NBC employee claims Bill Cosby paid off women, invited young models to dressing room.

[mood indigo]

It's not even debatable if they were slipped a drug and were unconscious.

I do not have all the answers, but is there any proof that Cosby had sex with these women, all of these accusers, while they were in their drug induced stupor?

 

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who cares if he thinks he's wrong?

like.... how does that even matter?

he's a rapist..... 

are we gonna start worrying about whether or not slave masters felt they were wrong?

I care if he thinks if he is wrong, because that determines motive. 

Why was he doing this?

Do not try and bring slavery into this, because the two are not mutually exclusive.

his motive was sexual gratification.....

you actin real sus right now...

yes... they are not mutually exclusive... which is why i was compared similar trains of thought...

is english your second language?

 

[mood indigo]

 
his motive was sexual gratification.....

you actin real sus right now...

yes... they are not mutually exclusive... which is why i was compared similar trains of thought...

is english your second language?

Do you feel slighted in some way because we share different opinions on this subject?

Because I see no need for that insult. 

Perhaps this subject is very close to you, so allow me to apologize if that is indeed the case. 

That said, rape is a disgusting crime, there is no doubt about that. However, the discussion of Slavery in this subject was used, in my estimation, to get me to agree with you, of which I disagree with that point, while admitting that they are NOT mutually exclusive.

Now, if his motive was sexual gratification, if he simply masturbated while watching them sleep, is that still considered rape?

Or would it be considered sexual assault?

This is why I remain objective, because we do not know what happened, nor what his motives were.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

New NT term: SRS (suspected rapist sympathizer)

 

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his motive was sexual gratification.....

you actin real sus right now...

yes... they are not mutually exclusive... which is why i was compared similar trains of thought...

is english your second language?

Do you feel slighted in some way because we share different opinions on this subject?

Because I see no need for that insult. 

Perhaps this subject is very close to you, so allow me to apologize if that is indeed the case. 

That said, rape is a disgusting crime, there is no doubt about that. However, the discussion of Slavery in this subject was used, in my estimation, to get me to agree with you, of which I disagree with that point, while admitting that they are NOT mutually exclusive.

Now, if his motive was sexual gratification, if he simply masturbated while watching them sleep, is that still considered rape?

Or would it be considered sexual assault?

This is why I remain objective, because we do not know what happened, nor what his motives were.

so we share different opinions right...

my opinion is that he is a rapist.... drugging women to have sex with them without their consent is rape to me...

what different opinion do you have? 

 

[squatchnt]

It's not even debatable if they were slipped a drug and were unconscious.

I do not have all the answers, but is there any proof that Cosby had sex with these women, all of these accusers, while they were in their drug induced stupor?

What's that gotta do with a hs teacher drugging a student and having sex with them while they're unconscious?

 

[mood indigo]

 
so we share different opinions right...

my opinion is that he is a rapist.... drugging women to have sex with them without their consent is rape to me...

what different opinion do you have? 

How do you know that he actually had sex with them? 

 

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Exactly.

I bet that he isn't aware of what he has done. He has reasoned it out just as I have stated above.

It is hard for people agree with, and I understand that.

There are some people who have strange fetishes, to me, out here, yet feel that there sexual preferences and desires are completely normal.

Some people like for others to take a dump on them, get urinated on, walk around in diapers while sucking on a pacifier, and then being fed like a baby. Some of these people like to watch morbid obese people eat, and then get off while watching this. There are others who like to have sex with dead people, which is illegal, as it is with animals.

The law determines whether or not they have committed a crime, but the supposed perp never really thinks that he or she, is doing anything wrong.

Let's take a close look at many of the young female teachers who are having sex with their teenage male students.

Is it rape?

You do understand that there is a difference between having a rape fetish and being an actual rapist, right?

 

[mood indigo]

What's that gotta do with a hs teacher drugging a student and having sex with them while they're unconscious?

Did that actually happen? I didn't hear of any teacher doing that.

 

[mood indigo]

You do understand that there is a difference between having a rape fetish and being an actual rapist, right?

Do you?

 

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so we share different opinions right...

my opinion is that he is a rapist.... drugging women to have sex with them without their consent is rape to me...

what different opinion do you have? 

How do you know that he actually had sex with them? 

rational deduction....

testimony that he used quaaludes for sex with women

30+ accusers of rape

etc. etc.

 

[mood indigo]

 

Of course you don't know.

But you do not want anyone else to have their own opinions on the subject either.

 

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Do you?

What kind of little kid **** is this?

I'm not the one trying to redeem Cosby by equating his wrongdoing to harmless fetishes.

