle once again.
However, what I am concerned about is Isiah panicking and messing up the rotation....I thought we were going to have stability at the beginning of this year soeveryone knew their role. But now with all these different starting lineups and Isiah talking about he may start Lee at the three it seems like the Larry Brownlineup shuffle once again.
- 4,058
- 11
^^^Great point right there, and that is what i have been trying to stress, only you put it in better words than i did.
I agree first of all, although we are playing like @+%% really it is only 9 games. I really do not think the Knicks are as bad as they are playing, and if itwas ANY other team in the NBA other than the Knicks, this would just be considdered a slump and not a lost season. This season is FAR from over. See Chicagoand Dallas last year. I am not saying we will turn around as good as they did, but what i am saying is that you cant tell if a season is lost after 9 games, icant even consider teams like the Heat or Sonics lost. Especially since we have has Randolph only play in 6 of those games and we won 2 of them.
I also 100% agree with you about Isiah. Stop %%%#!!$ up the rotation!!!! Like you said we need stability to be good, there are no good teams who shuffle theirrotation. I still look back to all this mess at that loss vs Miami that made us 2-3. That game by itself was the indirect cause of a winless 4 game road trip.Isiah cant overeact like that, and he has to learn not to go too crazy over 1 game. Up until that point we were having a nice season, but he *+++!% it all upbecause of that 1 game... AND IN THAT ONE GAME WE WERE MISSING OUR BEST PLAYER. you shouldnt overeact like that in the 1st place, but without Z Bo, you cant beserious? Isiah just needs to shut the +#%* up, stick our best 5 out there, and let them play some %%%#!!$ basketball. You cant change up everything that yougot after 5 games in a season where we loooked VERY good in the few games before where we had our whole team healthy. If Zeke didnt +#%* with our lineups Z Bowould have came back, and other dudes would have been healthy and our season would probably be at .500 right now. I still think that we are as good as i saidbefore in the preseason and the win vs Denver when we have a healthy team and a starting 5 of Steph, Crawf, Z bo, and even Curry. But if you are going toshuffle, at least shuffle properly. How is Steph out and Curry is still in? Star Lee over Curry AT LEAST!!
Very good points FlautbushFiyah
I agree first of all, although we are playing like @+%% really it is only 9 games. I really do not think the Knicks are as bad as they are playing, and if itwas ANY other team in the NBA other than the Knicks, this would just be considdered a slump and not a lost season. This season is FAR from over. See Chicagoand Dallas last year. I am not saying we will turn around as good as they did, but what i am saying is that you cant tell if a season is lost after 9 games, icant even consider teams like the Heat or Sonics lost. Especially since we have has Randolph only play in 6 of those games and we won 2 of them.
I also 100% agree with you about Isiah. Stop %%%#!!$ up the rotation!!!! Like you said we need stability to be good, there are no good teams who shuffle theirrotation. I still look back to all this mess at that loss vs Miami that made us 2-3. That game by itself was the indirect cause of a winless 4 game road trip.Isiah cant overeact like that, and he has to learn not to go too crazy over 1 game. Up until that point we were having a nice season, but he *+++!% it all upbecause of that 1 game... AND IN THAT ONE GAME WE WERE MISSING OUR BEST PLAYER. you shouldnt overeact like that in the 1st place, but without Z Bo, you cant beserious? Isiah just needs to shut the +#%* up, stick our best 5 out there, and let them play some %%%#!!$ basketball. You cant change up everything that yougot after 5 games in a season where we loooked VERY good in the few games before where we had our whole team healthy. If Zeke didnt +#%* with our lineups Z Bowould have came back, and other dudes would have been healthy and our season would probably be at .500 right now. I still think that we are as good as i saidbefore in the preseason and the win vs Denver when we have a healthy team and a starting 5 of Steph, Crawf, Z bo, and even Curry. But if you are going toshuffle, at least shuffle properly. How is Steph out and Curry is still in? Star Lee over Curry AT LEAST!!
Very good points FlautbushFiyah
- 5,010
- 473
^Yeah man and I agree with what you said right there. Zeke is not being consistent about holding EVERYONE accountable. Marbury conveniently became the fall guyafter the Miami loss. When he was actually playing well this season. I am stunned as a journalist that nobody in the media has yet to ask Isiah how havingMarbury on the bench right now benefits the team?! I surely do not see it.
I don't know if some of you guys saw this but Mike Lupica had a great article in Sunday's Daily News regarding the disaster that took place this week.Check it out:
Isiah Thomas blames Stephon Marbury
Sunday, November 18th 2007, 8:50 AM
(Page 1 of 2)
Here is the point at which James Dolan may finally have arrived with Isiah Thomas, whom only Dolan ever saw as the new RedAuerbach: If Dolan could figure out a way to beat Thomas out of the $20 million or so he owes him - the way he beat Larry Brown out of a pile of money he owedhim - maybe Thomas wouldn't have even lasted this long.
You want to know truly desperate Thomas is? Look at last Sunday night's game.
