**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins

[essential1]

I haven't watched a basketball game in my life? 

hahahahahahahaha...let's see if your analysis is on point.

tell me wise one...if D'Angelo Russell is as good as you think he is, why is it that the Lakers were 7-7 before he got hurt, and 3-3 without him, proving essentially that Russell makes no impact on this team? Do you pay attention to their style of play and how they play with AND without him? Let's see your response....

By the way, we're 7-6 with Russell, 3-4 without him

Randle's FG% is down 10% without Russell.. Scoring 3 points less, his assists have gone down, and turnovers have gone up.

Team FG% goes from 47% to 43%

Opponets FG% goes from 46.5% to 48.9%

Team scores 110 to 108 w/ Russell

101 PPG to 111 w/ out Russell



Team is worse without him, and has won ugly games.



But since we want to dumb it down, and say that Russell has no impact because we're 7-6 with him, and 3-4 without him.

Towns, Porzingis have played in every game this season, Booker has missed 1 of 19.

Does it mean they have less of an impact on a game because the Wolves are 5-13, the Suns are 6-13?

And Porzingis has a slightly less of an impact because they are 9-9 with him

 

[CP1708]

People here really don't watch basketball lol...all they watch are the Lakers.

Go look up Kaminsky's numbers over the last couple of weeks and tell me if Russell's are much different. I'll wait.

Last couple of weeks? Oh, well that changes everything then......

 

[CP1708]

I haven't watched a basketball game in my life? 

hahahahahahahaha...let's see if your analysis is on point.

tell me wise one...if D'Angelo Russell is as good as you think he is, why is it that the Lakers were 7-7 before he got hurt, and 3-3 without him, proving essentially that Russell makes no impact on this team? Do you pay attention to their style of play and how they play with AND without him? Let's see your response....

By the way, we're 7-6 with Russell, 3-4 without him

Randle's FG% is down 10% without Russell.. Scoring 3 points less, his assists have gone down, and turnovers have gone up.

Team FG% goes from 47% to 43%

Opponets FG% goes from 46.5% to 48.9%

Team scores 110 to 108 w/ Russell

101 PPG to 111 w/ out Russell



Team is worse without him, and has won ugly games.



But since we want to dumb it down, and say that Russell has no impact because we're 7-6 with him, and 3-4 without him.

Towns, Porzingis have played in every game this season, Booker has missed 1 of 19.

Does it mean they have less of an impact on a game because the Wolves are 5-13, the Suns are 6-13?

And Porzingis has a slightly less of an impact because they are 9-9 with him

That should just about do it folks.

*VC it's ova dot gif*

 

[Lizakers]

Time will tell y'all
Maybe he'll become the first superstar who can't create his own shot.
We shall see

 

[whiplashtw03]

 

 

Did dude just offer up DLo and Moz for Boogie straight up?


What the hell is wrong with y'all?

Heck yeah....DLo, Mozgov, and a pick for Cousins and a throw-in player. 

As crazy as that trade sounds, remember there was always the Kwame-Crittendon-unknown and had not yet played in the NBA-Marc Gasol for Prime Pau trade that nobody in the Milky Way Galaxy saw coming.

And a few draft picks AND the cap relief due to Kwame's expiring.

The Kings are not trading Boogie for DLo + a 64 million dollar contract. Are you really that dense?

And what pick do we give them? 2021? We can't use any of the years before that, so??????

Also, you realize the CBA has changed since the 80's, 90's and 2000's, right? GM's don't make moves like the one you've suggested. 1 kid + an expensive long term contract + a future pick. For their prime superstar assert.

Dude.....

For watchin every title team since 1980, you sure don't understand how the NBA works these days.

I just threw Mozgov's name out there because the contracts matched. Heck, the Lakers can trade Randle, Nick, and Russell or Russell, Randle and Calderon for Cousins and a throw-in and I'd still do it in a heartbeat.

Trade scenarios are always going to be that - scenarios.

At the end of the day, the Lakers can acquire Cousins if they really wanted to and still keep Clarkson, Ingram,and Nance who btw become more valuable to the team if they got Boogie.

 

[essential1]

Only thing that matters is that Russell has improved Year 1 to Year 2 in most respects.

And Year 2 isn't somehow a cap on how good he is.

Must remember Luke runs a large rotation, and all of starters are leaving minutes and stats on the shelf just based on the amount of minutes they play versus normal starters.

