**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins

[MVP]

Let's wait til I go down all drafts since 2000 and we'll see how many talented players (aka future All-Stars) that made an impact by their soph season.

Some people act like there's only been a couple of players that have made an impact by Year 2 in the last 15 years lol

#2 pick last 10 years:
2015-Russell
2014-Jabari
2013-Oladipo
2012-MKG
2011-Derrick Williams
2010-Evan Turner
2009-Thabeet
2008-Beasley
2007-KD
2006-LMA
2005-Marvin Williams

I mean you did clarify saying he was a bust relative to where he was picked, and even though I believe his ceiling is Mike Conley, he's doing just fine relative to the other no. 2 picks in their 2nd seasons.

 

[lovehateself]

Dude really is Just picking and choosing now

Yet chooses to leave out some of the top 5 picks of the past years who haven't become "stars"
2011- Derrick Williams, valenciuanas, kanter , Tristan Thompson
2012- Kidd-gilchrist, waiters, t-rob (current laker )
2013- Bennett, porter(is about to get paid) , Len, oladipo , zeller
2014- exam,

 

[thirdtimearound]

I thought we turned a page.

Come back into this thread reading the same old bullshxt again.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Let's wait til I go down all drafts since 2000 and we'll see how many talented players (aka future All-Stars) that made an impact by their soph season.

Some people act like there's only been a couple of players that have made an impact by Year 2 in the last 15 years lol

#2 pick last 10 years:
2015-Russell
2014-Jabari
2013-Oladipo
2012-MKG
2011-Derrick Williams
2010-Evan Turner
2009-Thabeet
2008-Beasley
2007-KD
2006-LMA
2005-Marvin Williams

I mean you did clarify saying he was a bust relative to where he was picked, and even though I believe his ceiling is Mike Conley, he's doing just fine relative to the other no. 2 picks in their 2nd seasons.

He's the 3rd or 4th best player on the list
I will take it

 

[MVP]

Outside of KD, LMA, Dipo who had outstanding sophomore campaigns; he's right there with Jabari and Marvin.

 

[whiplashtw03]

How is that a bias when it's the same criteria for all players

. You need to get your neck checked out bruh

Think brotha. It's BIASED TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE ARGUMENT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE.

Try doing the same thing without the age requirement and see what comes up LOL

 

[whiplashtw03]

Forget comparing #2 with past #2's. Let's compare top 2-5 picks in the last decade or so that already made an impact their soph year in the pros. After all, like I said...if you're in the top 5 you are considered among the cream of the crop in HS/College/International.

DWade #5 - dominated

Carmelo #3 - over 20 ppg easily

Porzingis #4 - we already know what he's doing this year aka franchise player

Westbrook #4 - 16.1 ppg, 8.0 apg, 5 rpg, 1.3 spg

Kevin Love #5 - averaged a double-double

Lamarcus Aldridge #2 - 18 ppg, 8 rpg, 1.2 bpg

Deron Williams #3 - 16 ppg, over 9 apg, 1 spg

Chris Paul #4 - 17 ppg, 9 apg, 2 spg

Chris Bosh #4 - 17 ppg, 9 rpg, 1 spg, 1.5 bpg

Pau Gasol #3 - 19 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 bpg

Demarcus Cousins #5 - 18 ppg, 11 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.2 bpg 

Jabari Parker #2 - This year is technically his second full year due to major injury his rookie year. And he's averaging almost 21 ppg, 6 rpg, and 1 spg. Dude will clearly be an All-Star in near future.

Based on what DLo has done this season, can I see him among the group of players above? All save for the emerging Parker and Porzingis were perennial All-Stars during the prime of their careers. I honestly don't see DLo being an All-Star any time in the next 5 years with the amount of great guards in the West.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Think brotha. It's BIASED TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE ARGUMENT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE.

Try doing the same thing without the age requirement and see what comes up LOL

That would be a bias against dlo, tonto

The argument is how he ranks amongst other 20 year olds considering that's his age and all

 

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[Lizakers]

Bleacher Report has Dlo #19 in PG Power Rankings
Lou Williams was ahead of him at #18

Age: 20

2016-17 Per-Game Stats: 15.7 points, 3.7 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.3 blocks

Advanced Metrics: 16.9 PER, 10.95 TPA, Minus-0.28 RPM



Everything is starting to come together for D'Angelo Russell, even if he can sometimes leave shots short in big moments and get a bit careless as he takes on narrow passing lanes.

