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[darthska]

But ANYWAYS... as I said before:

I don't really see Kobe as pushing for any sort of scoring records.

1, he ain't gettin to Cap anyway. And 2, he would need to play these 10-15-20 games he mighta been able to play and get those 400-500 points if he really was makin a push to at least catch Malone.

Will he be shooting/scoring these next 2 years? Yes, certainly.

But I don't think his #1 priority will be those points, not at this juncture. Cuz he coulda scored some just fine all thru this April if that was his motivating factor.

*shrugs*

I don't really mean selfish in a way of climbing up any scoring list.

I was moreso talking about the selfishness of being ok w/ crippling the franchise by that contract. And we've heard him defend it w/ statements like (paraphrased) "It's about what I've done for this franchise" and "Millionairres making money off our backs while we get pennies? Naaaah"

(no, his actual words were nothing close to those specific words, but yes, he has said quotes relaying those same sentiments)

 

[darthska]

saw this in the NBA thread, straight up embarassing..

Like the Heat have never been blown out. 

I know, I know: "Typical Laker homer, defending his team."

More like: "I realize that blowouts happen, to every team. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive"

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

 

[rck3sactown]

This is awful.

Pls kiss and make up you two

 

[licensed to ball]

I said "that's all I WAS saying," which has a totally different connotation behind it than "that's all I'm saying."

But okay.

It's frustrating to give you a real response and basically get a sarcastic, repetitive reply. At least I took into account all factors in my response.

You want to continue to harp on that one point that I brought LeBron up? Okay. Cool.

As if we NEVER bring up other players, coaches, teams, or examples while we discuss something in this thread.

I'll take note of that, don't ever bring up another name or example while discussing a different subject.

Or else you will be automatically be bringing up an irrelevant point and be called a cop out, even when you further elaborate on why you did bring up that other name.

Still, cop out.

So whether or not I responded to you and gave you a clear, concise explanation for why I brought LeBron up. I'm still the same cop out.

So then what's the point of even explaining myself? What's the point of elaborating? Since you've already concluded who I am and what exactly I do, why ask me to give a thought provoking response and defend my post?

Lose Lose.

I'm not the one that always has to be right, at least I can acknowledge other peoples points while making my own.

 

[darthska]

Yes, we do bring up other players... WHEN WE'RE EFFING COMPARING THINGS!!!

Ah dur.

Simple: when we're comparing, other players are relevant.

THAT... was not a comparison.

That's almost too simple a concept.

But moving on...

"Thanks for taking the time to provide a thought out response" = "Oh, that's all you've got?" = cop out.

""I know you think 'Typical Kobe fan'" =  cop out

Me pointing those 3 things out...

(the 3 things being that Lebron had NOTHING to do with what was being discussed, and the 2 cop outs)

Me pointing those 3 things out isn't me needing to be right. It's you refusing to ackowledge them.

Continuously.

"Oh, like I never debate anything. I'm a cop out because I never debate things. Got it."

Ummm... no one suggested that. I made the statement "You're so full of cop-outs, it's funny." But you responded to my accusation that you ALWAYS use cop outs, an accusation I never gave. You responded to the accusation that you NEVER debate anything, an accusation I never gave.

No amount of words will change the fact that you brough up Lebron when no comparison was being made, suggested, initiated, or welcomed.

More words showing that you don't see any of this, please. 

OH!!! That reminds me: you keep replying about my refusal to acknowledge your points. YOUR POINT WAS THAT LEBRON IS NOT HUMBLE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. YES, COMPARISONS GET MADE ALL THE TIME. THIS WAS NOT ONE OF THOSE TIMES, SO I'M NOT GOING TO ENGAE THAT POINT (even though I did point out that there ARE tons of humble, world-class athletes. Maybe you missed that part. Whatever the case, that's the only response I care to offer regarding that point, which remains insignificant to the overall topic of Kobe's contract crippling the Lakers, and his ego that allows him to sit comfortably on that contract, a convo that stemmed from Nash's money-grabbing ways).

 

[denni5themenace]

new poll question:

most obnoxious poster in the thread

 

[licensed to ball]

I never said you were comparing,
Or that a comparison was being made.

Can I ask you something then? Or maybe a few something's?
(Assuming questions don't make me a cop-out )

How does a comparison start?
Doesn't it start with... Wait for it...

Someone bringing up something to compare?

Doesn't a discussion begin with... Wait for it...

Someone bringing up something to discuss?

So... Isn't me bringing up LeBron, the beginning of a discussion or comparison? Isn't it an extension of your current conversation, rather than a continuation?

If you looked at it as an extension of the topic, rather than a false (or irrelevant) continuation, wouldn't it be just a normal scenario where we begin to discuss or elaborate upon a discussion with new examples or points?

Isn't that what happens in here, in other threads, on other forums, and in public discussion between people on a daily basis?

So then, what was so off about what I did that needed to be acknowledged and called out? Was it something that uncommon to do?

If the current topic between CP and gtb is violent off the field players like Chad Ochocinco hitting his ex, am I not allowed to bring up Lattrell Spreewell choking his former coach? Can't I extend the conversation by bringing up Spreewell, and possibly be comparing the situations even though CP and gtb in no shape or form were discussing Spreewell? Isn't that what someone usually does in a public thread? Extend the convo, bring up their own thoughts, and continue to keep the thread flowing?

That's all I'm saying.[emoji]8482[/emoji]

 

[darthska]

new poll question:

most obnoxious poster in the thread

Me.

