Official Eminem *Recovery* post Vol. 7th studio album 6/22/10

Originally Posted by uknowdonti

An interesting review, what do you guys think of it?  I haven't listened to it yet but I'll pick up my copy later today.
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Eminem :: Recovery
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Shady Records/Aftermath Music

Author: Jesal 'Jay Soul' Padania
[table][/table]

Let's get this out of the way: last year, I overscored "Relapse" and looking back, although I still feel the crux of my words were vaguely on point, I know that it wasn't worth an 8.0 - more like 5.0 or so. Handily, it seems, Eminem himself agrees with me, practically disowning "Relapse" and rattling off some harsh words about "Encore" (I can definitely agree with that). That's not to say that his last outing was an album without merit, just that it was nowhere near the lofty standard that Em has set for himself.
"Lofty standard" huh? Well, let's continue with this newfound honesty: out of seven albums, how many bonafide CLASSICS are there? You know, actual classics that have great beats, rhymes, concepts and practically no filler? "The Marshall Mathers LP" is the closest we get. Mathers himself claims "Infinite" is like a demo that he never wished had seen the light of day; "The Slim Shady LP" was patchy but piercing; "The Eminem Show" was entertaining, and the next best after TMMLP; "Encore" he looked exhausted, sounded drugged out, plus it had "Just Lose It" as the lead single, FFS; and "Relapse" which was his misguided attempt to get back in the game.

The truth of the matter is - and this is where a lot of people seem to have missed the point - expecting Eminem to drop a genuinely classic album is a lot like expecting England to win the World Cup. Yeah, it happened ONCE a long time ago, but trust me, it's not likely to happen again any time soon. Therefore, the most one can hope for from Eminem is to be entertained (through wit, verbal dexterity or emotional resonance), for him to drop some memorable singles, and for him to not be completely embarrassed. Is this being negative or plain realistic? The latter, since that is the form that he has displayed for a dozen years now - his magnum opus TMMLP aside, you can guarantee two things in the life: that Eminem just doesn't really do traditionally "classic" albums and he's never made a half-decent club record before, never will.

Now that I have sufficiently dampened your expectations, what of "Recovery," his latest album and a real throw of the dice to get him a slice of this 2010 mindshare? There is good news, and bad news - and it is down to you, reading this little review, which is which. "Recovery" is one of the strangest albums I've encountered, and it is truly dependent on the listener. One individual might completely love it, another hate it - for pretty much the same reasons. Example: there is only one Dr. Dre record out of 17 numbers. Personally, I've barely heard anything great from Dre in the last 3/4 years (non-headphone related, this is), but others bemoan his slight input. Some are disgusted that he shares songs with Pink and Rihanna. Again, for me, Pink is, as a rule, annoying but she is barely distinguishable, and I think the Rihanna collaboration "Love the Way You Lie" is very well conceived/executed (it will help this album to sell millions). Someone else may have just stopped reading this review as a result.

You either root for Eminem or rout him. Gone are the weird accents, and in comes a voice that occasionally sounds like Marshall Mathers, but mostly like an old deaf drill sergeant. Seriously, he shouts on "Recovery" - a lot. He even says at one point, "Why am I yelling at air?" and it's a fair enough question. Yet, though I find it annoying, another hails it as passionate/inspiring. There are no skits, and no real binding concept - the first time that has happened in his major label career. I think it is a good idea - forget distracting concepts or narrative arcs, just prove you can create good songs (plus skits are usually overdone). Other listeners miss the skits and movie-like "scripts."

Aside from the confusing duality of the album, there are various other issues. The production, for one, could appear to be bland, yet as an album it is very listenable - certainly not superb, but it does a good job (a much better one, too, than "Relapse"). I'd argue that out of 17 full-length tracks, only 3 don't earn their place ("W.T.P." and "Cinderella Man" - plus one of "So Bad" or the album closer). Just Blaze sails very close to the wind on "No Love" - which is already one of the love/hate tracks. Is it a poor choice of sample, an inferior re-run of "Drop the World" or a raging success? You’ll have to decide for yourself, I’m afraid. DJ Khalil provides his usual level of consistency, with "Talkin' 2 Myself" in particular growing into a memorable effort. Even Jim Jonsin pops up on the solid Hotel California-$#! “Space Bound.
 
