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[Master Zik]

Well they fail.

I think this is a bit of a reach though.

People need to let this make Danny Rand Asian thing go.
Nope. Well not really.

The end of the last IF solo (Iron Fist: The Living Weapon) it ended with a little girl from K'un L'un becoming the new IF. Of course that's being ignored in the comics until the writer starts his sequel which follows Danny training her.

Other than that, I recall a flashback to like the 15th century IF who was an Asian woman.

Neither are really prominent though.
They didn't rush production (the writing, shoot lications, etc). They just didn't give a **** if he had his martial arts training completed to look believable on screen.

So people just wanted IF to be Asian to 'change it up'?

Yes.

There are some obvious Asian themes and cultural aspects to the Iron Fist mythos. Thing is at the time there wasn't a huge deal made about it. Iron Fist falls under the white savior trope (white guy enters other culture and becomes the best at something specific to that culture; see Amazing-Man, The Phantom, Tarzan, and so many others in endless mediums) so a lot of ppl are gonna be mad about a tv show that invokes it especially given how things are today.

I raised the question before though, who are the ppl mad that Danny Rand isn't race changed to Asian? It ain't Asians from Asia. All the Asian Americans I've come across either don't give a **** or don't want that (they can see the inherent pandering by doing that).

I always found the whole campaign disingenuous. Why push for making Danny Rand Asian instead of pushing for a Shang Chi, Master of Kung Fu Netflix series?

 

[rfx45]

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where can I place my order?

 

[mastamind033]

Half Asian here and I've never had a problem with IF being a white guy in the comics or on the show.

I much rather have Marvel introduce Shang Chi and make him bad *** and later cast someone Asian as a character who's race doesn't matter and doesn't know martial arts like Namor.

 

[Master Zik]

Meh, conflicted about the whole Rand being Asian thing.

On one hand, the whole appropriation and Orientalism thing I get.

Yet, only way we can get an Asian superhero is if he knows martial arts?

But the people who say you shouldn't cause OG character was white can miss me with that.

The stereotypes are glaring too.

I feel the whole martial arts and other stuff like being good at math/super smart would have to be leaned in to and made light of a bit to work.

Same thing with black characters and the powers chosen for them (can't set them in fire, can't make them run super fast, etc.) Why you think so many black characters got electricity/lightning powers?

sounds like they pulled a DC

They didn't rush production (the writing, shoot lications, etc). They just didn't give a **** if he had his martial arts training completed to look believable on screen.

Writing was seriously lacking.. after having the hand in DD.. figured we would get significantly deeper, so things would go up a couple notches

Plus go significantly deeper into stuff touched up in DD, also with more tie over than just gao.. seems pretty easy considering how much they were tied into DD

Compared to what we saw in both seasons of DD, just seemed like these dudes were diamondback's crew level threat in this

Again, you won't find me defending the fighting.

I did like the plot and this slightly different take on the Hand. In essence it's Hydra but at the early brainwashing phase. They need an army and they introduce the idea of sleepers. Instead of the typical undead ninjas that don't feel pain.

The writing was weak early on with Danny and the supporting cast but to me it tightened up by the 2nd half.

Threat level wise I dug Bakuto but they could've been bwtter and more ruthless like we see in the DD seasons.

 

[tay1]

Well Bakuto claims to be one of the good guys. That could be a reason why he's not as ruthless as Gao's set of fighters. 

 

[everysingletime]

Bakuto is plenty ruthless. Lol he had his men kill Harold's men just because they pointed guns at him.

 

[tay1]

Nobu would wash Bakuto's squad

 

[Master Zik]

Well Bakuto claims to be one of the good guys. That could be a reason why he's not as ruthless as Gao's set of fighters. 

Eh, all bad guys like that think they're not the bad guys. Thing is he's the manipulator so he knows he's selling lies to Colleen and the like.

Hydra thought the world would be a better place if they killed 20 million potentially special ppl.

 

[shogun]

Was glad to see Job and Kurt from Banshee in IF though. Banshee was heavily slept on when it was on. Was sad when it ended.

I wrote a few pages back that Lucas Hood needs to show up as a villain or just as a character to beat the ish out of crybaby danny.

 

[Fresh Like Will]

I don't know if anyone else is reading the current run of Daredevil, but Blindspot is a pretty dope character. Hopefully they add him to the show one day.

 

[shogun]

The ending to episode 13 was funny. You had one job, dumbass fist.

 

[everysingletime]

The ending to episode 13 was funny. You had one job, dumbass fist.

