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welp.
game. blouses.
game. blouses.
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Pretty sure that that's no longer an option due to the amount of games Nash has played.
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[quote name="Th3RealF0lkBlu3s"]Kobe playing for personal records and a fat payday? Color me shocked.[/quote]Color me similarly. 
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Another premature decision...
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As if LeBron stating he wants to put his individual self on the Mt. Rushmore of basketbal has no selfish undertone either.
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Team can't. A player can always do so. Burden of proof is still high.
For example even if he played 8games this year and Lakers tried to get a medical exemption for him, doesn't mean they will get it.
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As if Lebron has anything to do w/ the Lakers struggle.
As if Lebron has anything to do w/ Kobe.
As if Lebron and Kobe's personalities are even remotely similar.
(3 responses, so that if one leaves you stumped, you can just pick another)
As if Lebron has anything to do w/ Kobe.
As if Lebron and Kobe's personalities are even remotely similar.
(3 responses, so that if one leaves you stumped, you can just pick another)
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I know you thought *typical Kobe fan defending his boy*
But really it was *basketball fan realizes that all great players have some resemblance of a selfish ego, and to think otherwise is naive*
But really it was *basketball fan realizes that all great players have some resemblance of a selfish ego, and to think otherwise is naive*
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I don't really see Kobe as pushing for any sort of scoring records.
1, he ain't gettin to Cap anyway. And 2, he would need to play these 10-15-20 games he mighta been able to play and get those 400-500 points if he really was makin a push to at least catch Malone.
Will he be shooting/scoring these next 2 years? Yes, certainly.
But I don't think his #1 priority will be those points, not at this juncture. Cuz he coulda scored some just fine all thru this April if that was his motivating factor.
*shrugs*
1, he ain't gettin to Cap anyway. And 2, he would need to play these 10-15-20 games he mighta been able to play and get those 400-500 points if he really was makin a push to at least catch Malone.
Will he be shooting/scoring these next 2 years? Yes, certainly.
But I don't think his #1 priority will be those points, not at this juncture. Cuz he coulda scored some just fine all thru this April if that was his motivating factor.
*shrugs*
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blah, blah LeBron blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Very thought provoking response.
Thanks for taking the time to address the matter properly.
Thanks for taking the time to address the matter properly.
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I didn't, though. I thought "Lebron? We're talking about the Lakers."
So I responded, "As if Lebron has anything to do w/ the Lakers struggle."
Then I thought "Wait? Were we even discussing anything comparative? Game winners, championships, points, anything that would bring another player into the discussion? We were talking about Kobe and Nash. What's he got to do with the contracts of those 2 affecting the Lakers?"
So I responded, "As if Lebron has anything to do w/ Kobe.
Then I thought "Actually, their personalities ain't even similar."
So I responded, "As if Lebron and Kobe's personalities are even remotely similar."
So no, nothing about "Typical Kobe fan" crossed my mind.
I'm not even going to pretend that the following doesn't exist: "humble, world class athlete"
But I'm not even going to engage in a discussion about how rare that type of athlete is, because like I alluded to in one of my earlier rebuttals: we ain't talking about them.
We were talking about Kobe, the Lakers struggles, and his ego. It seems to me that the issue isn't that you don't recognize Kobe's ego, but that you feel a need to defend it.
[Bane] Poor you. [/Bane]
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You guys need Nick Gilbert to rep you guys at the lottery.
Guaranteed top pick
Guaranteed top pick
darthska
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You're so full of cop outs, it's funny. First was "I know you're thinking I'm just being a typical Kobe fan..."
Now it's "So that's it?"
Never was it "Yeah, I shouldn't have said that. I wouldn't have responded to the bullcrap I posted, either."
It's ok to be wrong, CP.
I mean, L2B (forgot who I was replying to for a sec.)
(by the way, the thought provoking response you wanted was being typed as you were typing that last cop out. It's my previous reply.)
(also, if you want to be taken seriously, stay on topic. Lebron had NOTHING to do with the comments made by me and.. whoever it was... talking about Kobe's contract. Literally, NOTHING. And I responded by pointing out THREE WAYS that Lebron had nothing to do with the Kobe contract comments, and the best you offered was "I know you think 'Typical Kobe fan..."' Want to be thought provoking? Provoke thought. Or keep it moving. But chill with throwing out cop out, cliche responses and then following w/ "That's it?")