During the five games since the start of 2017, the sophomore point guard has averaged 20.8 points, 5.2 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 2.0 steals and 1.4 turnovers while shooting 46.7 percent from the field, 39.5 percent from three-point land and 76.0 percent at the stripe.

He's blossoming under the trust head coach Luke Walton has shown, which stands in stark contrast to the troubling relationship with former Los Angeles Laker signal-caller Byron Scott. Russell isn't a "traditional" point guard—not that anyone needs to be in the modern NBA. He's also just 20 years old.

The lofty ceiling remains, and Russell is getting closer to proving his floor is rather high as well.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-brs-top-30-point-guards-at-the-halfway-point

 

[MVP]

Well you still named only 12 guys outta what would be 40 picks or so. And 3 are in one draft. So like I said before a miniscule number per draft (1 or 2) that show out this early. Which is why I backed off my own bust proclamation after his struggles the first half of last year. After I let go of the Harden x Steph comparison that people were making and managed my own expectations I see he's doing ok.

 

[whiplashtw03]

I can go even further back...and there are tons of players who were picked in top 5 that made an immediate impact in their soph season and became All-Stars multiple times in their careers

Steve Francis #2 - 20 ppg, 7 rpg, 6.5 apg, 2 spg

Jason Kidd #2 - 16.6 ppg, almost 10 apg, over 2 spg

Grant Hill #3 - 20 ppg, 10 rpg, 7 apg, 1.3 spg

Penny Hardaway #3 - 21 ppg, 7 apg, almost 2 spg

Baron Davis #3 - 14 ppg, 7.5 apg, 2 spg

Mike Bibby #2 - 14.5 ppg, 8 apg, 1.6 spg

Alonzo Mourning #2 - 21.5 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 bpg

Jamal Mashburn #4 -24 ppg

Antawn Jamison #4 - 20 ppg, 8 rpg

Vince Carter #5 - 26 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 rpg, 1.3 spg, 1 bpg

Ray Allen #5 - 20 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg, 1.4 spg, 

Stephon Marbuy #4 - 18 ppg, almost 9 apg, 1.3 spg

Shareef Abdur Rahim #3 - 22 ppg, 7 rpg, 1 spg

Antonio McDyess #2 - 18 ppg, 7 rpg, almost 2 bpg

Jerry Stackhouse #3 - 21 ppg

Juwan Howard #5 - 22 ppg, 8 rpg

Isaiah Rider #5 - 20.4 ppg

Jim Jackson #4 - 20 ppg, almost 5 rpg and 5 apg, 1.1 spg

 

[moonman818]

 

[whiplashtw03]

 

Think brotha. It's BIASED TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE ARGUMENT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE.

Try doing the same thing without the age requirement and see what comes up LOL

That would be a bias against dlo, tonto

The argument is how he ranks amongst other 20 year olds considering that's his age and all

Your argument doesn't hold water because the SAMPLE SIZE you're using IS EXTREMELY SMALL. How many 19 year olds have entered the league as a top five pick since the dawn of the NBA in comparison to those who played college ball for more than 1-2 years? 

Now who's tonto?! 

Like I said, ALL OF YOU who continue to use the < 20 age requirement are playing with BIAS towards support of your argument because as in many points of research studies, SAMPLE SIZES ARE OFTEN NOT INDICATIVE OF THE REAL POPULATION SIZE.

You'll learn this if you ever take Stats and Probabilities. But of course, you probably never graduated from a four-year university lol so don't come out and call me "tonto" if you're not even thinking things through buddy. 

 

[JD617]

 

What DLo is doing in his sophomore year pales in comparison to what the aforementioned players had already done by Year 2. 

If you don't get it when I say DLo's numbers in year 2 are "bustworthy" in comparison to the standards I set for him, then you simply are content with DLo being a non-elite player.
 

http://bkref.com/tiny/rs18K

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Here's the problem I have with the per 100 possessions stat. D'Lo is only playing 27 minutes a game. Would he be able to keep those numbers up if he was playing heavier minutes? For example, Kawhi's per 36 minutes numbers look pretty good, but it all falls apart if he has to actually play 36 minutes. This isn't 2k where you can turn fatigue sliders down. I think per 100 is a BS stat based in fantasy and makes a player look better than what they actually are.