Let's hope for The Defenders, Luke Cage sits on Danny till he stops breathing.

 

[shogun]

This series might've worked better if they made him high school age like in that amazing spiderman cartoon on disney xd. Him being an idiot and noob would've been understandable.

 

[rfx45]

The ending to episode 13 was funny. You had one job, dumbass fist.

Let's hope for The Defenders, Luke Cage sits on Danny till he stops breathing.

he gon' unleash the iron fist

 

[iDon’tRead]

Iron fist and luke cage in spired Liu Kang and johnny cage ? Or other way? Iron fist is like Liu Kang and Batman back story ? Batman's murdered parents and Liu Kang as savior / protector ?

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

On episode 9 and it's watchable. Still don't think it's as horrendous as some are making it out to be but it's definitely my least favorite out of all the other shows so far.

 

[iDon’tRead]

Is it just me or does iron fist guy remind you of Paul Walker in the fast and furious at times with his acting ?

 

[everysingletime]

Is it just me or does iron fist guy remind you of Paul Walker in the fast and furious at times with his acting ?

Lol damn not a good thing at all if Danny Rand reminds you of how Paul Walker acted in FF

 

[benzilla427]

Lol damn not a good thing at all if Danny Rand reminds you of how Paul Walker acted in FF

 

[shogun]

Should've cast Hunnam but he's busy now with movies.

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[rfx45]

nah, he looks too old

 

[dathbgboy]

Well Bakuto claims to be one of the good guys. That could be a reason why he's not as ruthless as Gao's set of fighters. 

Eh, all bad guys like that think they're not the bad guys. Thing is he's the manipulator so he knows he's selling lies to Colleen and the like.

Hydra thought the world would be a better place if they killed 20 million potentially special ppl.

Yea, the most dangerous ones are the ones who think they're not bad.

This series might've worked better if they made him high school age like in that amazing spiderman cartoon on disney xd. Him being an idiot and noob would've been understandable.

With the way he was acting, I could see this. I get dude lost his parents, etc etc. But for dude to have trained for 15yrs and become the Iron Fist, he got back to NY and reverted back to this pre-teen self mentally.

 

[IATT]

Finn is easily the youngest out of the defenders

 

[j2legend]

Yes.

There are some obvious Asian themes and cultural aspects to the Iron Fist mythos. Thing is at the time there wasn't a huge deal made about it. Iron Fist falls under the white savior trope (white guy enters other culture and becomes the best at something specific to that culture; see Amazing-Man, The Phantom, Tarzan, and so many others in endless mediums) so a lot of ppl are gonna be mad about a tv show that invokes it especially given how things are today.

I raised the question before though, who are the ppl mad that Danny Rand isn't race changed to Asian? It ain't Asians from Asia. All the Asian Americans I've come across either don't give a **** or don't want that (they can see the inherent pandering by doing that).

I always found the whole campaign disingenuous. Why push for making Danny Rand Asian instead of pushing for a Shang Chi, Master of Kung Fu Netflix series?

It IS disingenuous. I find it even more racist the fact that just because of the Asian mythos involving martial arts, the dude HAS to be Asian when Danny Rand wasn't Asian in the first place. SJWs will always want something to complain about for their recreational outrage. Seeing that this falls into a racial issue involving a minority gives the SJWs (BLM, Trans, FemiNazi-type people [primarily white BTW]) the green light to swoop in and patronize the **** of out Asian people by 'defending' them because they find it offensive, meanwhile Asians be like "lol wut"

I'm Asian, and I personally don't care that Danny Rand is white. The character was created during a different era and we were all cool with it. Making him white to stick to the premise of his entire character not only makes sense, but does the character justice.

Aside from that, IF has way more issues that didn't involve race. But I have a strong feeling that 17% on RT had to do with Danny Rand being white as to not appear racist by giving it a good review from a primarily white panel of critics. All the while, very little outrage from a white woman playing a Tibetan Monk as the Ancient One in Doctor Strange just because it involves a woman, which promotes 'diversity' and not comic accurate at all. SJWs have no common sense and cherry pick their battles. Isn't a white Kung Fu master not diverse for people? Hollywood is garbage.

 

[ronaldcinho]

Show was alright.

Finn was a little unconvincing as Danny Rand, but if I were not as familiar with the source material as I am I'd probably be indifferent to him.

Overall I wasn't disappointed but I wasn't blown away at all.
Did like the music choices a lot though, especially how they tied it into Danny not having access to new music for the past 15 years.

I'm interested in seeing what type of dynamic he has in the defenders, also need more Colleen and Claire.