NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[Johnny_Cakes]

Green Bay will eventually become the last team that managed to stay home in a smaller market, sadly.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

I see this quote and raise you an Ziggy Ansah. Even Vegas thinks so.

Jarvis Jones is @ the same odds that Ziggy is, no?

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Green Bay will eventually become the last team that managed to stay home in a smaller market, sadly.

Sabres are sticking it out so far... Would love for a team to come to the Capital Region of NY though... This area would kill for a pro sports team.

 

[RyGuy45]

Los Angeles continues to be worth more to the NFL sitting empty than it does if an actual team played there.

The entire new stadium process is so by the book that each owner eventually gets nearly everything he wants. And they know it. And play us for fools.

 

[airjordan jb23]

Unfortunate situation for the Dolphins... The Marlins really screwed them with their stadium. I can't imagine them playing somewhere else though.

 

[jpzx]

It obviously happens a lot that a linebacker wins the award, but cornerbacks and safeties have a better chance to WOW folks on replays just on interceptions and interceptions that get returned for TDs if they're lucky enough to get those opportunities.

You know what I just looked up 2009 because that's what I was basing the majority of that thought above on.

Cushing beat Byrd.

 

[sb]

the city of miami will pay for the stadium sooner or later smh.

 

[jj watt]

It obviously happens a lot that a linebacker wins the award, but cornerbacks and safeties have a better chance to WOW folks on replays just on interceptions and interceptions that get returned for TDs if they're lucky enough to get those opportunities.

You know what

I just looked up 2009 because that's what I was basing the majority of that thought above on.

Cushing beat Byrd.

 

[RyGuy45]

From Deadspin today:

The process of financing Carolina Panther's Bank of America Stadium renovations has been a controversial one. At a Jan. 14 closed meeting, the city council voted to double the city's food and beverage tax to provide $144 million to the Panthers. Four journalists then took the city to court, claiming that conducting that business in secret was illegal:

“We contend the city violated Judge Snepp’s injunction and the N.C. Open Meetings Law with closed discussions and a secret tax vote. The mayor and city council have grown increasingly arrogant in handling public business behind closed doors. They now seek a major tax hike as if it were some private matter.”

It turns out the meeting was closed to reporters, but not to the man pushing the tax hikes: Panthers owner Jerry Richardson. WFAE reports today that Richardson sat in on multiple closed city council sessions, including that climactic Jan. 14 meeting, and was even allowed to make his case with implied blackmail just minutes before the vote was conducted:

He saw their reaction when Hagemann and Kimble warned that the Panthers were "ripe for courting" and Los Angeles was lurking to nab a team. He heard council members explore various taxes they could tap to fund the stadium and wonder if they could tie the team to Charlotte for more than ten years.

Then Richardson stood to remind the council how he'd "gone to bat for the city" by getting the NFL to change its opening day for the Democratic National Convention. And he shared a not-so-subtle story about how he quit the NFL after his third year playing because they offered him $250 short of the $10,000 contract he thought he was worth.

The system, every system, is rigged in the favor of the powerful; the council voted 7-2 in favor of funding the stadium. The state later killed that bill, but two weeks ago the council met again—this time in a public session—and voted unanimously to give the Panthers $87.5 million of existing tax revenue.

 

[lightweight champion]

Raising taxes isn't the only, or best, way to do it Charlotte.

 

[do work son]

Hey remember when I said an owner can just say give me the money or I'll take the team and leave? Yeah.

 

[rrlegend]

owners strong arming the cities now 

. that marlins fiasco is the best thing to happen to owners and the worst thing to happen to fans/ city. they know the city is gonna cave in eventually but  how many other cities are viable options for these teams to move to? l.a. is the obvious answer but after them what cities are there omaha, salt lake, san antonio ?

 

[lightweight champion]

For cities with teams that don't have leases to stadiums, yeah it's the worst thing that can happen.

 

[finallyfamous]

I would say Columbus because they can do it, but no way 3 NFL teams in Ohio.. NBA team would be different.