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[L2B] Dat Ska ether
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I do that right?
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why dont you two just kiss and make up
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make up sex > make up kiss
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L2B....
your
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Bite that pillow flavored ice cream pleighbwoi
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How am I full of cop outs when I've argued,
Debated, and addressed almost every single one of these same topics over and over again throughout the last 5 years?
How many times have I written about selfish stars? How many times have I written about how I don't like Kobe the person but I like Kobe the basketball player? How many times have I discussed our coaching situation? How many times have I written extremely long opinions about all of this stuff?
I mean how many years are we going to have to address all this stuff?
You act like I've copped out of giving a proper response to these topics for years, when in reality I've been in the middle of most debates pertaining to every single thing being mentioned by you.
Cop out man? Just because one time I didn't want to get into it about a damn rap debate
And just because one time I made a general statement about how super stars all have at least selfish motives, no matter what their personalities are? I never said Kobe is the same guy as LeBron, I never meant to compare them as human beings, all I said was stars have egos. Sure they can be humble. Look at Durant, could there be any more of a clear humble super star in any of the major sports? He's as humble as can be. But does he want to be individually recognized when he retires as one of the best? You know damn well he does. Not only does he want team championships and wins, but he wants to prove EVERYTIME he steps on the court that he is and will be one of the all time greats. That, even as minor as it sounds, is still a small selfish motive alongside many of his selfless and team oriented motives.
And is it bad? NO. It's great.
The fact that these guys all want to be the best AND win is what gives them the drive and killer instinct to step on that court everyday and want to rip their opponents hearts out.
That's all I was saying.
Am I still copping out?
Stars are idolized their whole life, some are more arrogant about it (Kobe), some are obviously more down to earth and humble about it (KD), but either way the one similarity they all have is they want to be the best. That mindset is a selfish mindset, but it doesn't translate to them being completely selfish people or players. It's one selfish trait for KD among many humble traits, and for Kobe it's obviously a lot more selfish traits along side a few selfless ones. To say he didn't change his ways at all would be naive. There's no Way he could of won 2 chips with Pau if he hadn't developed at least some improved selfless traits. There's no way Kobe would of given up the ball and trusted Artest for that game 7 winning 3 pointer shot if he hadn't learned that sometimes you have to trust your teammates.
Point is, all great players have some resemblance of a selfish motive beneath their skin, but some have more. At the end of the day they all want to win, and they all want to be the best.
So why act like it's such a funny or obnoxious thing that Kobe wants money, records, and other individual recognitions among his team wins when all other super stars are chasing very similar achievements?
My point bringing up LeBron wasn't to compare the players, it was to say look. The most team oriented super star in the world, the best basketball player in the world, the best teammate (to a fault sometimes in his past) in the world, also wants to be recognized as one of the top 4 individual players in history when he's done. That's an individual achievement just as going for a scoring record is. He's not only thinking "let me get these chips for Miami, Pat Riley and my teammates I couldn't care less about what people think of me."
He's thinking "let me get these rings with my teammates, let me collect that $, let me break records, let me shoot over 55% to prove a point about myself, and let me feed my teammates so they can shine along."
A lot of unselfishness along with SOME selfish motive.
Remember LeBron's "CHECK MY STATS" shirt?
Yeah...
Um. Very humble... Right.
No, selfish motives along with humble selfless traits.
They all have it to a different extent.
That's my point.
Don't call me a cop out again.
I was having such a productive morning.
Debated, and addressed almost every single one of these same topics over and over again throughout the last 5 years?
How many times have I written about selfish stars? How many times have I written about how I don't like Kobe the person but I like Kobe the basketball player? How many times have I discussed our coaching situation? How many times have I written extremely long opinions about all of this stuff?
I mean how many years are we going to have to address all this stuff?
You act like I've copped out of giving a proper response to these topics for years, when in reality I've been in the middle of most debates pertaining to every single thing being mentioned by you.
Cop out man? Just because one time I didn't want to get into it about a damn rap debate
And just because one time I made a general statement about how super stars all have at least selfish motives, no matter what their personalities are? I never said Kobe is the same guy as LeBron, I never meant to compare them as human beings, all I said was stars have egos. Sure they can be humble. Look at Durant, could there be any more of a clear humble super star in any of the major sports? He's as humble as can be. But does he want to be individually recognized when he retires as one of the best? You know damn well he does. Not only does he want team championships and wins, but he wants to prove EVERYTIME he steps on the court that he is and will be one of the all time greats. That, even as minor as it sounds, is still a small selfish motive alongside many of his selfless and team oriented motives.