Next.

 

[noblekane]

new poll question:

most obnoxious poster in the thread

I already asked for most hated laker fan on niketalk but they didnt do it. I might win that

 

[sea manup]

new poll question:

most obnoxious poster in the thread

rck

 

[darthska]

I never said you were comparing,
Or that a comparison was being made.

Can I ask you something then? Or maybe a few something's?
(Assuming questions don't make me a cop-out

)

How does a comparison start?
Doesn't it start with... Wait for it...

Someone bringing up something to compare?

Doesn't a discussion begin with... Wait for it...

Someone bringing up something to discuss?

So... Isn't me bringing up LeBron, the beginning of a discussion or comparison? Isn't it an extension of your current conversation, rather than a continuation?

If you looked at it as an extension of the topic, rather than a false (or irrelevant) continuation, wouldn't it be just a normal scenario where we begin to discuss or elaborate upon a discussion with new examples or new points?

Isn't that what happens in here, in other threads, on other forums, and in public discussion between people on a daily basis?

Yes.

But is that what happened right there?

No.

How can you tell?

Ummm... by all this.

Sensitivity, bruh. Be sensitive to the conversation and what it's about, as opposed to insisting it's about what you want it to be about, or that it is what you want it to be, or that it has to become what you want it to become to not be wrong or in error.

Comparison:

1. "Kobe blah, blah, blah."

2. "Lebron, yadda, yadda, yadda."

1. "Yeah, but Kobe blah, blah, blah. And Lebron blah, blah, blah."

FORCING a comparison:
1. "Kobe"

2. "Lebron."

1. "But... Kobe. No Lebron."

2. "I SSSAAAIIDD LEEEBRON!!!! We ALWAYS compare stuff!! Reply about Lebron!!!"

1. "Um. No."

I seriously can't believe that had to be explained.

 

[pmatic]

Bwhahaha.

 

[licensed to ball]

Okay, my Initial response may have been short, sensitive, or unnecessary... However you want to interpret it. (I'm not being sarcastic, it really may have been one or all of those things).

I gotchu. And next time instead of the first initial response coming off that way, it would be better served to go right into my thoughts and elaborate so that we don't have to have the Initial back and forth that we did.

Would that make a difference? Because if the issue is I should of just posted my extension of the topic and started the comparison with a valid explanation instead of just a vague statement, then i can acknowledge that is a good point and I will make a better effort to do so next time.

Or all in all, are you saying that the comparison shouldn't have been made in any shape or form, whether it was thorough or short?

 

[rck3sactown]

 

new poll question:

most obnoxious poster in the thread

rck

rep'd

 

[sea manup]

you have your way of doing things

ska has his way of doing things

stop letting him tell you what to do, who cares if someone on the internet doesnt like the way you post 

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

new poll question:

most obnoxious poster in the thread

Impossible to list them all as an option.

 

[licensed to ball]

you have your way of doing things

ska has his way of doing things


stop letting him tell you what to do, who cares if someone on the internet doesnt like the way you post 

But I want to be respected by my elders...

 

[senorroboto2k5]

So were 12th in the league in points per game, trailing the Heat by .3 and the Warriors by 1.1 per game.. play some ******* defense


Edit-- saw this in the NBA thread, straight up embarassing..


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I think it's more embarrassing that the Rockets gave up that many points to us.

 

[sea manup]

 

you have your way of doing things

ska has his way of doing things


stop letting him tell you what to do, who cares if someone on the internet doesnt like the way you post 

But I want to be respected by my elders...

exactly 

 

[licensed to ball]

You may be right though, seaman.

I probably should of just responded with a simple...

Maybe I'll just do that next time and save myself 30 minutes of typing...

 

[CP1708]

new poll question:

most obnoxious poster in the thread

Dibs

 

[senorroboto2k5]

new poll question:

most obnoxious poster in the thread

Only one of us in here didn't turn in our fan application

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

I still have my fan card

 

[freeze]

I'm still a fan. i still watch every game. even in heartache. even if i've already accidently seen the final score, i'll watch it when i get home, since of course i dvr'd it, and still try to will them to victory haha

 

[CP1708]

I was moreso talking about the selfishness of being ok w/ crippling the franchise by that contract. And we've heard him defend it w/ statements like (paraphrased) "It's about what I've done for this franchise" and "Millionairres making money off our backs while we get pennies? Naaaah"

(no, his actual words were nothing close to those specific words, but yes, he has said quotes relaying those same sentiments)

I hear ya.

I hate his contract, and have been clear on that, but in respect to what he is saying about owners vs players, he is absolutely true and correct.

He is 100000000% correct in regard to how much money these owners/teams make, especially off the players like Kobe, Durant, LeBron, and what they get paid.

Look at Jerry Buss himself, saying that Kobe is worth maybe 75 million a year, and Kobe gets 25. LeBron makes 16 million this year. Think how much he makes for the Heat. Bron sold 300 million for Nike, and got 7.5 percent of that.

LeBron and Kobe work their balls off, put their bodies thru hell, in their "off" time they have doctors, trainers, etc working round the clock on their nagging injuries, to have them ready for the next game, and at the end of the day, a dude in a suit collects 50-250 million a year off them, and then we, as fans, ask them to take a paycut.


I hate his contract. With every fiber in my being.

But I hate Stern, the NBA, the CBA, and the owners even more BECAUSE of his contract.