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[purpnyellow]

Ginobli makes the most sense given D'Lo's frame. Beard came in with 30 more pounds. That's a huge difference. I'd be fine if D'Lo is a lesser Manu, a really good 3rd option that can be a 2nd when needed.

Agree I that's what we should expect from Dlo not harden,curry Westbrook

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Man my pet peeve is horrible player comparisons . When I think manu I think of a guy flying all over the court, constantly in the lane cutting and slashing. Dlos game is nothing like that. It's almost as bad as the zbo/Randle comp

 

[MVP]

What's Ingram's comp if he doesn't progress to being an above average shooter?

I was thinking like a taller, less athletic Iguodala, which is hugely, hugely valuable.

PG13 in the 2nd half of seasons when his jumper goes into the tank? I think he's already further along in the handles than Paul is. I think Ingram doesn't have to become a good to great shooter but if he does, he goes to superstar level. Just has to put weight on.

 

[lovehateself]

But but he was a #2 pick not a 2nd rounder

 

[MVP]

So P if Fultz is an athletic D'Lo, wouldn't that make him Ginobli instead of poor man's Ginobli?

 

[pmatic]

So P if Fultz is an athletic D'Lo, wouldn't that make him Ginobli instead of poor man's Ginobli?

 

[whiplashtw03]

i swear this thread gon give me hypertension

Let me just drop the facts right quick

Whips argument really has no basis for a multitude of reasons aside from being riddled with bias

1) His prediction of DLo failing to be a valuable player is already trash because his prediction does not include a time frame and any probability of a certain outcome (since any outcome is theoretically possible). A blanket statement, i.e. DLo will not be a star, completely reduces any reasonable ability to evaluate his prediction in the future since he avoided any specifics.

2) I dont even think Whip is asking the right question. Honestly, whether or not DLo is a star doesnt really get at the real issue. A better question may be, will DLo progress enough within the next 3 years to be an asset that contributes greatly to our teams success (5+ win player if you use VORP for example) . With this you can assign a probability that has a specific value and timeframe which you can judge accordingly.

3) Related to number 2. Whip clearly has NO idea about the worth of a draft pick. Ideally, yes, you would like a star with a pick in the top 3. However, thats not to say a first division player would be a failed pick. Take Kemba Walker for example. Or Kyle Lowry. Not really regarded as stars. But if you get that output especially on a rookie contract at any point in the draft, that is a major win and extremely valuable.

4) Whips failure to embrace statistics when forecasting DLos future. How are you going to use his alleged (lack of) effort/hustle/desire/want/whatever word you choose, basically something not quantifiable, as your main unit of analysis? I mean, unless you have some well built model to run statistical forecasts on that we dont know about you cant operationalize that question.
Essential simply is showing a comparison of players similar to DLo at the same stage of their careers (Y1/Y2 and/or <21). He is not saying DLo has similar numbers as Kyrie which means he is going to be as good as Kyrie offensively. He is not making any forecast either I believe besides saying Dlo appears to have a promising career which numbers do validate.


Look im not some Dlo stan. I agree to an extent with some of the negative remarks about his game. But you cant deny numbers. or logic.
If you think im wrong, read some books on cognitive bias or the science of making predictions....

Blah blah blah blah blah.....and what are you gonna say when he's not on the Lakers roster in two years?

 
When are we going to stop using AGE as an excuse??   Tony Parker at 18, Kobe at 17, devin booker at 19.....good lord there are many players at DLOs age that show more promise.  DLO is no alpha, we get that...but man, show some heart....finish some drives....play with some aggression....and for god sakes, you're known as a shooter....where da hell is that at?!?!!?!  

Thank you.

 

[whiplashtw03]

comparisons of DLo to a young Ginobili.......

comparisons of DLo to Michael Redd....  

You wanna compare the type of impact DLo has on the game? Go look at David Wesley's DLo-like numbers and if you're old enough to remember Wesley you'll know what I'm talking about. 

 

[MVP]

We were having a pretty civil discussion sigh...I'll be back later

 

[whiplashtw03]

We were having a pretty civil discussion sigh...I'll be back later

So you can't handle it? lol

 

[moonman818]

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[whiplashtw03]

Manu is a good comparison and he's a hall of famer so I'd take that any day.

You forgot one thing: Manu is as tough as a hammer, could penetrate AT WILL, and played TENACIOUSLY on both ends of the floor.

You tellin me DLo like this below - passionate, a fighter, "deceptively athletic" as Manu calls himself? Watch how many highlights there are of Ginobili penetrating on the defense, getting dunks and all kinds of reverse layups. 

 

[CP1708]

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20 year old kid, takin the blame off his teammates, puttin it on his own shoulders.


(It ain't one guys fault for getting drubbed by 40 vs a clearly better team. It never is)

 

[purpnyellow]

We did say poor mans manu

 

[whiplashtw03]

We did say poor mans manu

He's not even that bro....DLo on that David Wesley level.

 

[Lizakers]

Manu highlights

 

[EddieDoyers]

We were having a pretty civil discussion sigh...I'll be back later

All good things come to an end

 

[EddieDoyers]

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20 year old kid, takin the blame off his teammates, puttin it on his own shoulders.


(I t ain't one guys fault for getting drubbed by 40 vs a clearly better team. It never is)

I like that mindset
Hopefully that translates on the court so he becomes less inconsistent

 

[CP1708]

@DarthSka How many sigs on a petition do we need to remove someone from a thread? 50? 100? 3?

Just askin for reference, nothin specific......

 

[Lizakers]

Absolutely love a young'n showing accountability and taking responsibility

Major props for that. He just seemed uninterested in that Spurs game

 

[whiplashtw03]

Absolutely love a young'n showing accountability and taking responsibility

Major props for that. He just seemed uninterested in that Spurs game

He has a back-to-back set tomorrow and Sunday to prove himself once again. You confident?

 

[Lizakers]

CP3 is a bulldog, won't let Dlo post up or run around comfortably. He'll play out of rhythm

Against Detroit, Dlo can potentially get back to how he was playing a week ago

 

[Arthur Shelby]

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[akajae]

talk is cheap. we already know it starts with him.

let's see what he does about it.

 

[alexody]

comparisons of DLo to Michael Redd....  

his shot will never be prime Michael Redd but his movements and the way he pulls up is reminiscent of him

whip def the Skip Bayless of the thread