 

[mood indigo]

What kind of little kid **** is this?

I'm not the one trying to redeem Cosby by equating his wrongdoing to harmless fetishes.

I never said they were harmless. 

However, here is why I am very careful in regard to people being accused of rape, especially Black men.

No crime in American history-- let alone a crime that never occurred-- produced as many trials, convictions, reversals, and retrials as did an alleged gang rape of two white girls by nine black teenagers on a Southern Railroad freight run on March 25, 1931.  Over the course of the two decades that followed, the struggle for justice of the "Scottsboro Boys," as the black teens were called, made celebrities out of anonymities, launched and ended careers, wasted lives, produced heroes, opened southern juries to blacks, exacerbated sectional strife, and divided America's political left.

Hoboing was a common pastime in the Depression year of 1931.  For some, riding freights was an appealing adventure compared to the drudgery and dreariness of their daily lives.  Others hopped rail cars to move from  one fruitless job search to the next.  Two dozen or so mainly male--and mainly young--whites and blacks rode the Southern Railroad's Chattanooga to Memphis freight on March 25, 1931. Among them were four black Chattanooga teenagers hoping to investigate a rumor of government jobs in Memphis hauling logs on the river and five other black teens from various parts of Georgia.  Four  young whites, two males and two females dressed in overalls, also rode the train, returning to Huntsville from  unsuccessful job searches in the cotton mills of Chattanooga. (LINK TO DIAGRAM OF TRAIN).

Soon after the train crossed the Alabama border, a white youth walked across the top of a tank car.  He stepped on the hand of a black youth namedHaywood Patterson,  who was hanging on to its side.  Patterson had friends aboard the train.  A stone-throwing fight erupted between white youths and a larger group of black youths.  Eventually, the blacks succeeded in forcing all but one of the members of the white gang off the train.  Patterson pulled the one remaining white youth, Orville Gilley, back onto the train after it had accelerated to a life-endangering speed.  Some of the whites forced off the train went to the stationmaster in Stevenson to report what they described as an assault by a gang of  blacks.  The stationmaster wired ahead. A posse in Paint Rock, Alabama stopped the train. (LINK TO MAP OF NORTHERN ALABAMA). Dozens of men with guns rushed at the train as it ground to a halt.  The armed men rounded up every black youth they could find.  Nine captured blacks, soon to be called "The Scottsboro Boys," were tied together with plow line, loaded on a flat back truck, and taken to a jail in Scottsboro.

Also greeted by the posse in Paint Rock were two  mill workers from Huntsville, Victoria Price  and Ruby Bates.  One or the other of the girls, either in response to a question or on their own initiative, told one of the posse members that they had been raped by a gang of twelve blacks with pistols and knives.  In the jail that March 25th, Price pointed out six of the nine boys and said that they were the ones who raped her.  The guard reportedly replied, "If those six had Miss Price, it stands to reason that the others had Miss Bates."  When one of the accused,Clarence Norris, called the girls liars he was struck by a bayonet.  A crowd of several hundred men, hoping for a good old-fashioned lynching, surrounded the Scottsboro jail the night of their arrest for rape.  Their plans were foiled, however, when Alabama's governor, B. M. Miller, ordered the National Guard to Scottsboro to protect the suspects.

Trials of the Scottsboro Boys began twelve days after their arrest in the courtroom of  Judge A. E. Hawkins.  Haywood Patterson described the scene as "one big smiling white face."  Many local newspapers had made their conclusions about the defendants before the trials began.  One headline read: "ALL NEGROES POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED BY GIRLS AND ONE WHITE BOY WHO WAS HELD PRISONER WITH PISTOL AND KNIVES WHILE NINE BLACK FIENDS COMMITTED REVOLTING CRIME."  Representing the Boys in their uphill legal battle were Stephen Roddy and Milo Moody. They were no "Dream Team."  Roddy was an unpaid and unprepared Chattanooga real estate attorney who, on the first day of trial, was "so stewed he could hardly walk straight."  Moody was a forgetful seventy-year old local attorney who hadn't tried a case in decades.