Originally Posted by ExtRaOrDinaRy SwAg

Originally Posted by uknowdonti

An interesting review, what do you guys think of it?  I haven't listened to it yet but I'll pick up my copy later today.
ir


Eminem :: Recovery
ir

Shady Records/Aftermath Music

Author: Jesal 'Jay Soul' Padania
[table][/table]

Let's get this out of the way: last year, I overscored "Relapse" and looking back, although I still feel the crux of my words were vaguely on point, I know that it wasn't worth an 8.0 - more like 5.0 or so. Handily, it seems, Eminem himself agrees with me, practically disowning "Relapse" and rattling off some harsh words about "Encore" (I can definitely agree with that). That's not to say that his last outing was an album without merit, just that it was nowhere near the lofty standard that Em has set for himself.
"Lofty standard" huh? Well, let's continue with this newfound honesty: out of seven albums, how many bonafide CLASSICS are there? You know, actual classics that have great beats, rhymes, concepts and practically no filler? "The Marshall Mathers LP" is the closest we get. Mathers himself claims "Infinite" is like a demo that he never wished had seen the light of day; "The Slim Shady LP" was patchy but piercing; "The Eminem Show" was entertaining, and the next best after TMMLP; "Encore" he looked exhausted, sounded drugged out, plus it had "Just Lose It" as the lead single, FFS; and "Relapse" which was his misguided attempt to get back in the game.

The truth of the matter is - and this is where a lot of people seem to have missed the point - expecting Eminem to drop a genuinely classic album is a lot like expecting England to win the World Cup. Yeah, it happened ONCE a long time ago, but trust me, it's not likely to happen again any time soon. Therefore, the most one can hope for from Eminem is to be entertained (through wit, verbal dexterity or emotional resonance), for him to drop some memorable singles, and for him to not be completely embarrassed. Is this being negative or plain realistic? The latter, since that is the form that he has displayed for a dozen years now - his magnum opus TMMLP aside, you can guarantee two things in the life: that Eminem just doesn't really do traditionally "classic" albums and he's never made a half-decent club record before, never will.

Now that I have sufficiently dampened your expectations, what of "Recovery," his latest album and a real throw of the dice to get him a slice of this 2010 mindshare? There is good news, and bad news - and it is down to you, reading this little review, which is which. "Recovery" is one of the strangest albums I've encountered, and it is truly dependent on the listener. One individual might completely love it, another hate it - for pretty much the same reasons. Example: there is only one Dr. Dre record out of 17 numbers. Personally, I've barely heard anything great from Dre in the last 3/4 years (non-headphone related, this is), but others bemoan his slight input. Some are disgusted that he shares songs with Pink and Rihanna. Again, for me, Pink is, as a rule, annoying but she is barely distinguishable, and I think the Rihanna collaboration "Love the Way You Lie" is very well conceived/executed (it will help this album to sell millions). Someone else may have just stopped reading this review as a result.

You either root for Eminem or rout him. Gone are the weird accents, and in comes a voice that occasionally sounds like Marshall Mathers, but mostly like an old deaf drill sergeant. Seriously, he shouts on "Recovery" - a lot. He even says at one point, "Why am I yelling at air?" and it's a fair enough question. Yet, though I find it annoying, another hails it as passionate/inspiring. There are no skits, and no real binding concept - the first time that has happened in his major label career. I think it is a good idea - forget distracting concepts or narrative arcs, just prove you can create good songs (plus skits are usually overdone). Other listeners miss the skits and movie-like "scripts."

