NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[SneakerProSr.]

Because in the history of the Super Bowl, usually the team with a top tier better defense limits the firepower of the offense. The team with the better offense has won before, but not significantly (Rams/Titans). And they did play the Saints. At home, yes, but they seriously rendered that entire offense useless on both occassions. The physicality of their defense destroyed that Saints offense and the games weren't even that close.

It's the Super Bowl. Forget all this "Seattle can't win on the road." For one, they can, but two...this is a neutral field and again...it's the SB. They'll feed off the crowd and the stage of the game just the same as a home game.

So the New Orleans offense was rendered useless in that second game?

Interesting.


The Saint Louis Rams rendered the New Orleans Saints offense "useless" too on the road.

 

[651akathepaul]

For the most part, yes. The game was closer and NO got it going in the second half and the second half only, but at that point the game was completely different as well as the game plan for both teams.

Brees with 34 passing yards in the first half and the Saints shut out for the first 3 quarters? Pretty frickin' useless. No argument here sneakerp.

Seattle's defense also made Graham invisible for the second time this season. He had just three receptions in the first meeting in December and was even less of an option on Saturday.

Graham's lack of production was just part of the Saints struggles, especially in the first half. New Orleans was shut out in the first half for the third time in Sean Payton's tenure as head coach and first since 2011. Brees was held to 34 yards passing in the half.

 

[coltfanb]

Because in the history of the Super Bowl, usually the team with a top tier better defense limits the firepower of the offense. The team with the better offense has won before, but not significantly (Rams/Titans). And they did play the Saints. At home, yes, but they seriously rendered that entire offense useless on both occassions. The physicality of their defense destroyed that Saints offense and the games weren't even that close.


It's the Super Bowl. Forget all this "Seattle can't win on the road." For one, they can, but two...this is a neutral field and again...it's the SB. They'll feed off the crowd and the stage of the game just the same as a home game.

"History of the super bowl" ... so you are telling me because it happened in prior super bowls it has to happen in this one?

 

[Retto]

27-23 Denver.

Too many weapons.

 

[651akathepaul]

Because in the history of the Super Bowl, usually the team with a top tier better defense limits the firepower of the offense. The team with the better offense has won before, but not significantly (Rams/Titans). And they did play the Saints. At home, yes, but they seriously rendered that entire offense useless on both occassions. The physicality of their defense destroyed that Saints offense and the games weren't even that close.


It's the Super Bowl. Forget all this "Seattle can't win on the road." For one, they can, but two...this is a neutral field and again...it's the SB. They'll feed off the crowd and the stage of the game just the same as a home game.

"History of the super bowl" ... so you are telling me because it happened it prior super bowls it has to happen in this one?

Okay. Let's ignore what we know then and just blindly assume that everything in this particular matchup will be completely different.

Again, history of the SB sides with defense. The fact that Seattle hasn't lost by more than 7 in 44 games suggests another close game here. Seattle having the exact personnel to be the only team that has a chance to match Denver's recievers man to man is also thrown out. Let's just forget everything. C'mon man...

 

[Chester McFloppy]

For the most part, yes. The game was closer and NO got it going in the second half and the second half only, but at that point the game was completely different as well as the game plan for both teams.

Brees with 34 passing yards in the first half and the Saints shut out for the first 3 quarters? Pretty frickin' useless. No argument here sneakerp.

Seattle's defense also made Graham invisible for the second time this season. He had just three receptions in the first meeting in December and was even less of an option on Saturday.

Graham's lack of production was just part of the Saints struggles, especially in the first half. New Orleans was shut out in the first half for the third time in Sean Payton's tenure as head coach and first since 2011. Brees was held to 34 yards passing in the half.

Jimmy Graham also had 3 receptions for 44 yards against the vaunted Philly defense a week earlier.

I guess I just don't see how you can be so confident in Seattle winning, 651. You're acting like there's no way Denver can win this game.

All of the pressure is on Seattle's offense. They forced 4 turnovers against the Cardinals and lost -- at home. They forced 3 turnovers against the Niners and won by 7.

 

[651akathepaul]

I definitely think Denver can win, but I'm not buying the reasoning that I'm getting from most. Ex. They will win because Seattle hasn't faced an offense like that. Confirmation bias, if you ask me because none of it goes any further than what people see on the surface.

Breaking down this game on both sides of the ball, which I have done for days, I feel Seattle has the edge. Meaning if I lean one way, I go with Seattle, but in a close game, any one thing that you can't predict can happen making the game have a different outcome. I just give the edge to Seattle from what I know and what I've seen and evaluated.