The defense lawyers demonstrated their incompetence in many ways.  They expressed a willingness to have all nine defendants tried together, despite the prejudice such a trial might cause toRoy Wright, for example, who at age twelve was the youngest of the nine Scottsboro Boys.  (The prosecution, fearing that a single trial might constitute reversible error, decided to try the defendants in groups of two or three.)   The cross-examination of Victoria Price lasted only minutes, while examining doctors R. R. Bridges and John Lynch were not cross-examined at all. Ruby Bates was not asked about contradictions between her testimony and that of Price.  The defense offered only the defendants themselves as witnesses, and their testimony was rambling, sometimes incoherent, and riddled with obvious misstatements.  Six of the boys (Andy Wright, Willie Roberson, Charles Weems, Ozie Powell, Olen Montgomery, and Eugene Williams) denied raping or even having seen the two girls.  But three others, all who later claimed they did so because of beatings and threats, said that a gang rape by other defendants did occur.  Clarence Norris provided what one paper called "the highlight of the trial" when he said of the other blacks, "They all raped her, everyone of them."  No closing argument was offered by defense attorneys. A local editorialist described the state's case as "so conclusive as to be almost perfect."

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scottsboro/SB_acct.html

 

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Of course you don't know.

But you do not want anyone else to have their own opinions on the subject either.

there is no objective knowledge of anything in the physical world... 

how do you know tomorrow is Thursday? how do you know slavery happened....

the only thing you have to rely on is evidence that is weighed on in validity by recurrence and rational deduction.

You can support a rapist... that's coo... i mean, who knows if the kkk really killed blacks? 

maybe those photos of lynchings in the 30's-40's were actually justified?

playing devils advocate without discerning rationale is an ignorant way to proceed in life...

people like you are the reason rapists get away with the crime

 

[rolaholic]

New NT term: SRS (suspected rapist sympathizer)

 

[mood indigo]

 
there is no objective knowledge of anything in the physical world... 

how do you know tomorrow is Thursday? how do you know slavery happened....

the only thing you have to rely on is evidence that is weighed on in validity by recurrence and rational deduction.

You can support a rapist... that's coo... i mean, who knows if the kkk really killed blacks? 

maybe those photos of lynchings in the 30's-40's were actually justified?

playing devils advocate without discerning rationale is an ignorant way to proceed in life...

people like you are the reason rapists get away with the crime

People like me want all of the evidence before publicly convicting someone of anything.

That said, I did not suggest that Cosby did not do anything. I stated that I want to know exactly WHAT he did, and then why.

 

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there is no objective knowledge of anything in the physical world... 

how do you know tomorrow is Thursday? how do you know slavery happened....

the only thing you have to rely on is evidence that is weighed on in validity by recurrence and rational deduction.

You can support a rapist... that's coo... i mean, who knows if the kkk really killed blacks? 

maybe those photos of lynchings in the 30's-40's were actually justified?

playing devils advocate without discerning rationale is an ignorant way to proceed in life...

people like you are the reason rapists get away with the crime

People like me want all of the evidence before publicly convicting someone of anything.

That said, I did not suggest that Cosby did not do anything. I stated that I want to know exactly WHAT he did, and then why.

we aren't "convicting" him of anything... only the court system can convict a citizen...

we are merely accusing him...

 

[squatchnt]

What's that gotta do with a hs teacher drugging a student and having sex with them while they're unconscious?

Did that actually happen? I didn't hear of any teacher doing that.

What if it did? Would it be rape and the answer is yes. It can't be a fetish to slip someone a Mickey and then hit it while they're passed out. You brought up a lot of consensual fetishes but the key word is consent.

 

[mood indigo]

 
we aren't "convicting" him of anything... only the court system can convict a citizen...

we are merely accusing him...

... and trying to shame me for not joining in on your joyride.

Don't mind me for remaining objective, then wanting all the facts.

I mean, there is plenty evidence that american  slavery actually happened, exactly as it did.

But I wasn't the one who brought that up.

 

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People like me want all of the evidence before publicly convicting someone of anything.

That said, I did not suggest that Cosby did not do anything. I stated that I want to know exactly WHAT he did, and then why.

You think you're being cautiously skeptic, but everyone else sees you as delusional.

 

[mood indigo]

What if it did? Would it be rape and the answer is yes. It can't be a fetish to slip someone a Mickey and then hit it while they're passed out. You brought up a lot of consensual fetishes but the key word is consent.

I am only discussing what has actually happened.

 

[mood indigo]

You think you're being cautiously skeptic, but everyone else sees you as delusional.

I guess that is one way of looking at it.

What if you are wrong about Cosby?

 

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I would LOVE to be wrong about Cosby because that would mean that there are 40+ women who aren't the victims of a sex crime.

 

[mood indigo]

I would LOVE to be wrong about Cosby because that would mean that there are 40+ women who aren't the victims of a sex crime.

Are you actually admitting that there is a difference between accusing someone of rape, and then accusing someone of committing a sex crime?

You do know the difference!