In the fifth game of their season the Knicks lost at home to the Heat, a team that hadn't beaten anybody at that point.Not a single one of Thomas' handpicked overpriced players did anything to save their team, especially down the stretch. So the Knicks were 2-3 and headingto the West for four games, and already Isiah was in trouble. Not with a jury this time, or Anucha Browne Sanders. With Dolan, his boss.
So Thomas threw Stephon Marbury over the side, did it in a blink. He would do it to anybody if it mean saving himself. It allcomes as naturally to him as the smile.
Oh, Thomas did it to Brown, did it up big, when he somehow got it in his head that Dolan might choose Brown if he startedchoosing up sides. It didn't matter for a New York Knick minute that Brown was one of the few actual friends he had in the coaching profession, one infront of whom - John Calipari was there, too, in Memphis that day - he cried after getting fired by the Pacers.
This time Thomas let it be known that he was going to bench Marbury in Phoenix, even though Marbury had played there once. Whynot Marbury, even if the kid from Coney Island was Thomas' first big play in New York? Thomas loves to tell people, even juries, about how tough it wasgrowing up on the West Side of Chicago, and it was. He might have learned basketball there, enough basketball to be one of the best small men to ever play thegame. He learned the art of self-preservation there.
Just not loyalty.
It is one of the reasons why he looks small now, in ways that have nothing to do with basketball. Now he is where he is withthe Knicks and still doesn't think he should be blamed for anything that has happened since he got to the Garden. And the last sucker left - but not formuch longer - is Dolan, the dumbest owner about basketball in the NBA right now.
This isn't about Dolan blowing off steam about Marbury. Nobody cares what Dolan thinks about basketball. This is about howeasily Thomas gave Marbury up, five games into a season. Already Isiah needed another fall guy.
First he lets it be known that he is going to bench Marbury. Then Marbury blows up and blows town and then when he rejoins theteam in Los Angeles, Thomas plays him 35 minutes and plays him big minutes down the stretch. This is right out of his personal playbook. Say anything. Blameeverybody.
He must have learned that on those mean streets, too.
Only now Dolan seems to be coming to his senses, such as they are when it comes to basketball, that one victory against theNuggets the first week of the season doesn't mean the Knicks have turned the corner, doesn't justify the money, historic money, Thomas has spentassembling this group of players. Doesn't justify the damage done to the Knicks on Isiah Thomas' watch.
Why did he even get to start this season still running the basketball operation at the Garden? Because Dolan has been moreloyal to him than Thomas is to anybody except himself.
It is almost fascinating to watch, like one of those "Survivor" shows. Only Isiah is the only one on the islandthese days, still trying to talk his way out of things the way he thought he could with that jury. First he was going to build the Knicks around Marbury. Thenit was Eddy Curry. This week he was ready to bench them both. Soon the cornerstone of the franchise will be Zach Randolph.
"What's he working on now, a 10-year plan?" one NBA coach said this week.
You wonder why it should be for 10 more minutes.
The most famous line of the Anucha Browne Sanders trial came from Marbury, the night that smooth talker was trying to get afemale Garden intern into his car for sex. "You getting' in the truck?" Marbury said to her. Somebody should put Thomas in a truck now, not forreasons of romance, just to drive him away from the Garden for good.
Marbury acts like a troubled young man sometimes. The Knicks are never going to be winners with him at point guard. He behavedbadly this week, leaving the team, getting himself fined. But even Marbury deserved better than he got from Thomas this week, as he became the latest to findout that Thomas is right there in the foxhole with you until you can't find him. It wouldn't be the first time Marbury has been victimized by somebasketball patron who said he had the guy's best interests at heart.\
The good news for James Dolan, apparently, is that the guy he considers a basketball genius, even though that guy hasn'tproduced a single playoff victory for him, hasn't violated the Knicks' media policy, one that sure has done Dolan himself an awful lot of good.
After Marbury bolted the team this week, Thomas almost seemed to be bragging as he said the Knicks, as best they could, werekeeping the matter "in house."
Yeah. "Animal House."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...iah_thomas_blames_stephon_marbury.html?page=0
I don't know if some of you guys saw this but Mike Lupica had a great article in Sunday's Daily News regarding the disaster that took place this week.Check it out:
Isiah Thomas blames Stephon Marbury
Sunday, November 18th 2007, 8:50 AM
(Page 1 of 2)
Here is the point at which James Dolan may finally have arrived with Isiah Thomas, whom only Dolan ever saw as the new RedAuerbach: If Dolan could figure out a way to beat Thomas out of the $20 million or so he owes him - the way he beat Larry Brown out of a pile of money he owedhim - maybe Thomas wouldn't have even lasted this long.
You want to know truly desperate Thomas is? Look at last Sunday night's game.
In the fifth game of their season the Knicks lost at home to the Heat, a team that hadn't beaten anybody at that point.Not a single one of Thomas' handpicked overpriced players did anything to save their team, especially down the stretch. So the Knicks were 2-3 and headingto the West for four games, and already Isiah was in trouble. Not with a jury this time, or Anucha Browne Sanders. With Dolan, his boss.
