Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

[black migo]

Perhaps your standards of an all time great, are simply not high enough then.

Out of the all time top five posts, each one of these players changed the game.

Wilt
Russell
Oscar
Kareem
Jordan

So Kobe should now be argued as being better than Oscar, because he can use a crossover while on nationwide television?

Really?

Y'all need to stop playin'!

70% of the players in the 60's wouldnt touch a nba floor in todays game and 70% is being generous, russell, oscar and wilts numbers and accomplishments are great but theyre overrated to a certain degree if your gonna compare to the level of competition today

Kobe> oscar, you dont have to watch oscar growing up to to notice that

 

[Cashflow]

Homers Will Be Homers

Get a head start on being an assistant

Y'all ****** talking out y'all *** when there is no free agency moves or games on, Jesus.

Add in the fact only the Knicks have shown serious interest. He got his ring already so ring chasing isn't an option.

 

[reggiekiller]

I'm saying the era of NBA basketball that Bill Russell played in with 10 teams full of players that didn't have basketball as a primary focus is watered down compared to an era of 30 teams who have devoted their lives to basketball from aau to college to the league. Because of that, I feel comfortable saying that Kobe is right up there in the upper echelon with Russ.
That isn't the criteria for watered down.

Cool to see you skipped the other post detailing his resume for top 10 status

 

[shoeking2101]

Allen Iverson is best basketball player of all time.

Top 5-Top 10 idc idc idc (srs)

 

[Animal Thug]

We're talking about a bunch of players that even our moms and dads never had the opportunity to watch....enough.

 

[bhzmafia14]

Clifton McNeely >

 

[marath0n]

You know what's not fun to talk about? Kobe and your personal love for Kobe.

Lots actually going on to discuss.

Then discuss. Nobodys stopping anybody.

Perhaps your standards of an all time great, are simply not high enough then.

Out of the all time top five posts, each one of these players changed the game.

Wilt
Russell
Oscar
Kareem
Jordan

So Kobe should now be argued as being better than Oscar, because he can use a crossover while on nationwide television?

Really?

Y'all need to stop playin'!

70% of the players in the 60's wouldnt touch a nba floor in todays game and 70% is being generous, russell, oscar and wilts numbers and accomplishments are great but theyre overrated to a certain degree if your gonna compare to the level of competition today

Kobe> oscar, you dont have to watch oscar growing up to to notice that

Amen.

I'm saying the era of NBA basketball that Bill Russell played in with 10 teams full of players that didn't have basketball as a primary focus is watered down compared to an era of 30 teams who have devoted their lives to basketball from aau to college to the league. Because of that, I feel comfortable saying that Kobe is right up there in the upper echelon with Russ.

Watered down 'eh? You do realize that in order for something to be watered down, that it has to be full to begin with, right? You can also say that those guys back then didn't need an AAU, as these guys do today. They are not any better than Russ was, yet they are always running to people like Hakeem , as did Kobe, to learn about playing in the post.

Each one of these players, Wilt, Russ, Oscar, Kareem, Jordan, added something to the game that was not there before, therefore changing the game, forcing it to evolve, elevating it.

What has Kobe done to share in that company?

Bro, I'm not arguing semantics with you. The league was watered down back then. Again.
10 teams. Part time hoopers.
Hakeem is a bad example for you man. He's from this era and has best post offense of all time. Hakeem in his prime would feast in any era.

Kobe hasn't changed the game like they have. He basically replicated the Jordan model, and succeed at it. Still one of the greatest in my eyes. He has dominated a stacked era making plays on the court and achieving feats as a guard that we may never see again.

Good discussion, lets move on.
Let's agree to disagree.
I'll even let you have the last word.

 

[shoeking2101]

this isn't a watered down era? these are lebrons and vince carters he is swatting left and right? look how weak they are attacking the basket, most of them probably can't even get rim. nowadays you have fringe players like josh mcroberts throwing down 360 eastbays. also wilt shot 10% better from the field and they were basically the same era so no excuse. all I'm saying is that he might be a lil overrated, especially when people act like dwight is so inferior to him

Understand though, these were the best players at that time. Therefore, If Dwight, McRoberts, etc. were playing back then they would be inhibited by the times there playing in. Dwight today wouldn't be the Dwight of back then. They didn't have the technological advances that the current players have. So to compare them to the players of today is flat out unfair.

They were great players for their time. However, I do agree with you in that most of the players that played in the 60's can't be considered top 5, 10, even because of the times they played in. Hell an average player in the league today would be considered the greatest of all time if they played back then. This is precisely why its dumb as hell to compare across generations.

It's also why I used to (and still do) believe that the concept of the greatest player of all time is soooo stupid, but I digress. There's no such thing as top 5, top 10, greatest of all time.

 

[marath0n]

I'm saying the era of NBA basketball that Bill Russell played in with 10 teams full of players that didn't have basketball as a primary focus is watered down compared to an era of 30 teams who have devoted their lives to basketball from aau to college to the league. Because of that, I feel comfortable saying that Kobe is right up there in the upper echelon with Russ.
That isn't the criteria for watered down.

Cool to see you skipped the other post detailing his resume for top 10 status

I really hope for your sake and your dignity that y'all are the same person

I missed his post the first time. Just read it.
Regardless It has no bearing on how he played the game. Influential? Pioneer? Broke barriers? Absolutely.
He's an 06 Ben Wallace in today's league.

Let's agree to disagree.

 

[black migo]

So now Kobe has led the league in scoring AND assists, without the three point shot?

Amazing! When did this happen?

