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i really wanna see kobe get one.........but im not going to be mad if cp3 gets it
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So why not give T-Mac the MVP because they Rockets got into first AFTER Yao got hurt, right?
Big difference....T-Mac is inconsistent and shies away from the spotlight when the team really needs him....he hasn't carried the team though. They are agood team playin Spur-like Basketball.
Originally Posted by wohcttank
I will make the argument that the Kobe is not the only reason the Lakers are where they are in the West. Andrew Bynum was huge before he got injured, not many people were expecting him to have the year he has had. If he didn't put up the numbers he did where would the Lakers be?
Originally Posted by 22 Deuces 22
But wait, the Lakers weren't supposed to make the playoffs either and they might finish 1st as well.
Nobody had the Lakers finishing higher than a 7/8 seed. The majority had LA not even making the playoffs.
Don't give me that BS that the Lakers traded for Pau, the Lakers got to 1st place in the West before Bynum was hurt, so that arguement is null and void.
Originally Posted by franchise3
The thing with Kobe is, yes, he's had a good individual season. A great team season. But, Lebron has had a even better individual season than Kobe, but an average/above average team season.
So, what are we talking about?
The Lakers bring back the same team they had last year, pretty much this year. Why is this Lakers team so much better. What's changed? What's changed is you have guys like D-Fish stepping it up. A Jordan Farmar emerging. A Bynum emerging. Sasha actually balling. How much is the Lakers success attributed to Kobe, as opposed to their young guys coming along faster than expected?
That's why I wouldn't give to Kobe. It's not like he carried his team on his back this year to the top of the West.
True that the Lakers weren't projected to finish at the top of the West, but look who's right along there with them. The Hornets, who nobody even really talked playoffs with that team before the season started.
And the Hornets success is pretty much all CP3.
Garnett is the league MVP and Gasol is the Lakers' MVP.
so the MVP is a dude who hasnt even played 20 games for the Lakers?
Gasol is the Lakers' MVP.
Originally Posted by DOWNTOWN43
Kobe and CP3 = co-MVPs
Gasol is the Lakers' MVP.
SON %*+!?!
Who was Laker's MVP before February 1st?
The NBA has NEVER awarded an MVP to a team that is nowhere close to an elite team.Xtapolapacetl:
The 75-76 Lakers had a losing record when Kareem won. The 87-88 Bulls were tied for the 7th best record in the league. Not a bad record, but not exactly elite considering it was in a time when there were only 23 teams in the league. And still MJ won it.
Hey, thanks for the correction, bro.Now I know.
Now that you've brought those two facts into the discussion, I could completely see LeBron winning it. But I'm curious who else was in the running in'75-'76 and '87-'88, and how their numbers compared to Kareem's and Jordan's. If those two were far and away better than all othercandidates, then I can't see LeBron getting it this year. If they weren't, and it was a close race, then I could see him getting his first.
The 75-76 Lakers had a losing record when Kareem won.
you realize the voting system has changed since then.
Now that you've brought those two facts into the discussion, I could completely see LeBron winning it. But I'm curious who else was in the running in '75-'76 and '87-'88, and how their numbers compared to Kareem's and Jordan's. If those two were far and away better than all other candidates, then I can't see LeBron getting it this year. If they weren't, and it was a close race, then I could see him getting his first.
the argument doesnt even really matter because when Kareem won it players voted for MVP, now, people who have never played the game before votefor MVP.
The 87-88 Bulls were tied for the 7th best record in the league. Not a bad record, but not exactly elite considering it was in a time when there were only 23 teams in the league. And still MJ won it.
the cavs are 15-20 against teams with winning records. They are the definition of mediocre with or without Lebron.
Yeah, he does.. But is he the most deserving?Originally Posted by Jdiddy931
Kobe deserves it.
the cavs are 15-20 against teams with winning records.
Okay, fine take some custom stat that supports your argument. I could also mention that the Cavs are 6-2 against the 3 teams with the 3 bestrecords in the league when they met them this year and LeBron was playing.
Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
The NBA has NEVER awarded an MVP to a team that is nowhere close to an elite team.Xtapolapacetl:
The 75-76 Lakers had a losing record when Kareem won. The 87-88 Bulls were tied for the 7th best record in the league. Not a bad record, but not exactly elite considering it was in a time when there were only 23 teams in the league. And still MJ won it.
Yeah, he does.. But is he the most deserving?
I still think that the difference between LeBron's and Kobe's individual numbers is more notable than the difference between the Lakers' and the Cavs' records, especially when you consider that the Cavs' record has a 0-6 stretch when LeBron was out.
for one, the Cavs are 15-20 against teams with winning records.
Two, you keep bring up stats like they tell the whole story. They dont. There is that other side of the ball that matters also, oh yeah, defense. Ill giveLebron credit that he has improved very much on defense but Kobe is still a better defender. I dont know if you watched the Jazz/Lakers game last night, butdid you notice down the stretch that Kobe was playing D on Deron Williams. Kobe is ALWAYS on the other teams best perimeter player. Say what you want, butstats dont tell the whole damn story.
Sure, Lebron is tearing it up against mediocre teams, but when it all winds down, they might be bad without him, but they arent very damn good with him.
Okay, fine take some custom stat that supports your argument. I could also mention that the Cavs are 6-2 against the 3 teams with the 3 best records in the league when they met them this year and LeBron was playing.
I like how you throw that in there, but fail to mention that in both wins against the Lakers they were either without Bynum or Gasol. Truth ofthe matter is, the Cavs are not good against teams that arent bad.