[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]
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a combination of both lol
it be a great honor to be named most hated laker fan
it be a great honor to be named most hated laker fan
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- Oct 8, 2005
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X 
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Yeah, I'mma have to go with my boy Swaggy.
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Nickson Youngstown gets my vote.
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Jordan 'Garbage Man' Hill
darthska
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Debated Farmar and Hill, both for their hustle.
Went w/ Farmar, because I honestly think he has brought the energy and attitude to our bench that we see. I'm not saying he ALONE is the reason some of these dudes are playing way better than they should be, but I think he's the spark.
Went w/ Farmar, because I honestly think he has brought the energy and attitude to our bench that we see. I'm not saying he ALONE is the reason some of these dudes are playing way better than they should be, but I think he's the spark.
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Farmer makes me feel like we have a capable point who can at least compete with the other athletic 1's around the league.
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Would love to have this guy next season ... i dont know how may 3s he take or if he even shoot 3s 
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Just saw the poll
" None, just take MWP bacK"
you guys are ******g hilarious man
" None, just take MWP bacK"
you guys are ******g hilarious man
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Deandre with 17 boards, Pek with 34 and 14 boards, BG fouled out with 32 and 10
"We just blew it. Blew the game. I don't know how else to say it. We blew the game," Love said.
Sounds accurate
Was torn between X and Hill (P has a player option next yr) went with Hill b/c he rebounds and is active around the rim and doesn't need a bunch of shots and or money.
Would love to Keep X bring him on as a starter for the 3, very versatile on the perimeter both offensively and defensively.
For the right price I'd love to keep Wes too to bring him off the Oak as a energy guy with P
Meeks is a specialist, always good to have one on your team, but with P's instant offense at the 2 it kinda squeezes Meeks minutes
"We just blew it. Blew the game. I don't know how else to say it. We blew the game," Love said.
Sounds accurate
Was torn between X and Hill (P has a player option next yr) went with Hill b/c he rebounds and is active around the rim and doesn't need a bunch of shots and or money.
Would love to Keep X bring him on as a starter for the 3, very versatile on the perimeter both offensively and defensively.
For the right price I'd love to keep Wes too to bring him off the Oak as a energy guy with P
Meeks is a specialist, always good to have one on your team, but with P's instant offense at the 2 it kinda squeezes Meeks minutes
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No love for Wes?
He's actually playing great this season especially on defensive side
He's actually playing great this season especially on defensive side
- Nov 14, 2012
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Tough choice between wes and hill
hill brings more to the table basketball wise but wes can be our next trevor ariza and he will sign for cheeper than hill
hill brings more to the table basketball wise but wes can be our next trevor ariza and he will sign for cheeper than hill
Wes is my guy, but X has the upside + younger on his side.
I hope to keep both of them, but in terms of the poll, can only vote for one and to me that's X.
- Dec 17, 2005
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I voted for X too.
Looks like we have nothing to argue about this time around CP...
That's a shame.
Looks like we have nothing to argue about this time around CP...
That's a shame.
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I'd like to point out Im one of the few who tried to sell everyone on World Wide Wes
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darthska
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Back to this Love thing... that will be mocked by most of you and the point will be missed by most of you, but screw it.
Like I said, I love Love. Definitely want him on the team.
But how many times have you heard people say "We all just came together, did our jobs, and got the W. Everyone knows their roles, and we get it done"?
The knock on Dirk was always that he doesn't spend near enough time around the rim. And the defense for him was always "He can shoot, though! That boy WET!!!" And had very limited playoff success... UNTIL HE STARTED HANGING AROUND THE RIM MORE. Not all the time; just more. Not exclusively; just more. I'm sure he wasn't told to completely abandon his perimeter game and never shoot 3s; just... LESS.
Bam. Championship (and it kills me that he doesn't have 2, as we all know that '06 deal was an absolute travesty... but I've always said that if he DID attack more, maybe things go the other way, which plays exactly into my point).
Guards... create, and make you pay from the perimeter.
Bigs... protect the rim, and make you pay around the rim.
Simple.
Does that mean if Kobe comes through and throws someone's shot into the 2nd row, that's frowned upon? Of course not. A big, hitting 3s, frowned upon? No. Pay attention... to EVERYTHING, not just your black and white interpretation. (
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I'm not saying Love is horrible because he's a big who shoots 6.72890772467 threes a game.
I'm not saying a PG like Rose or Iverson should never shoot, and they should only pass. But the way they play so far from the traditional role, I definitely don't think it's a coincidence that 'that' type of PG has so few rings. Isiah Thomas? And that wasn't BECAUSE of his style; it was because the Pistons beat the crap out of everyone (imo).
You get a team where everyone FOR THE MOST PART (and I emphasize that for any black and white thinkers who want to quote me and point out things like Dirk hitting 3s on a championship team) plays with in their roles, 'tis a good thing.