Aside from the confusing duality of the album, there are various other issues. The production, for one, could appear to be bland, yet as an album it is very listenable - certainly not superb, but it does a good job (a much better one, too, than "Relapse"). I'd argue that out of 17 full-length tracks, only 3 don't earn their place ("W.T.P." and "Cinderella Man" - plus one of "So Bad" or the album closer). Just Blaze sails very close to the wind on "No Love" - which is already one of the love/hate tracks. Is it a poor choice of sample, an inferior re-run of "Drop the World" or a raging success? You’ll have to decide for yourself, I’m afraid. DJ Khalil provides his usual level of consistency, with "Talkin' 2 Myself" in particular growing into a memorable effort. Even Jim Jonsin pops up on the solid Hotel California-$#! “Space Bound.
 
Originally Posted by ExtRaOrDinaRy SwAg

Originally Posted by uknowdonti

An interesting review, what do you guys think of it?  I haven't listened to it yet but I'll pick up my copy later today.
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Eminem :: Recovery
ir

Shady Records/Aftermath Music

Author: Jesal 'Jay Soul' Padania
[table][/table]I remember watching an interview with Donny Osmond a few years back. He was part of that hugely successful group, and over the years, pressure had built up on him until he lost all flavour for performing solo. He became depressed and disillusioned, until someone told him to just go out there, perform, and not put the burden of trying to be "perfect" on stage - just go and be "average." It took the pressure off his mind, and he went on stage to give a memorable performance. I've listened to this album a lot, much more than I planned to - that is because, pure and simply, it is enjoyable. Not perfect, not bulletproof, just enjoyable. Eminem is, arguably, still finding himself, perhaps even his voice. But this feels like HIM. For the first time, I listen to him on "Recovery" and don't feel like he's trying to hustle me; he seems to ask nothing of me, other than that I listen without prejudice, and give him another chance. He still sounds a touch lost, overcompensating with his flow and some weaker punchlines, but he looks to be steadying the ship. This will hold a bizarre position in his catalogue - "Recovery" is not his best, nor his worst, but either people will listen incessantly or barely at all. There is no middle ground.
Music Vibes: 7 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 7 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 7 of 10

http://www.rapreviews.com/feature.html


*cue the applause gif*

I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with this review, especially the bolded portions. There's no way in the world I can give this album classic status like some of yall Stans have said earlier in this thread.

You must agree wholeheartedly with the review since you obviously fall into the barely at all category. 

Its so stupid that if you say you like the album all the em haters instantly decide your a "stan".  I consider myself an Em fan but i didn't buy Relapse or encore so i dont' think i fall into the stan category.  And i think this album is really well done i think i would give it an 8.5/10.
 
Originally Posted by Jking0821

Originally Posted by Ballerific703

It's a nice album, needs more Dre though but there is a few songs I can't get into
Talkin' 2 Myself (Budden used this sample on MM3 and I really liked it, so it's hard to hear someone else use the same sample)

Won't Back Down (Can't get into this beat AT ALL, hate it)

No Love (Overall just sounds real sloppy, like it hasn't been finished)
THIS

I don't know why but i just can't listen to that song.  It just sounds like noise to me.


Its up there with best albums of 2010 for me.
I hated it when I first heard it, but now its one of my favorite songs on the album...the last verse is
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Originally Posted by Jking0821

Originally Posted by ExtRaOrDinaRy SwAg

Originally Posted by uknowdonti

An interesting review, what do you guys think of it?  I haven't listened to it yet but I'll pick up my copy later today.
ir


Eminem :: Recovery
ir

Shady Records/Aftermath Music

Author: Jesal 'Jay Soul' Padania
[table][/table]I remember watching an interview with Donny Osmond a few years back. He was part of that hugely successful group, and over the years, pressure had built up on him until he lost all flavour for performing solo. He became depressed and disillusioned, until someone told him to just go out there, perform, and not put the burden of trying to be "perfect" on stage - just go and be "average." It took the pressure off his mind, and he went on stage to give a memorable performance. I've listened to this album a lot, much more than I planned to - that is because, pure and simply, it is enjoyable. Not perfect, not bulletproof, just enjoyable. Eminem is, arguably, still finding himself, perhaps even his voice. But this feels like HIM. For the first time, I listen to him on "Recovery" and don't feel like he's trying to hustle me; he seems to ask nothing of me, other than that I listen without prejudice, and give him another chance. He still sounds a touch lost, overcompensating with his flow and some weaker punchlines, but he looks to be steadying the ship. This will hold a bizarre position in his catalogue - "Recovery" is not his best, nor his worst, but either people will listen incessantly or barely at all. There is no middle ground.
Music Vibes: 7 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 7 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 7 of 10

