NBA SG rankings (damnn-near perfect)

[bijald0331]

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

What the ++#* are half those stats?

Jesus Mary and Joesph all these damn stats I think people forget to actually watch the games...

This is the go-to response.

Kelly Dwyer watches more game film than you. His opinion thus matters more than you. He picks Wade over Kobe.

Your turn.

 

[bijald0331]

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

What the ++#* are half those stats?

Jesus Mary and Joesph all these damn stats I think people forget to actually watch the games...

This is the go-to response.

Kelly Dwyer watches more game film than you. His opinion thus matters more than you. He picks Wade over Kobe.

Your turn.

 

[JD617]

I love when people dismiss stats that they don't understand. Also when they assume people don't watch games if they use stats.

DipsetGeneral wrote:

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Let's stop the trolling
 

 

[JD617]

I love when people dismiss stats that they don't understand. Also when they assume people don't watch games if they use stats.

DipsetGeneral wrote:

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Let's stop the trolling
 

 

[mayhemmonkey000]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

What the ++#* are half those stats?

Jesus Mary and Joesph all these damn stats I think people forget to actually watch the games...

This is the go-to response.

Kelly Dwyer watches more game film than you. His opinion thus matters more than you. He picks Wade over Kobe.

Your turn.

	Kelly Dwyer			504	12940	16.1	.582	.546	8.3	15.7	12.0	4.2	0.6	2.2	16.5	24.2	104	108	12.7	9.5	22.2	0.082
	Mayhem Monkey			370	14545	24.4	.558	.510	10.1	24.5	17.7	15.2	1.1	4.3	13.4	28.0	109	94	33.2	32.4	65.6	0.216

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I love when people dismiss stats that they don't understand. Also when they assume people don't watch games if they use stats.

Well no #$%$ we're gonna dismiss them because we don't understand what the hell they mean. How are we gonna comment on something we don't understand? What are the percentages for? How much of a percentage towards the team? How many attempts to how many times they succeed? The #+*%?

 

[mayhemmonkey000]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

What the ++#* are half those stats?

Jesus Mary and Joesph all these damn stats I think people forget to actually watch the games...

This is the go-to response.

Kelly Dwyer watches more game film than you. His opinion thus matters more than you. He picks Wade over Kobe.

Your turn.

	Kelly Dwyer			504	12940	16.1	.582	.546	8.3	15.7	12.0	4.2	0.6	2.2	16.5	24.2	104	108	12.7	9.5	22.2	0.082
	Mayhem Monkey			370	14545	24.4	.558	.510	10.1	24.5	17.7	15.2	1.1	4.3	13.4	28.0	109	94	33.2	32.4	65.6	0.216

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I love when people dismiss stats that they don't understand. Also when they assume people don't watch games if they use stats.

Well no #$%$ we're gonna dismiss them because we don't understand what the hell they mean. How are we gonna comment on something we don't understand? What are the percentages for? How much of a percentage towards the team? How many attempts to how many times they succeed? The #+*%?

 

[do be doo]

 

[do be doo]

 

[Girl Thats Jules]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

bijald0331 wrote:

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^You are really going to pass judgement when you just wrote this: "nobody loved jordan until he retired."

as dumb as he is, he's kind of right.


the media always used to pick against michael and the bulls. (well atleast during the last three peat)

i have like 2-3 or magazines from 1997 and 1998 and some of the stuff in there is ridiculous.

in one magazine the charlotte hornets were picked to win it all in '97

  


i think sports writers just want to create a buzz or have somethin to write about,so they pick against the favorites.


another example of this is this espn the magazine article from 2001 i recently read,that said jeramine o'neal was better than shaq.

What are you talking about? It is well-documented that the media protected MJ. Of course there were detractors. There will always be a Skip Bayless on the loose. On the overall, MJ is and was one of the most beloved athletes in modern history. How can this be an argument? The quote was "nobody loved jordan until he retired". Are you serious?

go back and read what i said

i said hes KIND of right.

the main arugement in this thread is that no matter what kobe does (wins consecutive rings) he gets no respect (sportswriters ranking dwade ahead of him)

and what noble kane said about jordan has some truth to it.

sports writers were doin the same thing to him when he was playing.

picking against him even though he had won all kinda stuff the season before

thats why i posted the thing about the hornets getting picked to win in 97 after the bulls had just won 72 games and the championship

and the shaq and jermaine oneal thing

my point was that a lot of sports writers like to pick against the favorite just to get some attention 

you want another example? well goin into the 1998 finals,the bulls were the underdogs.

looking back at it you might disagree,but at the time the media was portraying them as that




but dont get it twisted, MJ >> Kobe

 

[Girl Thats Jules]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

bijald0331 wrote:

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^You are really going to pass judgement when you just wrote this: "nobody loved jordan until he retired."

as dumb as he is, he's kind of right.


the media always used to pick against michael and the bulls. (well atleast during the last three peat)

i have like 2-3 or magazines from 1997 and 1998 and some of the stuff in there is ridiculous.

in one magazine the charlotte hornets were picked to win it all in '97

  


i think sports writers just want to create a buzz or have somethin to write about,so they pick against the favorites.


another example of this is this espn the magazine article from 2001 i recently read,that said jeramine o'neal was better than shaq.

What are you talking about? It is well-documented that the media protected MJ. Of course there were detractors. There will always be a Skip Bayless on the loose. On the overall, MJ is and was one of the most beloved athletes in modern history. How can this be an argument? The quote was "nobody loved jordan until he retired". Are you serious?

go back and read what i said

i said hes KIND of right.

the main arugement in this thread is that no matter what kobe does (wins consecutive rings) he gets no respect (sportswriters ranking dwade ahead of him)

and what noble kane said about jordan has some truth to it.

sports writers were doin the same thing to him when he was playing.

picking against him even though he had won all kinda stuff the season before

thats why i posted the thing about the hornets getting picked to win in 97 after the bulls had just won 72 games and the championship

and the shaq and jermaine oneal thing

my point was that a lot of sports writers like to pick against the favorite just to get some attention 

you want another example? well goin into the 1998 finals,the bulls were the underdogs.

looking back at it you might disagree,but at the time the media was portraying them as that




but dont get it twisted, MJ >> Kobe

 

[youngtriz]

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

What the ++#* are half those stats?

Jesus Mary and Joesph all these damn stats I think people forget to actually watch the games... I hate when people use obscure %%% stats and use that as their main sticking point for an argument. Players are in different situations, watch a damn game.

watch a game?... and make your opinion on who's a better player?

 that is more of a opinion that stats....

wade 08/09
2386 points.... 589 assist...398 rebounds.....106 blocks... 173 steals.... .491 FG%

kobe 08/09

2201 points..... 429 rebounds..... 339 assist... 37 blocks.... 120 steals.... .467 FG%

just for the hell of it
kobe 05/06
2832 points..... 360 assist.... 425 rebounds.... 30 blocks... 137 steals.... .450 FG%

 

 

[youngtriz]

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

What the ++#* are half those stats?

Jesus Mary and Joesph all these damn stats I think people forget to actually watch the games... I hate when people use obscure %%% stats and use that as their main sticking point for an argument. Players are in different situations, watch a damn game.

watch a game?... and make your opinion on who's a better player?

 that is more of a opinion that stats....

wade 08/09
2386 points.... 589 assist...398 rebounds.....106 blocks... 173 steals.... .491 FG%

kobe 08/09

2201 points..... 429 rebounds..... 339 assist... 37 blocks.... 120 steals.... .467 FG%

just for the hell of it
kobe 05/06
2832 points..... 360 assist.... 425 rebounds.... 30 blocks... 137 steals.... .450 FG%

 

 

[chatta718]

Smh....yall dudes acting like kobe aint drop that 81 after 30...respect that man..... I know its been said but its no way wade avgs anywhere close to 30 with lebron on the team...then what OJ is gonna be #1 for the next season...

 

[chatta718]

Smh....yall dudes acting like kobe aint drop that 81 after 30...respect that man..... I know its been said but its no way wade avgs anywhere close to 30 with lebron on the team...then what OJ is gonna be #1 for the next season...

 

[mayhemmonkey000]

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

What the ++#* are half those stats?

Jesus Mary and Joesph all these damn stats I think people forget to actually watch the games... I hate when people use obscure %%% stats and use that as their main sticking point for an argument. Players are in different situations, watch a damn game.

watch a game?... and make your opinion on who's a better player?

 that is more of a opinion that stats....

wade 08/09
2386 points.... 589 assist...398 rebounds.....106 blocks... 173 steals.... .491 FG%

kobe 08/09

2201 points..... 429 rebounds..... 339 assist... 37 blocks.... 120 steals.... .467 FG%

just for the hell of it
kobe 05/06
2832 points..... 360 assist.... 425 rebounds.... 30 blocks... 137 steals.... .450 FG%

 

I said OBSCURE stats. Stop throwing numbers at me and not explaining it. I don't mind throwing out stats if you would at least back it up with something else. I've already said there isn't a huge gap between Kobe and Wade right now, but I do think Kobe is still better, but what the !+@* is OWS?

 

[mayhemmonkey000]

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

What the ++#* are half those stats?