 

[jj watt]

I always find it interesting when these NFL teams just say "oh well, we can just go if you don't give us what we want".

Doesn't the NFL have to agree? Don't the other owners have to agree? Doesn't a stadium and location need to be ready to absorb a NFL team?

Outside of LA what city/state can support a NFL team?

I think these owners are just playing chicken at this point...seeing who's gonna blink first.

 

[do work son]

Yeah but why wouldn't the other owners agree? It gives them leverage as a group for when their fanbase doesn't want to play ball. I remember once reading about how the businesses in the area around wherever the cavs play taking a huge hit after Bron left.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9252657

Stay classy Titus

 

[jpzx]

I mean, they obviously nailed the jackpot with Calvin... but the problems with Charles Rogers, Titus Young, etc.!

WOW.

 

[ag 47]

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9252657

Stay classy Titus

OMG.

He really couldn't wait 24 hours.

 

[young thundercat]

Gawd I hate Richardson.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

I mean, they obviously nailed the jackpot with Calvin... but the problems with Charles Rogers, Titus Young, etc.!

WOW.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9252657

Stay classy Titus

OMG.

He really couldn't wait 24 hours.

Real talk I hate this guy but dude actually needs help.

What sane human being breaks into the impound? Its just sad

Time to put him on the celebrity death watch list.

 

[rrlegend]

my man in his 2nd childhood 

. i never understand how some people cant get it together especially athletes thats been disciplined from pee-wee leagues to the pros or why they wait to get to the pros to start messing up. your a pro so anything your name is attached too thats negative is gonna be out there and if your a marginal pro that damn near career suicide.

 

[RyGuy45]

I always find it interesting when these NFL teams just say "oh well, we can just go if you don't give us what we want".

Doesn't the NFL have to agree? Don't the other owners have to agree? Doesn't a stadium and location need to be ready to absorb a NFL team?

Outside of LA what city/state can support a NFL team?

I think these owners are just playing chicken at this point...seeing who's gonna blink first.

This is exactly why L.A. has been such a godsend for the NFL. Major market, supposedly "new stadium ready to go" and investors ready. Each NFL market the last 20 years, literally each market, that has had stadium "issues" has brought up moving to L.A. as their trump card.

The question has always been once L.A. finally gets a team, what happens then? How does the blackmail change? No one knows....and that is why there has been no serious movement getting an actual team into L.A.

These owners know they could be playing in junior high school sand lots and they still are raking in money like you cannot believe plus can eventually sell for at least double what they paid. It isn't about competing or "we can't sustain this team here." It's about having the biggest d**k in the room at the annual owner meetings and each owner wants shiny new toys.

 

[airjordan jb23]

Titus Young

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

I always find it interesting when these NFL teams just say "oh well, we can just go if you don't give us what we want".

Doesn't the NFL have to agree? Don't the other owners have to agree? Doesn't a stadium and location need to be ready to absorb a NFL team?

Outside of LA what city/state can support a NFL team?

I think these owners are just playing chicken at this point...seeing who's gonna blink first.

This is exactly why L.A. has been such a godsend for the NFL. Major market, supposedly "new stadium ready to go" and investors ready. Each NFL market the last 20 years, literally each market, that has had stadium "issues" has brought up moving to L.A. as their trump card.

The question has always been once L.A. finally gets a team, what happens then? How does the blackmail change? No one knows....and that is why there has been no serious movement getting an actual team into L.A.

These owners know they could be playing in junior high school sand lots and they still are raking in money like you cannot believe plus can eventually sell for at least double what they paid. It isn't about competing or "we can't sustain this team here." It's about having the biggest d**k in the room at the annual owner meetings and each owner wants shiny new toys.

Really strong points. That makes me think that the NFL won't make LA an NFL home until expansion is agreed to. I know the Raiders have been using LA as leverage for years now, and LA may very well be in the lead to take them back, but the length of time that's occurred without the Raiders up and leaving tells me that they might rather stay in Northern California.