(For people who don't follow the NBA thread, I'm joking with leemelone. This post was real heavy on sarcasm. I'm not srs.)

 

[whiplashtw03]

Well you still named only 12 guys outta what would be 40 picks or so. And 3 are in one draft. So like I said before a miniscule number per draft (1 or 2) that show out this early. Which is why I backed off my own bust proclamation after his struggles the first half of last year. After I let go of the Harden x Steph comparison that people were making and managed my own expectations I see he's doing ok.

So are you saying now you think DLo will be a perennial All-Star or elite player just because he averaged 20 ppg the last 5 games? Heck, he had a stretch of several games where he did even better last season with Kobe on the team.

And yes, there are only 12 guys outta 40 picks because THOSE 12 are of high quality, which is the standard I set for the Lakers picking at number 2. As a fan, nothing less is acceptable. Especially if it's THE LAKERS picking at #2, I fully expect that they have the scouting expertise to ensure they're top pick has the skill set and qualities that will make him an All-Star player for years to come.

Most people will be satisfied and content that "he's doing ok." 

Not me though. I expect All-Stat caliber play NIGHT IN NIGHT OUT and flashes of leadership by the future star that will lead to wins, especially if you're the number two pick in the draft.

Most of you will realize this NEXT YEAR, when you all begin to see the greatness that will be Brandon Ingram.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

So instead of comparing dlo to his peers you think it's fair and makes more sense to compare him to the entire field? This what they taught you at icdc?

 

[lovehateself]

So instead of comparing dlo to his peers you think it's fair and makes more sense to compare him to the entire field? This what they taught you at john wesley barber college?

fixed

shout out to my bro and the homies andy, and nak who came out of john wesley

 

[whiplashtw03]

So instead of comparing dlo to his peers you think it's fair and makes more sense to compare him to the entire field? This what they taught you at icdc?

How many 20 year old NBA sophomore "peers" can you compare him to? You still don't get it do you. THE SAMPLE SIZE IS WAY TOO SMALL AND IS NOT INDICATIVE OF THE GENERAL POPULATION. Which is why you compare him to all second year players regardless of age, especially if you want to look at what type of impact player he really is.

And oh btw...I graduated from UCLA and I have a Master's Degree as well. So no, there ain't no "icdc" in my resume. Sorry buddy

 

[EddieDoyers]

DLo, Randle, and BI is a great nucleus for the future
Luke gonna mold these Lakers into a playoff team [emoji]128526[/emoji]

 

[whiplashtw03]

 

So instead of comparing dlo to his peers you think it's fair and makes more sense to compare him to the entire field? This what they taught you at john wesley barber college?

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shout out to my bro and the homies andy, and nak who came out of john wesley

Shout to my late homie Tabari and the other homies Lil C and Marcus, who hook up the best fades on the Westside.

 

[Lizakers]

Guys it's simple

If Dlo gets 30 tonight against Lillard he will be a super start elite super duper out of this world once in a generation maximus world beater

If he gets less than 30....BUST

 

[essential1]

Guys it's simple

If Dlo gets 30 tonight against Lillard he will be a super start elite super duper out of this world once in a generation maximus world beater

If he gets less than 30....BUST

Game Winner supersedes it all.

If he spits in Ruben Patterson's soda he's the GLOAT

 

[whiplashtw03]

Guys it's simple

If Dlo gets 25 tonight against Lillard he will be a super start elite super duper out of this world once in a generation maximus world beater

If he gets less than 25....BUSTED

Fixed. I'll be nice and cut him a lil slack against a top 5 PG.

 

[MVP]

Again you listing Francis , Penny, etc. just further drives home the point that all star talents are very few even amongst the top 5 picks in any given draft. From D'Lo's draft those players for the moment look like KAT and Zinger while Russell is in the next tier with the likes of Turner and Booker.

I've said at nauseum I don't believe D'Lo is going to be an All-Star so no the past 5 games have not changed my mind.