**OFFICIAL 2019 NBA OFFSEASON THREAD**

Which team will win the 2018-2019 NBA Championship?

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tyisny said:
I Know you didn't just bring Harden into this, this is a guy who's entire game is dedicated to initiating contact & LOOKING for fouls.

Also "Proficient" is at getting to the line is ridiculous, considering for his career Kyrie gets to the line more than Steph :lol::lol:... These dudes are small guards who are extremely gifted handling the ball and getting themselves open shots around the basket, i'm not tripping on them drawing fouls at an extremely high rate.

Both of these dudes have had questionable injury histories, there's no need to be constantly wearing yourself down bumping into 7 footers at full speed if you can simply sidestep them and get a comfortable shot for yourself.

In Kyrie's Case this is even more of a non factor considering he's top 30 in the league in drive attempts per game

he's at 11.9 & finishing at 55%, to put that in perspective

Lebron is at 12 finishing at 53%
Giannis is at 12.5 finishing at 64% :smh:
Kawhi is at 14 finishing at 56%

people tend to think that not getting to the line = not being aggressive or settling, in reality he's doing just fine
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Kyrie is still hitting the ground as often as ever though. He'd be better served trying to take contact here and there cause going to the line does more for your game and the team as a whole.

Steph Curry gets to the line on average as much as Kyrie and their shot distributions aren't the same, Steph shoots substantially less shots from high foul zones yet gets to the line as much which was my point.

The value of getting fouled is being under rated here.
 
leemelone said:
Crazy how Elvin Hayes is a top 10 all time scorer and only averaged 6 free throws and played without a 3 point line. Dirk top 7 with 5.5 free throws. Kareem the goat with only 6 free throws
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Elvin Hayes is 5th all time in attempts, Kareem is first. Tenth and first in makes respectively. Getting to the line and threes aren't the only way to score obviously, but I was talking about being effective on the floor and I don't think there is an argument to be made against getting to the line as a positive.

In the case of Dirk, for arguments sake if you converted all of his threes to twos he goes to 29,400 and tenth place, so shooting threes clearly helped him. Dirk is also 7th in attempts and 9th in makes
 
Who's saying it's a negative thing?? people are simply stating that if your a great offensive player you shouldn't FOCUS on getting to the line first. If that's your game & you happen to naturally draw fouls fine.

But dude's in here acting as if Kyrie should change his game that has worked extremely well & throw off his timing and habits to attempt 2-3 more FT's a game so he could be deemed "efficient" by some statisticians. His game isn't wired to draw fouls he's not great at that. he is great at breaking his man down and finishing around the basket, but he should impede that to draw more fouls >D , as if him shooting two more free throws per game is gonna make a huge difference in his game.
 
leemelone said:
It's one thing if you earn it. Whole nother thing if you're a scammer
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tyisny said:
Who's saying it's a negative thing?? people are simply stating that if your a great offensive player you shouldn't FOCUS on getting to the line first. If that's your game & you happen to naturally draw fouls fine.

But dude's in here acting as if Kyrie should change his game that has worked extremely well & throw off his timing and habits to attempt 2-3 more FT's a game so he could be deemed "efficient" by some statisticians. His game isn't wired to draw fouls he's not great at that. he is great at breaking his man down and finishing around the basket, but he should impede that to draw more fouls >D , as if him shooting two more free throws per game is gonna make a huge difference in his game.
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Its also a reputation thing. If you are known for avoiding contact when finishing, you most likely wont get the benefit of the doubt on foul calls

Look at the Cs/Bucks game, Kyrie was definitely fouled twice by Bledsoe but since he's known for avoiding that contact, it aint getting called.
 
tyisny said:
Who's saying it's a negative thing?? people are simply stating that if your a great offensive player you shouldn't FOCUS on getting to the line first. If that's your game & you happen to naturally draw fouls fine.

But dude's in here acting as if Kyrie should change his game that has worked extremely well & throw off his timing and habits to attempt 2-3 more FT's a game so he could be deemed "efficient" by some statisticians. His game isn't wired to draw fouls he's not great at that. he is great at breaking his man down and finishing around the basket, but he should impede that to draw more fouls >D , as if him shooting two more free throws per game is gonna make a huge difference in his game.
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So you think people are saying Kyrie should get to the line more, just so he's perceived as more efficient? Not because it would help the C's and he as a whole? Really :lol:

You don't see how the benefits of Kyrie getting to the line more goes beyond an efficiency fetish? Aight man :lol:
 
Kyrie getting to the line more does a lot. From getting his team into the penalty, helping his teammates get to the line more because of being in the bonus, easier shot, more points on the board, more efficient offense, sets your defense, I mean,

And that's not mentioning how beneficial it is in the playoffs when your best player can get to the line, when offensive efficiency drops dramatically, and defense is better.

simply saying that it's just 2 more free throws and that it's insignificant is silly.
 
tyisny said:
Who's saying it's a negative thing?? people are simply stating that if your a great offensive player you shouldn't FOCUS on getting to the line first. If that's your game & you happen to naturally draw fouls fine.

But dude's in here acting as if Kyrie should change his game that has worked extremely well & throw off his timing and habits to attempt 2-3 more FT's a game so he could be deemed "efficient" by some statisticians. His game isn't wired to draw fouls he's not great at that. he is great at breaking his man down and finishing around the basket, but he should impede that to draw more fouls >D , as if him shooting two more free throws per game is gonna make a huge difference in his game.
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That isn't what I said at all... And I even said that getting to the line benefits the team as a whole in ways past getting the two shots
 
tyisny said:
But dude's in here acting as if Kyrie should change his game that has worked extremely well & throw off his timing and habits to attempt 2-3 more FT's a game so he could be deemed "efficient" by some statisticians. His game isn't wired to draw fouls he's not great at that. he is great at breaking his man down and finishing around the basket, but he should impede that to draw more fouls D , as if him shooting two more free throws per game is gonna make a huge difference in his game.
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No one is saying he should change his whole game.

A rip through or pump fake in the paint every now and then could potentially lead to and extra 2-3 points per game. Puts even more pressure on the defense + helps his team. That's all.

amitt5504 said:
Its also a reputation thing. If you are known for avoiding contact when finishing, you most likely wont get the benefit of the doubt on foul calls
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Some guys are just so strong that fouls don't affect their shot much.

I remember watching Melo on the Knicks get hacked down low but he was strong enough to power through the contact. He wouldn't always make the shot but it affected it.

If he exaggerated the contact even just a little bit he would've gotten more calls.
 
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