As for Seattle's offense...I'll stand by the faith I have in Russell as a big-time QB and I feel he comes through this Sunday. If I'm wrong then so be it. Seattle loses and Russell fails. I'll call it what it is if that happens, but I don't feel that way at this particular moment.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

For the most part, yes. The game was closer and NO got it going in the second half and the second half only, but at that point the game was completely different as well as the game plan for both teams.

Brees with 34 passing yards in the first half and the Saints shut out for the first 3 quarters? Pretty frickin' useless. No argument here sneakerp.

Seattle's defense also made Graham invisible for the second time this season. He had just three receptions in the first meeting in December and was even less of an option on Saturday.

Graham's lack of production was just part of the Saints struggles, especially in the first half. New Orleans was shut out in the first half for the third time in Sean Payton's tenure as head coach and first since 2011. Brees was held to 34 yards passing in the half.

Drew Brees threw for over 300 yards with no picks and was sacked once.

The Saints rushed for over 4 yards a carry and more than 100 yards.

If that's useless I don't know what to tell you.

The Saints actually out performed what they averaged on offense on the during that playoff game.

The Saints only averaged 275 yards passing a game on the road in the regular season with Brees throwing 12 tds and 9 picks.

The Saints weren't great on the road this year versus anybody.

 

[Peep Game]

Hopefully Harvin can get like two tds before someone washes him

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I just hope Bay Bay spent these two weeks watching how Andre Johnson gave this secondary work earlier in the year.

 

[651akathepaul]

For the most part, yes. The game was closer and NO got it going in the second half and the second half only, but at that point the game was completely different as well as the game plan for both teams.

Brees with 34 passing yards in the first half and the Saints shut out for the first 3 quarters? Pretty frickin' useless. No argument here sneakerp.

Seattle's defense also made Graham invisible for the second time this season. He had just three receptions in the first meeting in December and was even less of an option on Saturday.

Graham's lack of production was just part of the Saints struggles, especially in the first half. New Orleans was shut out in the first half for the third time in Sean Payton's tenure as head coach and first since 2011. Brees was held to 34 yards passing in the half.

Drew Brees threw for over 300 yards with no picks and was sacked once.

The Saints rushed for over 4 yards a carry and more than 100 yards.

If that's useless I don't know what to tell you.

The Saints actually out performed what they averaged on offense on the during that playoff game.

The Saints only averaged 275 yards passing a game on the road in the regular season with Brees throwing 12 tds and 9 picks.

The Saints weren't great on the road this year versus anybody.

Most of those numbers came in the 4th quarter. You should know how gameplans change when you're up by so much heading into the 4th. Those are volume numbers in garbage time. Only reason this game was like this was because of that bogus hail mary-type bomb that should have definitely been picked. Then again with an onside kick. It was part of the game, but those are occurences you can't predict and things that skew perception. Seattle's defense dominated that game.

 

[coltfanb]

Okay. Let's ignore what we know then and just blindly assume that everything in this particular matchup will be completely different.


Again, history of the SB sides with defense. The fact that Seattle hasn't lost by more than 7 in 44 games suggests another close game here. Seattle having the exact personnel to be the only team that has a chance to match Denver's recievers man to man is also thrown out. Let's just forget everything. C'mon man...

you just posted about our reasoning for denver winning and actually our reasoning makes alot more sense then yours, your reasoning is because in the "history of the super bowl" the top tier defense limits the fire power offense...

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Seattle's defense dominated a game, at home, in the rain, against a team with fewer options than the Broncos AND had already played them earlier in the year.

Comparing the Saints to the Broncos is like comparing Seattle to Kansas City.

 

[finnns2003]

I see Kaep is mad with his latest garbage interview

 

[651akathepaul]

Okay. Let's ignore what we know then and just blindly assume that everything in this particular matchup will be completely different.


Again, history of the SB sides with defense. The fact that Seattle hasn't lost by more than 7 in 44 games suggests another close game here. Seattle having the exact personnel to be the only team that has a chance to match Denver's recievers man to man is also thrown out. Let's just forget everything. C'mon man...

you just posted about our reasoning for denver winning and actually our reasoning makes alot more sense then yours, your reasoning is because in the "history of the super bowl" the top tier defense limits the fire power offense...

My reasoning is not just because of that. Read my long *** post on my thoughts from about an hour ago and you'll see it goes well beyond "history of the SB." Get over that.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I just hope Bay Bay spent these two weeks watching how Andre Johnson gave this secondary work earlier in the year.