http://www.rapreviews.com/feature.html


*cue the applause gif*

I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with this review, especially the bolded portions. There's no way in the world I can give this album classic status like some of yall Stans have said earlier in this thread.

You must agree wholeheartedly with the review since you obviously fall into the barely at all category. 

Its so stupid that if you say you like the album all the em haters instantly decide your a "stan".  I consider myself an Em fan but i didn't buy Relapse or encore so i dont' think i fall into the stan category.  And i think this album is really well done i think i would give it an 8.5/10.

Actually I don't fall in the barely at all category, I will listen to this album because I do like it but it's nowhere near a CLASSIC in my eyes, that's the point I'm making. I give it a 7/10 like the reviewer but all the points I bolded among other things are some pretty debatable opinions about this album I don't see how ANYONE can deny them. And no you're not a stan for liking this album either, I don't know where u got that idea from
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You know what a Stan is don't be blind, there all throughout this music forum deeming this album is the greatest piece of rap music EVER 
  
 
^^^ cool i think we agree from both sides. Its dumb to be called a stan for liking it but its equally as dumb to like it only because its by Eminem.

I agree with the review that it's def a cool listen. Not ground breaking in any way thats for sure
 
If u can listen to an album from start to finish without skipping a track, that's grounds for being a "classic"
 
One individual might completely love it, another hate it



Wow, no, really? what other way could it go? Such a groundbreaking review
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"So bad" & "Cinderella Man" shouldn't have made the album?
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Hip hop elitist nerds are unbelievable
 
3 tracks I don't like:

Won't back down - Horrible song. Sounds like a bunch of noise combined. When I hear "Spaz like a god damn taz, yeah" I want to puke...

WTP - No explanation needed.

The tribute to Proof - His singing ruins it. When I first started it, it was sooo bad, it sounds like he is singing for a parody..

Other than that, good album. And that's coming from someone who hasn't bought/liked an Em album since the MMLP 10 years ago.

NOT a classic. A classic can be played all the way through with no BS. i.e Aquemini, OB4CL2, RTD....

14/17 = 82%
82% of 5 = 4/5 IMO
 
Originally Posted by OptimusPrimeAPhiA

Originally Posted by ExtRaOrDinaRy SwAg

Originally Posted by uknowdonti

An interesting review, what do you guys think of it?  I haven't listened to it yet but I'll pick up my copy later today.
ir


Eminem :: Recovery
ir

Shady Records/Aftermath Music

Author: Jesal 'Jay Soul' Padania
[table][/table]

Let's get this out of the way: last year, I overscored "Relapse" and looking back, although I still feel the crux of my words were vaguely on point, I know that it wasn't worth an 8.0 - more like 5.0 or so. Handily, it seems, Eminem himself agrees with me, practically disowning "Relapse" and rattling off some harsh words about "Encore" (I can definitely agree with that). That's not to say that his last outing was an album without merit, just that it was nowhere near the lofty standard that Em has set for himself.
"Lofty standard" huh? Well, let's continue with this newfound honesty: out of seven albums, how many bonafide CLASSICS are there? You know, actual classics that have great beats, rhymes, concepts and practically no filler? "The Marshall Mathers LP" is the closest we get. Mathers himself claims "Infinite" is like a demo that he never wished had seen the light of day; "The Slim Shady LP" was patchy but piercing; "The Eminem Show" was entertaining, and the next best after TMMLP; "Encore" he looked exhausted, sounded drugged out, plus it had "Just Lose It" as the lead single, FFS; and "Relapse" which was his misguided attempt to get back in the game.

The truth of the matter is - and this is where a lot of people seem to have missed the point - expecting Eminem to drop a genuinely classic album is a lot like expecting England to win the World Cup. Yeah, it happened ONCE a long time ago, but trust me, it's not likely to happen again any time soon. Therefore, the most one can hope for from Eminem is to be entertained (through wit, verbal dexterity or emotional resonance), for him to drop some memorable singles, and for him to not be completely embarrassed. Is this being negative or plain realistic? The latter, since that is the form that he has displayed for a dozen years now - his magnum opus TMMLP aside, you can guarantee two things in the life: that Eminem just doesn't really do traditionally "classic" albums and he's never made a half-decent club record before, never will.

Now that I have sufficiently dampened your expectations, what of "Recovery," his latest album and a real throw of the dice to get him a slice of this 2010 mindshare? There is good news, and bad news - and it is down to you, reading this little review, which is which. "Recovery" is one of the strangest albums I've encountered, and it is truly dependent on the listener. One individual might completely love it, another hate it - for pretty much the same reasons. Example: there is only one Dr. Dre record out of 17 numbers. Personally, I've barely heard anything great from Dre in the last 3/4 years (non-headphone related, this is), but others bemoan his slight input. Some are disgusted that he shares songs with Pink and Rihanna. Again, for me, Pink is, as a rule, annoying but she is barely distinguishable, and I think the Rihanna collaboration "Love the Way You Lie" is very well conceived/executed (it will help this album to sell millions). Someone else may have just stopped reading this review as a result.

You either root for Eminem or rout him. Gone are the weird accents, and in comes a voice that occasionally sounds like Marshall Mathers, but mostly like an old deaf drill sergeant. Seriously, he shouts on "Recovery" - a lot. He even says at one point, "Why am I yelling at air?" and it's a fair enough question. Yet, though I find it annoying, another hails it as passionate/inspiring. There are no skits, and no real binding concept - the first time that has happened in his major label career. I think it is a good idea - forget distracting concepts or narrative arcs, just prove you can create good songs (plus skits are usually overdone). Other listeners miss the skits and movie-like "scripts."

Aside from the confusing duality of the album, there are various other issues. The production, for one, could appear to be bland, yet as an album it is very listenable - certainly not superb, but it does a good job (a much better one, too, than "Relapse"). I'd argue that out of 17 full-length tracks, only 3 don't earn their place ("W.T.P." and "Cinderella Man" - plus one of "So Bad" or the album closer). Just Blaze sails very close to the wind on "No Love" - which is already one of the love/hate tracks. Is it a poor choice of sample, an inferior re-run of "Drop the World" or a raging success? You’ll have to decide for yourself, I’m afraid. DJ Khalil provides his usual level of consistency, with "Talkin' 2 Myself" in particular growing into a memorable effort. Even Jim Jonsin pops up on the solid Hotel California-$#! “Space Bound.
 
the way you lie may debut in the top 5 on billboard 100 WITHOUT it being an official single (just based of d/ls from itunes as an album song)
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and recovery will break some records in te UK. it already has sold more than the other 9 albums in the top 10 combined. plus it will debut as #1 in 15+ countries.

now we just have to wait for US predictions.

dude is dominating as usual. i wish he would promote it more b/c he would sell ridiculous #s in this economy.
 
MMLP being his best album?
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TES > MMLP = SSLP > Infinite > Recovery = Relapse > Encore

Although I enjoyed Encore.