Armstrong/Dfish/Parker/Dfish/Chalmers: set up the offense, distrupt passing lanes on defense.
MJ/Kobe/Manu/Kobe/Wade: finish most of the plays w/ buckets, guard the perimeter on defense.
Scottie/Fox/Bowen/Odom/Bosh: help run the offense, help funnel dudes into the rim on defense.
Rodman/Horry/Duncan/Pau/Bron: get big, spread the floor
Luc/Shaq/Robinson/Bynum/Haslem do inside work, offense and defense.
Does Love spread the floor? Obviously, w/ his shooting. Get big? Rebounds like a boss, so yeah. But do I think the team he's on... whether it's a bogus roster like Minny's or a championship roster like the Heat... could benefit from him spending a LITTLE more time around the rim? Just a little? YES. Like I said, it ain't like the difference in Dirk's game pre-championship to Dirk's 2-time Finals style was like he was Eddie House out there before and transformed to Ben Wallace. No. But did he stay around the rim a LITTLE more... just a tad? Yes, and if you can't see that, watch closer, maybe with glasses on or something, because it's so obvious.
Before '06, I wasn't even sure if Dirk COULD dunk (sarcasm alert). I mean, I never saw it! Then all of a sudden, he'd put the ball on the floor, step back for that fadeaway, and go to the rim, and flush. Had me like "Uhhhh... wait, what?" Bam, Finals appearance, and then a championship. And even the difference in his rim presence from the '06 loss to the '10 win... even THEN there was a marked difference in how much more present he was around the rim. I don't need any stats to show me that in the 4th quarter of games in 2006, he had at least one foot around the rim for 3.9 minutes a quarter compared to only 4.1 MPQ in 2010, so what I'm saying is bogus. Bump that; I know what I saw.
Because here's the major problem with someone deviating too far from their role: the 1 kicks out to the 2 for a 3, the 3 is at the FT line to prevent a fast break if the opponent rebounds, and the 4 and 5 are at the rim. Shot misses, offense rebounds, awesome.
The 1 kicks it out to the 3 for a 3, no one's at the FT line, one of the 4/5 steps out a little more, the 2 is on the other side of the floor, open for 3, the other 4/5 is underneath the rim, solo. Shot misses, defense rebounds, and the only people running are the 1 and the 4/5 that was at the FT line, while the other team is off to the races.
I mean, that's just one example.
The closer everyone stays to their roles, the better it is.
*waits for proof of black and white thinking, like "Oh, so Rondo should never get a rebound? Bosh should never shoot a 3? Kobe should never pass? Everyone just stay within their roles, right?"*
Like I said, I love Love. Definitely want him on the team.
But how many times have you heard people say "We all just came together, did our jobs, and got the W. Everyone knows their roles, and we get it done"?
The knock on Dirk was always that he doesn't spend near enough time around the rim. And the defense for him was always "He can shoot, though! That boy WET!!!" And had very limited playoff success... UNTIL HE STARTED HANGING AROUND THE RIM MORE. Not all the time; just more. Not exclusively; just more. I'm sure he wasn't told to completely abandon his perimeter game and never shoot 3s; just... LESS.
Bam. Championship (and it kills me that he doesn't have 2, as we all know that '06 deal was an absolute travesty... but I've always said that if he DID attack more, maybe things go the other way, which plays exactly into my point).
Guards... create, and make you pay from the perimeter.
Bigs... protect the rim, and make you pay around the rim.
Simple.
Does that mean if Kobe comes through and throws someone's shot into the 2nd row, that's frowned upon? Of course not. A big, hitting 3s, frowned upon? No. Pay attention... to EVERYTHING, not just your black and white interpretation. (
I'm not saying Love is horrible because he's a big who shoots 6.72890772467 threes a game.
I'm not saying a PG like Rose or Iverson should never shoot, and they should only pass. But the way they play so far from the traditional role, I definitely don't think it's a coincidence that 'that' type of PG has so few rings. Isiah Thomas? And that wasn't BECAUSE of his style; it was because the Pistons beat the crap out of everyone (imo).
You get a team where everyone FOR THE MOST PART (and I emphasize that for any black and white thinkers who want to quote me and point out things like Dirk hitting 3s on a championship team) plays with in their roles, 'tis a good thing.
Armstrong/Dfish/Parker/Dfish/Chalmers: set up the offense, distrupt passing lanes on defense.
MJ/Kobe/Manu/Kobe/Wade: finish most of the plays w/ buckets, guard the perimeter on defense.
Scottie/Fox/Bowen/Odom/Bosh: help run the offense, help funnel dudes into the rim on defense.
Rodman/Horry/Duncan/Pau/Bron: get big, spread the floor
Luc/Shaq/Robinson/Bynum/Haslem do inside work, offense and defense.