So Thomas threw Stephon Marbury over the side, did it in a blink. He would do it to anybody if it mean saving himself. It allcomes as naturally to him as the smile.
Oh, Thomas did it to Brown, did it up big, when he somehow got it in his head that Dolan might choose Brown if he startedchoosing up sides. It didn't matter for a New York Knick minute that Brown was one of the few actual friends he had in the coaching profession, one infront of whom - John Calipari was there, too, in Memphis that day - he cried after getting fired by the Pacers.
This time Thomas let it be known that he was going to bench Marbury in Phoenix, even though Marbury had played there once. Whynot Marbury, even if the kid from Coney Island was Thomas' first big play in New York? Thomas loves to tell people, even juries, about how tough it wasgrowing up on the West Side of Chicago, and it was. He might have learned basketball there, enough basketball to be one of the best small men to ever play thegame. He learned the art of self-preservation there.
Just not loyalty.
It is one of the reasons why he looks small now, in ways that have nothing to do with basketball. Now he is where he is withthe Knicks and still doesn't think he should be blamed for anything that has happened since he got to the Garden. And the last sucker left - but not formuch longer - is Dolan, the dumbest owner about basketball in the NBA right now.
This isn't about Dolan blowing off steam about Marbury. Nobody cares what Dolan thinks about basketball. This is about howeasily Thomas gave Marbury up, five games into a season. Already Isiah needed another fall guy.
First he lets it be known that he is going to bench Marbury. Then Marbury blows up and blows town and then when he rejoins theteam in Los Angeles, Thomas plays him 35 minutes and plays him big minutes down the stretch. This is right out of his personal playbook. Say anything. Blameeverybody.
He must have learned that on those mean streets, too.
Only now Dolan seems to be coming to his senses, such as they are when it comes to basketball, that one victory against theNuggets the first week of the season doesn't mean the Knicks have turned the corner, doesn't justify the money, historic money, Thomas has spentassembling this group of players. Doesn't justify the damage done to the Knicks on Isiah Thomas' watch.
Why did he even get to start this season still running the basketball operation at the Garden? Because Dolan has been moreloyal to him than Thomas is to anybody except himself.
It is almost fascinating to watch, like one of those "Survivor" shows. Only Isiah is the only one on the islandthese days, still trying to talk his way out of things the way he thought he could with that jury. First he was going to build the Knicks around Marbury. Thenit was Eddy Curry. This week he was ready to bench them both. Soon the cornerstone of the franchise will be Zach Randolph.
"What's he working on now, a 10-year plan?" one NBA coach said this week.
You wonder why it should be for 10 more minutes.
The most famous line of the Anucha Browne Sanders trial came from Marbury, the night that smooth talker was trying to get afemale Garden intern into his car for sex. "You getting' in the truck?" Marbury said to her. Somebody should put Thomas in a truck now, not forreasons of romance, just to drive him away from the Garden for good.
Marbury acts like a troubled young man sometimes. The Knicks are never going to be winners with him at point guard. He behavedbadly this week, leaving the team, getting himself fined. But even Marbury deserved better than he got from Thomas this week, as he became the latest to findout that Thomas is right there in the foxhole with you until you can't find him. It wouldn't be the first time Marbury has been victimized by somebasketball patron who said he had the guy's best interests at heart.\
The good news for James Dolan, apparently, is that the guy he considers a basketball genius, even though that guy hasn'tproduced a single playoff victory for him, hasn't violated the Knicks' media policy, one that sure has done Dolan himself an awful lot of good.
After Marbury bolted the team this week, Thomas almost seemed to be bragging as he said the Knicks, as best they could, werekeeping the matter "in house."
Yeah. "Animal House."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...iah_thomas_blames_stephon_marbury.html?page=0
- 1,063
- 10
good post FlatbushFiyah23, I can't wait to hear the crowds reaction tomorrow during lineups at the garden. As soon as isiah's name calls up iwant to hear crazy boos
- 4,058
- 11
^^^^TRUTH, if that goes bad it will be a disaster for the Knicks front office.
Expect Fire Isiah chants all night and We Want Kobe Chants as well
EDIT: Great article as well
Expect Fire Isiah chants all night and We Want Kobe Chants as well
EDIT: Great article as well
- 2,165
- 11
good article.
change gonna come.
change gonna come.
- 5,010
- 473
Yeah man its funny how I am anticipating that as well. I hope Isiah gets booed so badly..... Seriously I was considering going to a game this month but Iam so disgusted with management I don't even feel like giving MSG my money. Sometimes I feel like I shouldn't even support MSG by watching....howeverI live and die with my team. I support them (team) but I cant support Isiah and Dolan. Is anyone else that disgusted that they dont feel like going to theGarden either?!
Bwood,
Change better come soon!! Honestly I just want some more wins....and Isiah fired!!