 

[Lizakers]

If they did a deal with us directly (not a 3 team trade), SAC will start discussions by asking for at least Dlo, Ingram, Nance in any deal. We'll have to give up 3 of our 5 young core players

I wouldn't do that

 

[rck3sactown]

Bless your heart essential1

 

[CP1708]

 

 

Did dude just offer up DLo and Moz for Boogie straight up?



What the hell is wrong with y'all?

Heck yeah....DLo, Mozgov, and a pick for Cousins and a throw-in player. 


As crazy as that trade sounds, remember there was always the Kwame-Crittendon-unknown and had not yet played in the NBA-Marc Gasol for Prime Pau trade that nobody in the Milky Way Galaxy saw coming.

And a few draft picks AND the cap relief due to Kwame's expiring.


The Kings are not trading Boogie for DLo + a 64 million dollar contract. Are you really that dense?


And what pick do we give them? 2021? We can't use any of the years before that, so??????


Also, you realize the CBA has changed since the 80's, 90's and 2000's, right? GM's don't make moves like the one you've suggested. 1 kid + an expensive long term contract + a future pick. For their prime superstar assert.


Dude.....


For watchin every title team since 1980, you sure don't understand how the NBA works these days.

I just threw Mozgov's name out there because the contracts matched. Heck, the Lakers can trade Randle, Nick, and Russell or Russell, Randle and Calderon for Cousins and a throw-in and I'd still do it in a heartbeat.

Trade scenarios are always going to be that - scenarios.

At the end of the day, the Lakers can acquire Cousins if they really wanted to and still keep Clarkson, Ingram,and Nance who btw become more valuable to the team if they got Boogie.

LA is not getting Boogie. Period. Let it go dude.

Randle, Nick and Russell? Does that even match salary wise?

 

[whiplashtw03]

 

I haven't watched a basketball game in my life? 

hahahahahahahaha...let's see if your analysis is on point.

tell me wise one...if D'Angelo Russell is as good as you think he is, why is it that the Lakers were 7-7 before he got hurt, and 3-3 without him, proving essentially that Russell makes no impact on this team? Do you pay attention to their style of play and how they play with AND without him? Let's see your response....

By the way, we're 7-6 with Russell, 3-4 without him

Randle's FG% is down 10% without Russell.. Scoring 3 points less, his assists have gone down, and turnovers have gone up.

Team FG% goes from 47% to 43%

Opponets FG% goes from 46.5% to 48.9%

Team scores 110 to 108 w/ Russell

101 PPG to 111 w/ out Russell



Team is worse without him, and has won ugly games.



But since we want to dumb it down, and say that Russell has no impact because we're 7-6 with him, and 3-4 without him.

Towns, Porzingis have played in every game this season, Booker has missed 1 of 19.

Does it mean they have less of an impact on a game because the Wolves are 5-13, the Suns are 6-13?

And Porzingis has a slightly less of an impact because they are 9-9 with him

Throw out all the numbers and stats you want, doesn't change a thing about Russell's game because buddy RUSSELL AIN'T THE ONE. The Lakers need a superstar (or two) if they want to win a championship sometime in the next decade and Russell ain't superstar material. Neither is Randle.

You'll see...all those stats to try and support your argument but nothing changes the fact that Russell is all-Hollywood and no substance. All hairstyles and no toughness. 

You still don't realize what the Lakers' recipe throughout history. And if you think D'Angelo Russell will be in a Lakers uniform in 2020 let alone his entire career because he is the next great superstar in Los Angeles, then you have just represented the term "dumbing down" a heck of a lot more than the silly stats you're throwing out. 

People like you who throw out stat after stat after stat in order to support an argument is the reason why Daryl Morey's crusade about analytics won't win him a title anytime soon in spite of everyone and their grandmothers thinking it's a game changer. Stats ain't the be-all end-all. Just tell the 73-9 Warriors that. Or the 16-0 Patriots. Or even the 2004 fully loaded Los Angeles Lakers lol

 

[essential1]

The Warriors won a title on analytics.

The Cavs won a title by playing to the Warriors style of play, which is based on analytics.

Hell even the Spurs made a major move toward analytics before their last couple finals runs

 

[whiplashtw03]

 

 

 

 

Did dude just offer up DLo and Moz for Boogie straight up?



What the hell is wrong with y'all?

Heck yeah....DLo, Mozgov, and a pick for Cousins and a throw-in player. 


As crazy as that trade sounds, remember there was always the Kwame-Crittendon-unknown and had not yet played in the NBA-Marc Gasol for Prime Pau trade that nobody in the Milky Way Galaxy saw coming.

