[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]

trickster360cj · Feb 23, 2014

Our bench is keeping us in the game

noblekane · Feb 23, 2014

Looks like the placeholders gonna get another come from behind win?

vrai1 · Feb 23, 2014

we've lost too many games to start winning now, what the hell are these guys doing trying to steal this one from the Nets? :smh:

laker4lifeman · Feb 23, 2014

Where's Darius Morris when you need him.

sea manup · Feb 23, 2014

its happening again

kal-el-8 · Feb 23, 2014

Goddamnit :x

essential1 · Feb 23, 2014

vrai1 said:
we've lost too many games to start winning now, what the hell are these guys doing trying to steal this one from the Nets?

their job

mosk33toe · Feb 23, 2014

Good game so far

sb · Feb 23, 2014

Essential1 said:
So me, sb , and @AG 47 are all 5'7".. Point Guard Battle

i average 30/.80/10/10 :nerd:

so much for that 2 game win streak :smh:

sea manup · Feb 23, 2014

PP and DWill picked a great game to finally show up

new guys did their thing, we got the L. good night of lakers basketball

noblekane · Feb 23, 2014

Thank you netsgod

vrai1 · Feb 23, 2014

Essential1 said:
their job

so long as doing their job ends like it did tonight, i'll be a happy camper.

vindeezy · Feb 23, 2014

T4w.com update-5th and takin randle. 2 tough ones back2back in indy and memph. Indy in a rut, LAL just what the doctor ordered. Memph always tough. Thats prolly 2 Ls. Celts at utah tom. Limited effect in standings regardless of outcome.

noblekane · Feb 24, 2014

vrai1 said:
so long as doing their job ends like it did tonight, i'll be a happy camper.

yup

would love to see the lakers record this year when nick young doesnt play

essential1 · Feb 24, 2014

NobleKane said:
vrai1 said:

so long as doing their job ends like it did tonight, i'll be a happy camper.

Click to expand...

yup

would love to see the lakers record this year when nick young doesnt play

Statistical incompatibility. 7 games versus 49 games. But if you must know it's 3-4. Would be similar to judging this team with Kobe (2-4) versus without . If you were judging it that way, this team would not win even 1 extra game if Kobe had played every single game this season, assuming he came back Game 1 was rusty, and took a handful of games to get back into things, which was what was beginning to happen versus Memphis where he got hurt.

What guys like you and CP, no one who wants us to sign Nick Young long term is saying give him 3 year / $24mil. No one is asking him to be the starting SF. But Nick Young at 3 year / $12mil, at best 6th man, is not stupid at all.

One of the biggest problems that a team faces is bench scoring. If you go 7 minutes in any quarter without scoring, because you can't put the ball in the basket because your team can't score, you will not only lose, but if it is a normal occurrence, you will never win a title. Nick Young does that. He is a high energy guy who can impact an offense. Yes, I would give you he has a couple of shots a game that he takes that are infuriating. But, he can also light fire unlike very few can in the NBA. No one calls him a savior, no one is saying he should be one of the 4 best players on your team. But if he's your 6th man, you could do a whole hell of a lot worse.

Also his production, is also on a crappy team, where he is asked to be the # 1 option on the perimeter. He is asked to force the issue, to create baskets for himself. On a good team, where his role is different, his numbers likely go down, but his efficiency goes up. Most NBA players get better playing around good players.

Nick Young is a guy who is willing to learn, who is a great energy guy, a good teammate, and good for the locker room. That's a pretty good combination.

Nick Young - 16.8ppg / 2.7 reb / 1.4 ast 13.4 shots per game .421/.352/.827 4.6 FTA per game 14.59PER

In comparison to some of the other SFs:
Jeff Green 16.8ppg/ 4.8 reb / 1.7 ast 14.0 shots per game .413/.354/.774 4.6 FTA per game 13.79PER (Nick Young even at $4mil would make $4.8 mil less)
Trevor Ariza 14.2ppg/6.5reb/ 2.7 ast 11.1 shots per game .444/.403/ .776 2.5 FTA per game 16.15PER (Nick Young at $4mil, $3.7mil less)
Wilson Chandler 14.0/ 4.7 / 1.8 12.0 shots per game .418/,362/.728 2.7 FTA per game 13.80 PER (Nick Young at $4mil, $2.3mil less)
Tyreke Evans 12.3/4.4/4.3 11.2 shots per game .402/.154/.783 3.9 FTA per game 17.21 PER (Nick Young at $4mil, $7.7mil less)
Corey Brewer 11.5/2.5/1.6 9.7 shots per game .461/.291/.727 2.3 FTA per game 11.44 PER (Nick Young at $4mil, $1mil less)

On defense (per 48 minutes):
Nick Young against SFs 17.0 ppg / 6.7 rpg / 4.0 apg .511 egf PER 12.6
Jeff Green against SFs 19.1ppg / 7.3rpg / 3.8 apg .503efg PER 14.0
Trevor Ariza against SFs 19.8 ppg / 8.1rpg / 3.8apg .548efg PER 16.3
Wilson Chandler against SFs 18.1ppg/ 5.9rpg / 4.0 apg .487efg PER 12.2
Tyreke Evans against SFs 18.5ppg/ 7.3 rpg / 3.3 apg .526 efg PER 15.0
Corey Brewer against SFs 16.5ppg / 7.2rpg / 3,0 apg .536 efg PER 16.5

On the Lakers:
Only Farmar, Henry & Shawne Williams have a better On Court, each of the 3 have logged a little more than half (Shawne), less than half (Henry), a third (Farmar) the minutes that Nick Young has played. The likelihood is their On court numbers will go down if they played the same amount of minutes.

