**NBA FINALS THREAD - RAPTORS DEFY GRAVITY**

[MVP]

Bad moment like I said. I think he improved quite a bit as a player over these past 2 seasons with dantoni tho. And Cp3, PJ, EG additions and Capela being better helped as well. I’m speaking specifically on these past 2 years tho. Good & bad moments. But his teams really pushed a charged up GSW that nobody had a chance of beating. T

Lol at this spin.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Bad moment like I said. I think he improved quite a bit as a player over these past 2 seasons with dantoni tho. And Cp3, PJ, EG additions and Capela being better helped as well. I’m speaking specifically on these past 2 years tho. Good & bad moments. But his teams really pushed a charged up GSW that nobody had a chance of beating. T

Yeah Reggie is the only one to push the Jordan Bulls to a game 7...

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Michael Jordan is a playoff choker. James Harden just has a few bad moments. Lmfaoooo

 

[wavycrocket]

Lol at this spin.

I ain’t spinning dawg. I got my own issues with Harden . I feel the “windows closed” energy. There’s truth to what y’all saying. On the converse tho....You can’t give me another star who really had GSW on the ropes. They was skressed in dog fights with these rockets teams over the last 2 years...while running over everybody else relatively easily. I think they lost more games to the rockets than the rest of the playoff series combined since KD got there two years ago. 5 L’s to the rockets....4 or 5 Ls to the rest of the league I think.

 

[addict4sneakers]

We aren’t discussing the matchup between 2 of the best forwards in the game nor the battle between two great backcourts.

It’s hour 6 of the big Harden thread. 3 days after he was eliminated.

#influence

 

[moonman818]

This thread is getting me through Monday.

Thank you for the laughs Harden lovers

 

[B Sox]

So is harden a choker or not? You managed to label Gordon and Jordan as such but can't bring yourself to say anything bad about harden

I know reading comprehension isn’t exactly your forté, so me quoting the dozen times I blamed Harden for settling for the step back too much won’t register with you. No point in going further.

 

[alchemist iq]

Michael Jordan is a playoff choker. James Harden just has a few bad moments. Lmfaoooo

Cats Wildin like these fixed scrolling NT ads.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

I know reading comprehension isn’t exactly your forté, so me quoting the dozen times I blamed Harden for settling for the step back too much won’t register with you. No point in going further.

How about all the times you made weakass excuses for him

The turnover on the inbounds pass was terrible, but generally I'm not going to be surprised if someone that has the ball as much as him has turnovers

So basically it's cool for harden to choke because it's not surprising when he does

 

[MVP]

We aren’t discussing the matchup between 2 of the best forwards in the game nor the battle between two great backcourts.

It’s hour 6 of the big Harden thread. 3 days after he was eliminated.

#influence

Lol they're not any games today.

I ain’t spinning dawg. I got my own issues with Harden . I feel the “windows closed” energy. There’s truth to what y’all saying. On the converse tho....You can’t give me another star who really had GSW on the ropes. They was skressed in dog fights with these rockets teams over the last 2 years...while running over everybody else relatively easily. I think they lost more games to the rockets than the rest of the playoff series combined since KD got there two years ago. 5 L’s to the rockets....4 or 5 Ls to the rest of the league I think.

You keep referring to GS as unbeatable the last 2 seasons which they weren't and aren't. That actually makes him choking even worse. The only time this irritation of the Warriors were unbeatable was in 2017. Not giving Harden credit for blowing game 6 and 7 in which the Rockets were up double digits of both games or basically being bearded Lou Williams this year.

 

[don ramon]

luck???

luck would be dudes just carrying on a normal discussion in this thread every once in a while. can't even have that lol

 

[B Sox]

I’m just trying to get a definition. If playing well but not your absolute best and losing to a better team is choking, then yes, by that definition Harden (and a ton of others in the playoffs) choked.

 

[B Sox]

Lol they're not any games today.



You keep referring to GS as unbeatable the last 2 seasons which they weren't and aren't. That actually makes him choking even worse. The only time this irritation of the Warriors were unbeatable was in 2017. Not giving Harden credit for blowing game 6 and 7 in which the Rockets were up double digits of both games or basically being bearded Lou Williams this year.

Who is beating them in a 7 game series though? If they beat Portland and then KD comes back and they beat whoever comes out of the East, are we still going to keep saying they’re beatable even though it’s never happened?

 

[jab step]

Legit question. Kobe going 6/24 in game 7 at home yet the Lakers still winning. Is he not a “choker” because his team won? Emphasis on team. Why does he get a pass for being terrible that game; the biggest game of his career.

 

[MVP]

Legit question. Kobe going 6/24 in game 7 at home yet the Lakers still winning. Is he not a “choker” because his team won? Emphasis on team. Why does he get a pass for being terrible that game; the biggest game of his career.

See that's the thing he never got a pass for that game 7. These same nerds on here made sure that was known, so much so they were calling for Pau to be finals MVP. We just want consistency. Moreover Kobe had far more spectacular moments in pressure situations in the playoffs than spectacular failures to that juncture.