Can't replicate greatness

I was just watching highlights of the game... the catches he was making. :x

If Pick Six hadn't thrown that.. well... Pick Six... Y'all shoulda won this game.

Was interesting to see the TEs doing work down the middle, too. Denver could learn a lot from this game.

 

[coltfanb]

My reasoning is not just because of that. Read my long *** post on my thoughts from about an hour ago and you'll see it goes well beyond "history of the SB." Get over that.

well our reasoning makes alot more sense then yours does either way, but ok

 

[SneakerProSr.]

For the most part, yes. The game was closer and NO got it going in the second half and the second half only, but at that point the game was completely different as well as the game plan for both teams.

Brees with 34 passing yards in the first half and the Saints shut out for the first 3 quarters? Pretty frickin' useless. No argument here sneakerp.

Seattle's defense also made Graham invisible for the second time this season. He had just three receptions in the first meeting in December and was even less of an option on Saturday.

Graham's lack of production was just part of the Saints struggles, especially in the first half. New Orleans was shut out in the first half for the third time in Sean Payton's tenure as head coach and first since 2011. Brees was held to 34 yards passing in the half.

Drew Brees threw for over 300 yards with no picks and was sacked once.

The Saints rushed for over 4 yards a carry and more than 100 yards.

If that's useless I don't know what to tell you.

The Saints actually out performed what they averaged on offense on the during that playoff game.

The Saints only averaged 275 yards passing a game on the road in the regular season with Brees throwing 12 tds and 9 picks.

The Saints weren't great on the road this year versus anybody.

Most of those numbers came in the 4th quarter. You should know how gameplans change when you're up by so much heading into the 4th. Those are volume numbers in garbage time. Only reason this game was like this was because of that bogus hail mary-type bomb that should have definitely been picked. Then again with an onside kick. It was part of the game, but those are occurences you can't predict and things that skew perception. Seattle's defense dominated that game.

I just hope Bay Bay spent these two weeks watching how Andre Johnson gave this secondary work earlier in the year.

Actually they started moving the in 3rd. While it was a two score game then it became a one score game at the beginning of the 4th.

Lets not act like they were blowing them out.

No defensive coordinator in the world is going to play prevent defense with a freaking 8 point lead with a whole quarter to go.

 

[dmxfury]

I hear what your saying, still hate everything.associated with the steelers and.their rapist QB

Obviously you don't hear what I'm saying


This SB seems to be one of those true toss up games. I don't see how either side or fans go in overly confident.

Anyone see Kaeps comments on Sherman? Gets me pumped for them to meet next year



'Allegedly'

 

[651akathepaul]

Seattle's defense dominated a game, at home, in the rain, against a team with fewer options than the Broncos AND had already played them earlier in the year.

Comparing the Saints to the Broncos is like comparing Seattle to Kansas City.

I did not compare. It was in direct response about Seattle not having faced a great offense in general which I wanted to end that thought.

Denver's offense is much more explosive, but that in itself isn't enought to assume Denver handedly wins. All I was asking for was more depth to the discussion, which you provided, so thanks for that, but all these other "reasons" are face value attempts at stretching assumptions.

 

[law3001]

I see Kaep is mad with his latest garbage interview

I haven't watched I just read excerpts but Kap is MAD as hell lol

 

[651akathepaul]

Sneaker: I feel you're just arguing to argue with me, which you love to do for some reason, but watch that game tape, read the colums after the game. Seattle dominated. Luck skewed the numbers. No way around it. Pick your battles, bro.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Seattle's defense dominated a game, at home, in the rain, against a team with fewer options than the Broncos AND had already played them earlier in the year.

Comparing the Saints to the Broncos is like comparing Seattle to Kansas City.

I did not compare. It was in direct response about Seattle not having faced a great offense in general which I wanted to end that thought.

Denver's offense is much more explosive, but that in itself isn't enought to assume Denver handedly wins. All I was asking for was more depth to the discussion, which you provided, so thanks for that, but all these other "reasons" are face value attempts at stretching assumptions.

Like I said the New Orleans Saints were mediorce on offense on the road the entire 2013 season no matter who they played.

Seattle's defense did nothing special that day.

Only way the Broncos offense doesn't score is if its raining or really windy which aren't on forecast right now.

 

[DeadsetAce]

What did Kap say?

whole lot of nothing, basically

 

[mr marcus]

Kap saltiness is why I love football

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