And a few draft picks AND the cap relief due to Kwame's expiring.


The Kings are not trading Boogie for DLo + a 64 million dollar contract. Are you really that dense?


And what pick do we give them? 2021? We can't use any of the years before that, so??????


Also, you realize the CBA has changed since the 80's, 90's and 2000's, right? GM's don't make moves like the one you've suggested. 1 kid + an expensive long term contract + a future pick. For their prime superstar assert.


Dude.....


For watchin every title team since 1980, you sure don't understand how the NBA works these days.

I just threw Mozgov's name out there because the contracts matched. Heck, the Lakers can trade Randle, Nick, and Russell or Russell, Randle and Calderon for Cousins and a throw-in and I'd still do it in a heartbeat.

Trade scenarios are always going to be that - scenarios.

At the end of the day, the Lakers can acquire Cousins if they really wanted to and still keep Clarkson, Ingram,and Nance who btw become more valuable to the team if they got Boogie.

LA is not getting Boogie. Period. Let it go dude.

Randle, Nick and Russell? Does that even match salary wise?

Those three players are at around 14.5 million I believe. Cousins is around 16-17 million. Lakers can easily throw in another player or there's even the possibility of a third team being involved like the Knicks trade that got them Carmelo.

 

[whiplashtw03]

The Warriors won a title on analytics.

The Cavs won a title by playing to the Warriors style of play, which is based on analytics.

Hell even the Spurs made a major move toward analytics before their last couple finals runs

Hahahaha....the Warriors won the title ON THE COURT where the players performed. 

Analytics are merely a tool that helps GM's make certain decisions. Once again, analytics IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE the be-all end-all. The players still have to perform. The teams still have to acquire the players with the proper mental toughness and character that make them a good fit for a winning culture. Tell me this...how can you quantify team chemistry and cohesion or a player's moxie using predictive models and analytics?

Was analytics and PER the reason Nate Robinson, PJ Brown, Glen Davis, and Eddie House did so well in the Finals on the way to the Celtics' title in '08 or do you think it had more to do with KG, Allen, and Pierce's leadership, savvy, and toughness that ultimately lifted the play of their otherwise statistically deprived role player teammates?

Please spare me the jargon about analytics with the "this team won the title because of analytics" bs.

 

[kingjaffejo]

Bro you can't keep changing your stances to fit your narrative. You are literally running around in circles until you are happy and get what you want.
At one point you want E to prove to you why DLo is better. He throws the numbers out. You complain and start talking about visuals and the way he "looks" when he plays. Then you switch to numbers to support your argument. You are obviously gonna get worked going that route cuz honestly all numbers back DLo up. So then you switch back from the stats
Which is it dude lol.

When you said Kaminsky you lost all credibility bro . You still on that old way of thinking. Let it cultivate organically. Take a chill pill. Its gonna be ok lol.

 

[essential1]

Alright let's trade Russell, Randle, Nick, our 2021 - 1st Rounder Unprotected & a few 2nds for Cousins

Let's just pick up the Sacramento Kings and move them to LA. (No shade RCK, honestly)

 

[whiplashtw03]

Bro you can't keep changing your stances to fit your narrative. You are literally running around in circles until you are happy and get what you want.
At one point you want E to prove to you why DLo is better. He throws the numbers out. You complain and start talking about visuals and the way he "looks" when he plays. Then you switch to numbers to support your argument. You are obviously gonna get worked going that route cuz honestly all numbers back DLo up. So then you switch back from the stats

Which is it dude lol.

When you said Kaminsky you lost all credibility bro

. You still on that old way of thinking. Let it cultivate organically. Take a chill pill. Its gonna be ok lol.

Dude, you're not getting it. Numbers don't mean squat. He can throw out all these numbers about how Randle's play suffers without DLo, but guess what, the Lakers are still essentially the same team with or without him because my entire point is that DLo makes very little impact on the team.

Numbers don't fully determine DLo's value. 

Y'all can think what you want. What's funny is that you talking to me like this is some sort of counseling session. 

 

[rck3sactown]

Alright let's trade Russell, Randle, Nick, our 2021 - 1st Rounder Unprotected & a few 2nds for Cousins

Let's just pick up the Sacramento Kings and move them to LA. (No shade RCK, honestly)

no sweat, in the context of this page this is a valid thing to say 

 

[thirdtimearound]

Dude, you're not getting it. Numbers don't mean squat. He can throw out all these numbers about how Randle's play suffers without DLo, but guess what, the Lakers are still essentially the same team with or without him because my entire point is that DLo makes very little impact on the team.