 

[dland24]

Kawhi didn’t travel. Took a two-step gather, then dribbled.

Just like when dudes throw a pass ahead and the receiver gathers two steps for a dunk/layup or dribbles. It ain’t egregious...

You dont know the rules, nor are you writing what actually happened. Kawhi took 2 steps after he got the ball which you call "gather steps," took one more step and then released the ball for his dribble.

NBA rules state that you must release your dribble before the 2nd step.

It was a travel. Period.

 

[kilroythedon]

You dont know the rules, nor are you writing what actually happened. Kawhi took 2 steps after he got the ball which you call "gather steps," took one more step and then released the ball for his dribble.

NBA rules state that you must release your dribble before the 2nd step.

It was a travel. Period.

All this is true... but like almost the entire nba does this..

 

[trynafeelmink]

Only on NT will you have someone defending James Harden of being called a choker & then in the very next sentence say Michael Jordan was a choker. Logic is just completely out the window

dudes called Russ a far inferior talent to Harden and slander him on his inefficiency and his inexcusable turnovers down the stretch of games...... but Hold the player they deem much better to a lower standard

Since apparently Harden is the only star who had to face a all time great team in the playoffs i was nice enough to subtract all series against GS (Dating back to the 2015 season) that's 7 series (14/15 - Mavs, Clippers, 16/17 - Thunder, Spurs, 17/18 - Wolves, Jazz, 18/19 - Jazz)

in that stretch he's at

28/5/8 on 40/33/88 & 5TO's

Westbrook Since he's been Durant free

30/11/10 on 38/31/82 & 5TO's

Yet somehow The inferior player on a less talented team is a choker.... meanwhile we should be understanding because James has to play the Warriors every year.... yet somehow against non Warriors teams he's still putting up those same bumass percentages from the floor #Sametier

 

[jab step]

See that's the thing he never got a pass for that game 7. These same nerds on here made sure that was known, so much so they were calling for Pau to be finals MVP. We just want consistency. Moreover Kobe had far more spectacular moments in pressure situations in the playoffs than spectacular failures to that juncture.

Fair.

But he has a good deal of bad-mediocre series’. 2008 against the Celts. 2011 against the Mavs, 2012 Okc (he was okay here).

These were all high pressure situations, especially 2008.

 

[MVP]

Only on NT will you have someone defending James Harden of being called a choker & then in the very next sentence say Michael Jordan was a choker. Logic is just completely out the window

dudes called Russ a far inferior talent to Harden and slander him on his inefficiency and his inexcusable turnovers down the stretch of games...... but Hold the player they deem much better to a lower standard

Since apparently Harden is the only star who had to face a all time great team in the playoffs i was nice enough to subtract all series against GS (Dating back to the 2015 season) that's 7 series (14/15 - Mavs, Clippers, 16/17 - Thunder, Spurs, 17/18 - Wolves, Jazz, 18/19 - Jazz)

in that stretch he's at

28/5/8 on 40/33/88 & 5TO's

Westbrook Since he's been Durant free

30/11/10 on 38/31/82 & 5TO's

Yet somehow The inferior player on a less talented team is a choker.... meanwhile we should be understanding because James has to play the Warriors every year.... yet somehow against non Warriors teams he's still putting up those same bumass percentages from the floor #Sametier

Mic drop

 

[danikerhino]

Anyone who actually watches basketball KNOWS that Harden is clearly above Westbrook.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Legit question. Kobe going 6/24 in game 7 at home yet the Lakers still winning. Is he not a “choker” because his team won? Emphasis on team. Why does he get a pass for being terrible that game; the biggest game of his career.

Kobe did killed for shooting awful that game. Everybody shot terrible that game. That was a ugly game 7. His effort never stopped though. Which is whats required to win a game like that.


Kobe avg 34, 8, 7 on 52/43/88 in the conference finals that year also.

In 08 against the defending champ Spurs he avg 29 on 58 TS%.

In the 02 finals Kobe avg 27, 6, 5 on 51/54/80. That's 62 TS% for ya'll out there.

Ya'll gotta stop bringing up Kobe when you want to defend Harden. Kobe's game ain't fall off a cliff in the playoffs. His regular season #'s are damn near identical to his playoff #'s. Harden ain't on that level.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Fair.

But he has a good deal of bad-mediocre series’. 2008 against the Celts. 2011 against the Mavs, 2012 Okc (he was okay here).

These were all high pressure situations, especially 2008.

All facts. He also has 5 rings. So he's proven he can get it done and the failures are a blip. Whereas with harden the failures are the main theme. This should go without saying but it needs to be spelled out. Kinda like how Jordan was a choker and then he won 6 rings

 

[MVP]

All facts. He also has 5 rings. So he's proven he can get it done and the failures are a blip. Whereas with harden the failures are the main theme. This should go without saying but it needs to be spelled out

Mans they legitimately believe Harden is as good if not a better basketball player than Kobe was. They won't be able to grasp this.

 

[QU!K]

Philly fans really chalking it up to luck that Raptors beat Sixers?

Really?