You comparing stats when I said oscars numbers are overrated if your going to compare him to a player in todays game because of the competition. In terms of a basketball player kobe> oscar, in terms of numbers oscar>kobe


Just look at how the game was played back in the 60's compared to today, im pretty sure theirs alot of players in todays game that can put up oscars numbers

 

[marath0n]

this isn't a watered down era? these are lebrons and vince carters he is swatting left and right? look how weak they are attacking the basket, most of them probably can't even get rim. nowadays you have fringe players like josh mcroberts throwing down 360 eastbays. also wilt shot 10% better from the field and they were basically the same era so no excuse. all I'm saying is that he might be a lil overrated, especially when people act like dwight is so inferior to him

Understand though, these were the best players at that time. Therefore, If Dwight, McRoberts, etc. were playing back then they would be inhibited by the times there playing in. Dwight today wouldn't be the Dwight of back then. They didn't have the technological advances that the current players have. So to compare them to the players of today is flat out unfair.

They were great players for their time. However, I do agree with you in that most of the players that played in the 60's can't be considered top 5, 10, even because of the times they played in. Hell an average player in the league today would be considered the greatest of all time if they played back then. This is precisely why its dumb as hell to compare across generations.

It's also why I used to (and still do) believe that the concept of the greatest player of all time is soooo stupid, but I digress. There's no such thing as top 5, top 10, greatest of all time.

Agreed. I now take this stance.


Billups retiring a Piston

 

[T0INE]

Always the same ******g idiots that take the bait and get caught up in these pointless arguments.

And the end result is always the same, Kobe stans vs. LeBron stans for the 12389389893493 time.

There are a multitude of threads in S&T for both factions to get their rocks off, don't pollute this thread with that nonsense.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

watered down leagues shouldn't matter. kobe's an all time great regardless. second best shooting guard behind MJ. deal with it.

 

[mister friendly]

The mods have removed Running Thangz posts, I guess thats the cue to ignore him and his latest attempt at a thread derailment

Anyways I havent watched much of the Pistons lately but hopefully with these latest signings coupled with the holdover pieces they can be competitive again.

 

[awwsome]

If the ghost of Billups is capable that pistons team makes the playoffs.

And loses 4-1 in the first round

Being a bottomfeeder playoff team is the worst position as a franchise, idk why teams strive for that.

 

[mister friendly]

If the ghost of Billups is capable that pistons team makes the playoffs.

And loses 4-1 in the first round

Being a bottomfeeder playoff team is the worst position as a franchise, idk why teams strive for that.

Because its better than being a lottery team, there's only so many superstars coming out.

 

[mister friendly]

If the ghost of Billups is capable that pistons team makes the playoffs.

And loses 4-1 in the first round

Being a bottomfeeder playoff team is the worst position as a franchise, idk why teams strive for that.

Because its better than being a lottery team, there's only so many superstars coming out.

 

[abubakr shaheed]

And loses 4-1 in the first round

Being a bottomfeeder playoff team is the worst position as a franchise, idk why teams strive for that.

indy was a first round bounce 3 years ago, went to the second rd last year and ECF this most recent season.

that being said billups is a horrible basketball player now. if he got paid more than less than the minimum they paid too much

 

[nflowshoe]

So according to a ESPN story, Dwight just wanted the Lakers to consider redoing Kobe’s contract because he was old and injured and wanted them to use the money for more players. Get rid of Nash and Gasol and go after his friend Chris Paul. Paul told Howard he would sign with the Lakers if they had cap space. The Lakers told him No, then Kobe release statements saying he will play 3 more years and he won’t take a pay cut.... Sounds like the Lakers didn’t want Howard there as much as he didn’t want to be there.

 

[marath0n]

Please allow me to be the first to apologize for falling for the bait

Sorry bros.

 

[noblekane]

homie hung out that kobe bait...

nd yall bit..smh...






the more things change the more they stay the same...

yup.

you guys reply to the doo be doo wanna be and dont cry when this thread looks like a total mess

 

[noblekane]

The mods have removed Running Thangz posts, I guess thats the cue to ignore him and his latest attempt at a thread derailment

Its time they remove him as well. They know who he is and he is still allowed to join this board. He needs to get the zodogg treatment

my god You all did pages of dude and his hatred for kobe

I see 130 new posts and think a big trade happened nope

 

[noblekane]

So according to a ESPN story, Dwight just wanted the Lakers to consider redoing Kobe’s contract because he was old and injured and wanted them to use the money for more players. Get rid of Nash and Gasol and go after his friend Chris Paul. Paul told Howard he would sign with the Lakers if they had cap space. The Lakers told him No, then Kobe release statements saying he will play 3 more years and he won’t take a pay cut.... Sounds like the Lakers didn’t want Howard there as much as he didn’t want to be there.

this sounds like bull. how were they going to sign paul? impossible to make cap space for this year. what was he gonna do take one of those suspicious 1 year deals? yea right

 

[antidope]

[emoji]128161[/emoji] So I see guys like Smith, Paul, and many others have "officially" signed their contracts but Dwight has yet to do so... Are the Lakers working on a sign and trade since the process isn't over yet?

 

[essential1]

So according to a ESPN story, Dwight just wanted the Lakers to consider redoing Kobe’s contract because he was old and injured and wanted them to use the money for more players. Get rid of Nash and Gasol and go after his friend Chris Paul. Paul told Howard he would sign with the Lakers if they had cap space. The Lakers told him No, then Kobe release statements saying he will play 3 more years and he won’t take a pay cut.... Sounds like the Lakers didn’t want Howard there as much as he didn’t want to be there.

this sounds like bull. how were they going to sign paul? impossible to make cap space for this year. what was he gonna do take one of those suspicious 1 year deals? yea right

Have to amnesty Kobe.. Trade Pau and Nash without taking contract back.. He was never serious about returning to LA.