Jesus Mary and Joesph all these damn stats I think people forget to actually watch the games... I hate when people use obscure %%% stats and use that as their main sticking point for an argument. Players are in different situations, watch a damn game.

watch a game?... and make your opinion on who's a better player?

 that is more of a opinion that stats....

wade 08/09
2386 points.... 589 assist...398 rebounds.....106 blocks... 173 steals.... .491 FG%

kobe 08/09

2201 points..... 429 rebounds..... 339 assist... 37 blocks.... 120 steals.... .467 FG%

just for the hell of it
kobe 05/06
2832 points..... 360 assist.... 425 rebounds.... 30 blocks... 137 steals.... .450 FG%

 

I said OBSCURE stats. Stop throwing numbers at me and not explaining it. I don't mind throwing out stats if you would at least back it up with something else. I've already said there isn't a huge gap between Kobe and Wade right now, but I do think Kobe is still better, but what the !+@* is OWS?

 

[bijald0331]

Offensive win shares... damn ECU doesn't teach research skills huh. Here's another spoonful: OWS + DWS (defensive win shares)= WS!!! It's crazy, it's mindblowing, it's superb: advanced statistics for a sport and fans living in the past.

An NBA box score is a terrible measure of a game.


There was an entire MIT conference dedicated to sports analytics. Watch this video, playboy.
http://sloansportsconfere...os/basketball-analytics/

You need anymore spoonfuls, let me know.

 

[bijald0331]

Offensive win shares... damn ECU doesn't teach research skills huh. Here's another spoonful: OWS + DWS (defensive win shares)= WS!!! It's crazy, it's mindblowing, it's superb: advanced statistics for a sport and fans living in the past.

An NBA box score is a terrible measure of a game.


There was an entire MIT conference dedicated to sports analytics. Watch this video, playboy.
http://sloansportsconfere...os/basketball-analytics/

You need anymore spoonfuls, let me know.

 

[JD617]

Advanced stats are better than points per game, rebounds per game, etc., which are outdated and misleading.

TRB% is the percentage of available rebounds a player gets while he's on the floor. AST% is the percentage of the team's assists that a player assisted while he was on the floor. You get the idea for STL% and BLK%. TOV% = number of turnovers per 100 possessions. USG% is the percentage of possessions a player uses while he's on the floor. PER... just ask CP about that one; it's his favorite stat.

 

[JD617]

Advanced stats are better than points per game, rebounds per game, etc., which are outdated and misleading.

TRB% is the percentage of available rebounds a player gets while he's on the floor. AST% is the percentage of the team's assists that a player assisted while he was on the floor. You get the idea for STL% and BLK%. TOV% = number of turnovers per 100 possessions. USG% is the percentage of possessions a player uses while he's on the floor. PER... just ask CP about that one; it's his favorite stat.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Kobe has had a better career than Wade yes. But based on the last 2 years, it really isn't THAT crazy for someone to believe Wade is better. If I was in a coma since 1985 and I woke up in 2009 and was not able to view any NBA Footage for the years in which I was unconscious, would you really get on my for thinking Wade is > or = Kobe? I don't think so.

I will repeat this again because people seem to be morphing arguments. Nobody is saying Wade's career achievements are on par with Kobe, but right now as an individual talent, you can make the case for either player. I think folks are having a hard to putting aside Kobe's career accomplishments while making the comparison between the two players.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Kobe has had a better career than Wade yes. But based on the last 2 years, it really isn't THAT crazy for someone to believe Wade is better. If I was in a coma since 1985 and I woke up in 2009 and was not able to view any NBA Footage for the years in which I was unconscious, would you really get on my for thinking Wade is > or = Kobe? I don't think so.

I will repeat this again because people seem to be morphing arguments. Nobody is saying Wade's career achievements are on par with Kobe, but right now as an individual talent, you can make the case for either player. I think folks are having a hard to putting aside Kobe's career accomplishments while making the comparison between the two players.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Kobe has had a better career than Wade yes. But based on the last 2 years, it really isn't THAT crazy for someone to believe Wade is better. If I was in a coma since 1985 and I woke up in 2009 and was not able to view any NBA Footage for the years in which I was unconscious, would you really get on my for thinking Wade is > or = Kobe? I don't think so.

I will repeat this again because people seem to be morphing arguments. Nobody is saying Wade's career achievements are on par with Kobe, but right now as an individual talent, you can make the case for either player. I think folks are having a hard to putting aside Kobe's career accomplishments while making the comparison between the two players.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Kobe has had a better career than Wade yes. But based on the last 2 years, it really isn't THAT crazy for someone to believe Wade is better. If I was in a coma since 1985 and I woke up in 2009 and was not able to view any NBA Footage for the years in which I was unconscious, would you really get on my for thinking Wade is > or = Kobe? I don't think so.

I will repeat this again because people seem to be morphing arguments. Nobody is saying Wade's career achievements are on par with Kobe, but right now as an individual talent, you can make the case for either player. I think folks are having a hard to putting aside Kobe's career accomplishments while making the comparison between the two players.

 

[thekingofva]

How is Kobe not number 1? Wade couldn't even get out the first round with out Shaq. And OJ Mayo should of been number 10