NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[100027]

I think you see in that clip both the obvious fact that the line was>>>>> than Alexander himself, but also that he was pretty talented at taking advantage of the huge holes they created for him.

 

[T0INE]

 

Sheesh.

He was flying down the field on that block too.

Very impressive for someone his size.

 

[DeadsetAce]

The guy who voted for Brady should have his vote taken away immediately. What a clown.

 

[a55a5in11]

Alexander was talented. But he benefited TREMENDOUSLY from a HOF left side of the line.

what great running back other than Sanders didn't benefit from a great line
stupid argument to discredit a player

 

[100027]

I don't personally consider Alexander to be a "great" running back if you are talking from an all-time perspective.

 

[a55a5in11]

tell me where im wrong. Nobody that was watching football during his prime was saying this. This topic started after Hutchison left, but people love to leave out Alexander had a broken foot

 

[100027]

Sure he had a great peak. But one thing all the all-time great RBs share was sustained success over their whole career, and Alexander did not have that.

And I think the presence of Jones, Hutch and Mack Strong is a very legitimate argument.

 

[100027]

I'm also bitter about how he played once he got his contract.

 

[a55a5in11]

No average player is setting an NFL all-time record no matter how great his line is

 

[tommyicerocking]

i got work from 2-10 tomorrow, so i'm going to miss the game

 

[Hahahaha]

No average player is setting an NFL all-time record no matter how great his line is

So I guess Nick Foles is HOF bound

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[a55a5in11]

No average player is setting an NFL all-time record no matter how great his line is

So I guess Nick Foles is HOF bound

ZIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGG

Both you tards fail. Foles didn't set any records. Tie =/= breaking

 

[Hahahaha]

Wait, he still holds the record. He set a record, whether he's alone or not doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter to me, Alexander is as forgettable as Terrell Davis or Priest Holmes. Some good seasons but no one brings up those guys.

 

[renegade34474]

Alexander= guilty of grand larceny .. as a seahawk fan i can't see how you missed this

 

[potatoglasses]

From what I remember, Alexander benefited quite a bit from having good vision and he was great with cutbacks. And then he kind of stopped having that when he broke his foot and got that contract.

I definitely thought it was more a product of the line and great blocking schemes. His performance trailed quite a bit after Hutch left.

 

[marz]

Wait, he still holds the record. He set a record, whether he's alone or not doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter to me, Alexander is as forgettable as Terrell Davis or Priest Holmes. Some good seasons but no one brings up those guys.

Wait..what? No one talks about TD??

blasphemy

 

[freddie black]

Wasn't even going to touch that one.

2,000 yards and 21 TDs speaks for itself. And he sat out 8 full quarters that season.

 

[Hahahaha]

TD had two ridiculous years and two good years. He gets talked about more than Priest or Alexander because he had a 2000 yard season and his rings.

Denver also had a monster line for like 10 years. You could put anyone back there and they were rushing for at least 1200 yards. But lets look at his entire career or did you guys forget about his last three years

 

[marz]

TD had two great seasons and one good season. That was it. He gets talked about more than Priest or Alexander because he had a 2000 yard season and his rings.

Denver also had a monster line for like 10 years. You could put anyone back there and they were rushing for at least 1200 yards

Ummm lets see...as stated, OVER 2,000 yards and 21 TDs, league MVP, Super Bowl MVP... Please, SMH at you lumping the legend that is TD with Holmes and Alexander.

 

[freddie black]

TD had two great seasons and one good season. That was it. He gets talked about more than Priest or Alexander because he had a 2000 yard season and his rings.

Denver also had a monster line for like 10 years. You could put anyone back there and they were rushing for at least 1200 yards

1100 and 7

1500 and 13

1700 and 15

2000 and 21

Looks more like one good season, two great seasons, and one prolific season.

If we're discussing these backs in the context of the HOF then you would probably be right in that none exhibited the longevity and sustained success you expect from a player in order to reward them with such an honor. But to say that no one brings up three record setting RBs when talking about great players that played that position is out of pocket.

Also, the Denver offensive lines post-2000 were never that great. It was more scheme than anything else.

 

[Hahahaha]

Priest Holmes had 27 rushing TDs one season. That was the record at the time but we'll act like that's not a big deal. Priest had 2-3 great seasons like TD.

Then Shaun ran for 1800 yards + and 27 rushing TDs. He had 3-4 great seasons but he's not Terrell Davis.

All these RBs have one thing in common....they were only great for 2-4 seasons and then disappeared.

TD had the least amount of TDs and yards out of all three of these RBs.

None of these RBs are cracking the top 20. They peaked and disappeared

 

[marz]

TD had two ridiculous years and two good years. He gets talked about more than Priest or Alexander because he had a 2000 yard season and his rings.

Denver also had a monster line for like 10 years. You could put anyone back there and they were rushing for at least 1200 yards. But lets look at his entire career or did you guys forget about his last three years

Cmon man, TD never fully recovered from an ACL tear. You act like he started every game his last three yrs. With TD's bum knees aside, I've never, to this day, seen a RB run the way TD did. It was a sight to see. That 98' season is legendary.

 

[Hahahaha]

^ no one said he was trash and never had a good season. During his prime, I'm pretty sure most fans liked the guy. I did. All I'm saying is, just because Shaun Alexander set a record....doesn't mean he's a great. Those batch of RBs aren't mentioned often for a reason.

out of all three RBs I listed, Terrell was the only one I liked

 

[marz]

Priest Holmes had 27 rushing TDs one season. That was the record at the time but we'll act like that's not a big deal. Priest had 2-3 great seasons like TD.

Then Shaun ran for 1800 yards + and 27 rushing TDs. He had 3-4 great seasons but he's not Terrell Davis.

All these RBs have one thing in common....they were only great for 2-4 seasons and then disappeared.

TD had the least amount of TDs and yards out of all three of these RBs.

None of these RBs are cracking the top 20. They peaked and disappeared

Well, Freddie Black wasn't kidding. TD really did sit out 8 full quarters that 98' season. Still amassed 2008 yrds and 21 TDs. Dickerson's record would've been shattered if otherwise.

 

[freddie black]

You still need talent to run schemes.

Houston runs a ZBS and the right side the Oline was horrid this season cause the players weren't that good.

You can hide your deficiencies for only so long.

Right, that's why Denver's rushing attack began to precipitously tail off towards the end of Shanahan's tenure. He was able to churn out passable rushing attacks after Portis was traded from '04-'06 but it eventually caught up and they struggled mightily on the ground his last two seasons because there was never a huge emphasis on landing franchise players at any particular position on the line until his last season when they went and took Clady in the 1st.