And is it bad? NO. It's great.
The fact that these guys all want to be the best AND win is what gives them the drive and killer instinct to step on that court everyday and want to rip their opponents hearts out.
That's all I was saying.
Am I still copping out?
Stars are idolized their whole life, some are more arrogant about it (Kobe), some are obviously more down to earth and humble about it (KD), but either way the one similarity they all have is they want to be the best. That mindset is a selfish mindset, but it doesn't translate to them being completely selfish people or players. It's one selfish trait for KD among many humble traits, and for Kobe it's obviously a lot more selfish traits along side a few selfless ones. To say he didn't change his ways at all would be naive. There's no Way he could of won 2 chips with Pau if he hadn't developed at least some improved selfless traits. There's no way Kobe would of given up the ball and trusted Artest for that game 7 winning 3 pointer shot if he hadn't learned that sometimes you have to trust your teammates.
Point is, all great players have some resemblance of a selfish motive beneath their skin, but some have more. At the end of the day they all want to win, and they all want to be the best.
So why act like it's such a funny or obnoxious thing that Kobe wants money, records, and other individual recognitions among his team wins when all other super stars are chasing very similar achievements?
My point bringing up LeBron wasn't to compare the players, it was to say look. The most team oriented super star in the world, the best basketball player in the world, the best teammate (to a fault sometimes in his past) in the world, also wants to be recognized as one of the top 4 individual players in history when he's done. That's an individual achievement just as going for a scoring record is. He's not only thinking "let me get these chips for Miami, Pat Riley and my teammates I couldn't care less about what people think of me."
He's thinking "let me get these rings with my teammates, let me collect that $, let me break records, let me shoot over 55% to prove a point about myself, and let me feed my teammates so they can shine along."
A lot of unselfishness along with SOME selfish motive.
Remember LeBron's "CHECK MY STATS" shirt?
Yeah...
Um. Very humble... Right.
No, selfish motives along with humble selfless traits.
They all have it to a different extent.
That's my point.
Don't call me a cop out again.
I was having such a productive morning.
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That's all I'm saying[emoji]8482[/emoji] 
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I'll answer every one of those questions w/ one simple answer: don't know, or care.
I replied about Kobe's contract and ego.
You replied about another player.
Your dissertation last June about Kobe's flaws has nothing to do w/ how little Lebron has to do with the comment made about Kobe, today.
How often you argue on a weekly basis has nothing to do w/ the cop outs you replied w/, today.
Yes, I remember Lebron's '$tat$' shirt. Remember how that still has nothing to do w/ Kobe's egomaniacal contract crippling the Lakers? Remember how much it hurts us that Lebron has a huge ego? Oh, it doesn't hurt us? Ummmm, well, just go back to the Kobe question then.
And you don't have to explicitly SAY "I'm going to compare players" in order for it to be a comparison.
You made it a comparison.
Unnecessarily.
The end.
I replied about Kobe's contract and ego.
You replied about another player.
Your dissertation last June about Kobe's flaws has nothing to do w/ how little Lebron has to do with the comment made about Kobe, today.
How often you argue on a weekly basis has nothing to do w/ the cop outs you replied w/, today.
Yes, I remember Lebron's '$tat$' shirt. Remember how that still has nothing to do w/ Kobe's egomaniacal contract crippling the Lakers? Remember how much it hurts us that Lebron has a huge ego? Oh, it doesn't hurt us? Ummmm, well, just go back to the Kobe question then.
And you don't have to explicitly SAY "I'm going to compare players" in order for it to be a comparison.
You made it a comparison.
Unnecessarily.
The end.
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I see a lot of words after "That's all I'm saying."
On some "And ANOOOTHER thing..." vibe.
Still brought Lebron into the discussion unnecessarily, though.
No amount of words will change that error.
Back to back cop outs, too; that still happened on the previous page, no matter how many words are typed on this page.
On some "And ANOOOTHER thing..." vibe.
Still brought Lebron into the discussion unnecessarily, though.
No amount of words will change that error.
Back to back cop outs, too; that still happened on the previous page, no matter how many words are typed on this page.
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