If you look at On Court/Off Court Disparity. Nick Young is behind (Farmar, Henry & Williams). Again if they play the last month +, their numbers would go down.

There is about 10 SFs flat out better than him, without a doubt. 5 are elite status, a couple former All Stars, and a couple guys on the come up. But no one who likes Nick Young is arguing against that. Nick Young is a 6th man. Any one who like Nick Young, will be the first to admit it. Signing Nick Young long term (i.e. 3 years), is not stupid, not detrimental to any plans we have, not even illogical. Now if the Lakers offer him $7mil a year, I'm with you, but they won't because his market isn't even near that. Nick Young at $4mil average for 3 years is a good move.

But as will be expected, you'll disregard everything I just posted because, why wouldn't you.

menacin methods · Feb 24, 2014

How will our bench look next year? Can we even keep Henry ?

PG - Marshall
SG - Brooks
SF - Young
PF - ? / Kelly
C - ? / Sacre

essential1 · Feb 24, 2014

Menacin Methods said:
How will our bench look next year? Can we even keep Henry ?

PG - Marshall
SG - Brooks
SF - Young
PF - ? / Kelly
C - ? / Sacre

Bazemore is more likely than Brooks.

Bazemore swapped for Brooks. Is like $8mil for those 5.

grandtheftbike · Feb 24, 2014

Bazemore

lovehateself · Feb 24, 2014

grandtheftbike said:
Bazemore

lefty slasher type.

if he can show he can play decent defense, he'll have an offfer to stay.

i mentioned he was defensive player of the year his last year at ODU.

essential1 · Feb 24, 2014

He's a non guaranteed contract. A little over a mil next year. 99% chance he'll be here next year.

CP1708 · Feb 24, 2014

4 million a year, for 3 years, for a guy that does nothing but shoot, to the tune of 42%, on a garbage team?

And that's what you want?

Cuz last I checked, I want the Lakers to be great again, not 42% chuckers on crap teams.

Nick Young has been dropped by every single team he ever played for. The Wizards gave up on him. The Clippers canned him quick (with a very good team mind you) and the 76ers got rid of him pretty fast.

Now, as he's about to turn 29, we're supposed to want him around longer? :lol:

If Nick Young played for the Bobcats you wouldn't type 14 words about this guy, quit tryin to sell him as some decent pull. Come on man.

Give me Baze, MarShon, and whatever other junk within that same 4 million and we'll easily fill the Swaggy void. Brooks can get buckets, Baze can defend, we could even keep Wes and X in there possibly.

4 guys > Nick Young entering his 30's, doing one thing, and one thing only.

menacin methods · Feb 24, 2014

So we can't sign Brooks?

lovehateself · Feb 24, 2014

CP1708 said:
4 million a year, for 3 years, for a guy that does nothing but shoot, to the tune of 42%, on a garbage team?

And that's what you want?

Cuz last I checked, I want the Lakers to be great again, not 42% chuckers on crap teams.

Nick Young has been dropped by every single team he ever played for. The Wizards gave up on him. The Clippers canned him quick (with a very good team mind you) and the 76ers got rid of him pretty fast.

Now, as he's about to turn 29, we're supposed to want him around longer?

If Nick Young played for the Bobcats you wouldn't type 14 words about this guy, quit tryin to sell him as some decent pull. Come on man.

Give me Baze, MarShon, and whatever other junk within that same 4 million and we'll easily fill the Swaggy void. Brooks can get buckets, Baze can defend, we could even keep Wes and X in there possibly.

4 guys > Nick Young entering his 30's, doing one thing, and one thing only.

let NY walk, keep swaggy p

3 years 3-3.5 mil for either meeks or NY. meeks might get other offers and walk, NY might leave money on the table to stay here though

essential1 · Feb 24, 2014

Menacin Methods said:
So we can't sign Brooks?

No you could. Just saying that if you chose between Bazemore & Brooks. Bazemore is more likely.

Probably could keep Marshall, Farmar, Brooks, Bazemore, Young, Henry, Kelly, Sacre. For the cost of a rookie max.

grandtheftbike · Feb 24, 2014

i'd keep bazemore but then again i think i just have a thing for athletic guards :wow:

he's not going to be the guy with the highest iq on the court and his turnovers have always been a problem, but w/ more playing time, i think he could be okay. career high in pts under mda his first 2 games :pimp: