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Libertarians tend to have conservative (economic) agenda. I'm more of the opposite, a statist. Those are people who believe in liberal economic policy likethe democrats do and less social freedom to an extent.
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Dirtylicious wrote:
I'll post something from a person's words that I respect...
Libertarianism is becoming really popular among spoiled kids these days. Their perception is that it hails individual privilege over all else and forsakes any sort of social obligation that isn't 100% voluntary. To these casual observers, it's really the pinnacle of privilege, and they revel in it because they're bristling at the MINIMAL constraints on their freedom that absolutely pale in comparison with the constraints imposed on the truly disadvantaged. On top of everything else, they're so spoiled as to whine that they shouldn't be made to feel guilty or responsible for the suffering of others - even though, in the current free market system, their privilege, their advantage, their surplus, is a PRODUCT of that suffering.
To that end, and with regard to the quote, I say DAMN. EFFING. SKIPPY.
What's funny? Did he make a joke? Is he here to amuse you? Of all the democrats/liberals here I'll concede that you're the mostprincipled and smartest of the bunch and I like you for that but your interpretation of the word 'liberal' has been twisted and turned to meansomething its not. (if this directed to los yankees forget I typed it, if not I still stand by my comments.)Originally Posted by Essential1
Originally Posted by Los Yankees
Classical liberals like myself
. Oh boy.
Originally Posted by da703trailblaza
What's funny? Did he make a joke? Is he here to amuse you? Of all the democrats/liberals here I'll concede that you're the most principled and smartest of the bunch and I like you for that but your interpretation of the word 'liberal' has been twisted and turned to mean something its not. (if this directed to los yankees forget I typed it, if not I still stand by my comments.)Originally Posted by Essential1
Originally Posted by Los Yankees
Classical liberals like myself
. Oh boy.
Los Yankees good point about the old right, but seriously whose left? Today's Republicans mostly consist of neo-cons. When I made that comment I was thinking more of today's right rather than conservatives of today. On the violent front, abortion is the one issue I struggle with trying to reconcile my belief that a woman is free to chose and my belief of life.
A lot of you have a skewed perception of what Libertarianism entails and believes in. We are nothing like Republicans, though they espouse similar ideals. We are nothing like Democrats. Both parties believe in a strong interventionist government regardless of size large verse small. The former to enforce it;s theocratic social agenda the latter a welfare social agenda, Libertarians tend to be more skeptical of those who seek or are in power.
Just because somebody claims to be a libertarian does not mean that they are one. Mostly the clowns you see on TV. Not sure if he is one but I really John Stossel and his show on Fox Business (not to be confused with Fox News.
I'd love to add more but Rex and Los Yankee more or less shut it down
He is though.Originally Posted by Essential1
Originally Posted by Los Yankees
Classical liberals like myself
. Oh boy.
Essential1 wrote:
This is why the view is like that. I'll help you understand. And of course not everyone claiming to be liberal is liberal (Liebermann) and not every Libertarian is Libertarian (Glenn Beck is a @$%+%*+ fool. That should be his ideology).. When there is a debate the libertarian ends up holding the conservative view point over 3/4 of the time(it's not 100% and more than 50% so Im taking the middle). And since I am not a purist and don't believe that being 1% off means you are not that, It makes you conservative. I hold different viewpoints from the liberal prospective from time to time. And I am much more in the center when it comes to war, does that make me no longer a liberal? Hell no. It makes me more so.
BY your own admission (you said that you started following politics in 200, your sample size would be too small. Most of the debates of the last two yearshave been abnormally weighted on economics and the role of government and the rule of law in our lives. Over the last year and a half, economic issue aftereconomic issue has been at the forefront so it your time following politics, most visible issue have been points in which libertarians and many Conservativeswould agree. If you had been watching politics during a different set of years, when things like abortion, prayer in school, the drug war, gay marriage andother "social issues" were at the top of the public agenda, you would have seen libertarians siding frequently with people like you.
Originally Posted by Rexanglorum
Essential1 wrote:
This is why the view is like that. I'll help you understand. And of course not everyone claiming to be liberal is liberal (Liebermann) and not every Libertarian is Libertarian (Glenn Beck is a @$%+%*+ fool. That should be his ideology).. When there is a debate the libertarian ends up holding the conservative view point over 3/4 of the time(it's not 100% and more than 50% so Im taking the middle). And since I am not a purist and don't believe that being 1% off means you are not that, It makes you conservative. I hold different viewpoints from the liberal prospective from time to time. And I am much more in the center when it comes to war, does that make me no longer a liberal? Hell no. It makes me more so.