-The Juice
 
Originally Posted by Star Scream

Originally Posted by OptimusPrimeAPhiA

Originally Posted by ExtRaOrDinaRy SwAg

Originally Posted by uknowdonti

An interesting review, what do you guys think of it?  I haven't listened to it yet but I'll pick up my copy later today.
ir


Eminem :: Recovery
ir

Shady Records/Aftermath Music

Author: Jesal 'Jay Soul' Padania
[table][/table]

Let's get this out of the way: last year, I overscored "Relapse" and looking back, although I still feel the crux of my words were vaguely on point, I know that it wasn't worth an 8.0 - more like 5.0 or so. Handily, it seems, Eminem himself agrees with me, practically disowning "Relapse" and rattling off some harsh words about "Encore" (I can definitely agree with that). That's not to say that his last outing was an album without merit, just that it was nowhere near the lofty standard that Em has set for himself.
"Lofty standard" huh? Well, let's continue with this newfound honesty: out of seven albums, how many bonafide CLASSICS are there? You know, actual classics that have great beats, rhymes, concepts and practically no filler? "The Marshall Mathers LP" is the closest we get. Mathers himself claims "Infinite" is like a demo that he never wished had seen the light of day; "The Slim Shady LP" was patchy but piercing; "The Eminem Show" was entertaining, and the next best after TMMLP; "Encore" he looked exhausted, sounded drugged out, plus it had "Just Lose It" as the lead single, FFS; and "Relapse" which was his misguided attempt to get back in the game.

The truth of the matter is - and this is where a lot of people seem to have missed the point - expecting Eminem to drop a genuinely classic album is a lot like expecting England to win the World Cup. Yeah, it happened ONCE a long time ago, but trust me, it's not likely to happen again any time soon. Therefore, the most one can hope for from Eminem is to be entertained (through wit, verbal dexterity or emotional resonance), for him to drop some memorable singles, and for him to not be completely embarrassed. Is this being negative or plain realistic? The latter, since that is the form that he has displayed for a dozen years now - his magnum opus TMMLP aside, you can guarantee two things in the life: that Eminem just doesn't really do traditionally "classic" albums and he's never made a half-decent club record before, never will.

Now that I have sufficiently dampened your expectations, what of "Recovery," his latest album and a real throw of the dice to get him a slice of this 2010 mindshare? There is good news, and bad news - and it is down to you, reading this little review, which is which. "Recovery" is one of the strangest albums I've encountered, and it is truly dependent on the listener. One individual might completely love it, another hate it - for pretty much the same reasons. Example: there is only one Dr. Dre record out of 17 numbers. Personally, I've barely heard anything great from Dre in the last 3/4 years (non-headphone related, this is), but others bemoan his slight input. Some are disgusted that he shares songs with Pink and Rihanna. Again, for me, Pink is, as a rule, annoying but she is barely distinguishable, and I think the Rihanna collaboration "Love the Way You Lie" is very well conceived/executed (it will help this album to sell millions). Someone else may have just stopped reading this review as a result.

You either root for Eminem or rout him. Gone are the weird accents, and in comes a voice that occasionally sounds like Marshall Mathers, but mostly like an old deaf drill sergeant. Seriously, he shouts on "Recovery" - a lot. He even says at one point, "Why am I yelling at air?" and it's a fair enough question. Yet, though I find it annoying, another hails it as passionate/inspiring. There are no skits, and no real binding concept - the first time that has happened in his major label career. I think it is a good idea - forget distracting concepts or narrative arcs, just prove you can create good songs (plus skits are usually overdone). Other listeners miss the skits and movie-like "scripts."

Aside from the confusing duality of the album, there are various other issues. The production, for one, could appear to be bland, yet as an album it is very listenable - certainly not superb, but it does a good job (a much better one, too, than "Relapse"). I'd argue that out of 17 full-length tracks, only 3 don't earn their place ("W.T.P." and "Cinderella Man" - plus one of "So Bad" or the album closer). Just Blaze sails very close to the wind on "No Love" - which is already one of the love/hate tracks. Is it a poor choice of sample, an inferior re-run of "Drop the World" or a raging success? You’ll have to decide for yourself, I’m afraid. DJ Khalil provides his usual level of consistency, with "Talkin' 2 Myself" in particular growing into a memorable effort. Even Jim Jonsin pops up on the solid Hotel California-$#! “Space Bound.
 
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