Does Love spread the floor? Obviously, w/ his shooting. Get big? Rebounds like a boss, so yeah. But do I think the team he's on... whether it's a bogus roster like Minny's or a championship roster like the Heat... could benefit from him spending a LITTLE more time around the rim? Just a little? YES. Like I said, it ain't like the difference in Dirk's game pre-championship to Dirk's 2-time Finals style was like he was Eddie House out there before and transformed to Ben Wallace. No. But did he stay around the rim a LITTLE more... just a tad? Yes, and if you can't see that, watch closer, maybe with glasses on or something, because it's so obvious.
Before '06, I wasn't even sure if Dirk COULD dunk (sarcasm alert). I mean, I never saw it! Then all of a sudden, he'd put the ball on the floor, step back for that fadeaway, and go to the rim, and flush. Had me like "Uhhhh... wait, what?" Bam, Finals appearance, and then a championship. And even the difference in his rim presence from the '06 loss to the '10 win... even THEN there was a marked difference in how much more present he was around the rim. I don't need any stats to show me that in the 4th quarter of games in 2006, he had at least one foot around the rim for 3.9 minutes a quarter compared to only 4.1 MPQ in 2010, so what I'm saying is bogus. Bump that; I know what I saw.
Because here's the major problem with someone deviating too far from their role: the 1 kicks out to the 2 for a 3, the 3 is at the FT line to prevent a fast break if the opponent rebounds, and the 4 and 5 are at the rim. Shot misses, offense rebounds, awesome.
The 1 kicks it out to the 3 for a 3, no one's at the FT line, one of the 4/5 steps out a little more, the 2 is on the other side of the floor, open for 3, the other 4/5 is underneath the rim, solo. Shot misses, defense rebounds, and the only people running are the 1 and the 4/5 that was at the FT line, while the other team is off to the races.
I mean, that's just one example.
The closer everyone stays to their roles, the better it is.
*waits for proof of black and white thinking, like "Oh, so Rondo should never get a rebound? Bosh should never shoot a 3? Kobe should never pass? Everyone just stay within their roles, right?"*
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Well yeah of course if he comes here we (dantoni) will need to figure out a good balance of shooting and posting up. But to me thats a easily fixable problem.
"If greg odens legs were not made of paper he would be a better player"
Sorry we cant do anything about that
"Iverson would be one of the greatest players ever if he was four inches taller"
Sorry we cant do anything about that
"Tmac would have gotten out of the first round if he had just a little bit of leadership skills"
Sorry cant do anything about that
"Love would be a better player if he took less 3s and dominated the paint"
Sorry ca.... wait "hey kevin lets start running plays where you get the ball on the low block" "sounds good coach!"
"If greg odens legs were not made of paper he would be a better player"
Sorry we cant do anything about that
"Iverson would be one of the greatest players ever if he was four inches taller"
Sorry we cant do anything about that
"Tmac would have gotten out of the first round if he had just a little bit of leadership skills"
Sorry cant do anything about that
"Love would be a better player if he took less 3s and dominated the paint"
Sorry ca.... wait "hey kevin lets start running plays where you get the ball on the low block" "sounds good coach!"
- Nov 14, 2012
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Oh and the iverson comment isnt true, he would have been better but still a team cancer with a bad attitude
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ALL MY REPS ARE BELONG TO YOUWell yeah of course if he comes here we (dantoni) will need to figure out a good balance of shooting and posting up. But to me thats a easily fixable problem.
"If greg odens legs were not made of paper he would be a better player"
Sorry we cant do anything about that
"Iverson would be one of the greatest players ever if he was four inches taller"
Sorry we cant do anything about that
"Tmac would have gotten out of the first round if he had just a little bit of leadership skills"
Sorry cant do anything about that
"Love would be a better player if he took less 3s and dominated the paint"
Sorry ca.... wait "hey kevin lets start running plays where you get the ball on the low block" "sounds good coach!"
EXACTLY, MANUP!!!
THANK YOU!!
I could make out w/ you right now.
Except we're so far away.
And I'm not gay.
On Mondays.
Before 5.
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Damn Ska. When I originally posted that being you I was joking...
But now it seems I might of been ahead of the curve
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voted for swaggy...
for once, its nice to see some1 create their own shot other than the mamba
for once, its nice to see some1 create their own shot other than the mamba
yeezusdisciple
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picked sacre. he could be a dominant force in the league
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sooo the problem concerning the back and forths over the past 2 days is that kevin love should post up a little more?
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we can change all thatALL MY REPS ARE BELONG TO YOU
EXACTLY, MANUP!!!
THANK YOU!!
I could make out w/ you right now.
Except we're so far away.
And I'm not gay.
On Mondays.
Before 5.
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