Numbers don't fully determine DLo's value. 

Y'all can think what you want. What's funny is that you talking to me like this is some sort of counseling session. FOH bro.

Just hold your L and leave through the backdoor.
Dudes infatuation with Cousins is amusing

Everyone just agree with the dude and maybe he'll go away

 

[sohi 23]

Roughly a quarter through the season, do you feel more confident in Ingram being a "star" or were you more confident in D'Lo being a "star" last year through his first 20 games?

I'd lean towards D'Lo.

P knew he was gonna set off a bomb lol.
I'm not trying to tear down 1 of them to prop up the other I'm just giving my opinion.

Ingram has been better than I thought. his defense, overall iq & length have a huge effect on the game. I honestly thought he'd be too weak to have a significant effect in games right away but I was wrong. However, his shooting numbers are not fun to look at. I knew his offense wasn't that good but he's been worse than i expected on offense. I appreciate Luke giving him important minutes for development, but his dribbling, shot selection & around the rim game all need work. Basically he has a longggg way to go on offense. Good thing he's only 19. Overall i think BI's ceiling is a better Rudy Gay or a poor man's Giannis. I don't think he'll ever be as good as Giannis but he's closer to that than KD.

I'd take Dlo over him and don't think it's that close. some guy compared Dlo to OKC James harden earlier in this thread and I agree. I remember when Harden was on OKC and I swore to everyone he would be a top 10 player one day. Dudes laughed at me and told me he wasn't worth the max. I can see why ppl are skeptical about Dlo but I don't really wanna argue anymore. Just wait for him to get healthy and we'll see who was right in due time.

Also i dont think it's fair to compare guards to bigs. KAT/KP/Brow/Embiid are all generationally talented big men. The only one of these the Lakers missed out on was KP. I can't fault them for not taking KP, not many ppl saw THIS coming. Who are the once in a generation talent at guard that came out in the last 5 years? I think Simmons will be better than Dlo & BI but he's a point forward (also the Lakers didn't have a chance at him either).

 

[kingjaffejo]

Dude, you're not getting it. Numbers don't mean squat. He can throw out all these numbers about how Randle's play suffers without DLo, but guess what, the Lakers are still essentially the same team with or without him because my entire point is that DLo makes very little impact on the team.

Numbers don't fully determine DLo's value. 

Y'all can think what you want. What's funny is that you talking to me like this is some sort of counseling session. FOH bro.

Thats not true. Its simply not true. You my dude are a liar. Point blank

You asked E how is the team different without DLo because they played .500 ball with him and without him....

The man laid out the numbers supporting they are worse without him THIS season. And if you don't accept the numbers. Its obvious from the eye test bro.
Their offense is stagnant, defensive rotations off, players arent getting into their normal shooting pockets, the games have looked straight ugly and slower without him. Thats off of an EYE test of the squad.

Oh and I don't care 1 cent about you dude to counsel you. We just talking Lakers bro

 

[whiplashtw03]

 

Dude, you're not getting it. Numbers don't mean squat. He can throw out all these numbers about how Randle's play suffers without DLo, but guess what, the Lakers are still essentially the same team with or without him because my entire point is that DLo makes very little impact on the team.

Numbers don't fully determine DLo's value. 

Y'all can think what you want. What's funny is that you talking to me like this is some sort of counseling session. FOH bro.

Thats not true. Its simply not true. You my dude are a liar. Point blank

You asked E how is the team different without DLo because they played .500 ball with him and without him....

The man laid out the numbers supporting they are worse without him THIS season. And if you don't accept the numbers. Its obvious from the eye test bro.
Their offense is stagnant, defensive rotations off, players arent getting into their normal shooting pockets, the games have looked straight ugly and slower without him. Thats off of an EYE test of the squad.

Oh and I care 1 cent about you dude to counsel you. We just talking Lakers bro

Wanna know why their play has been "ugly" without Russell? Hmmm, lets look for a second at who they played w/out the legendary DLo...

Spurs

OKC

Warriors x 2

Hawks

Bulls

Pelicans

Oh what a surprise, ALL playoff teams save for the Pelicans, but of course we all knew the Pelicans were going to beat the Lakers in meeting #2 after the Lakers put it down their throats the first time around when NO didn't have Holiday.

Even if we had DLo, chances are the Lakers still lose against the Spurs and the Warriors twice. 

Once again, to address my point: DLo makes very little to no impact on this team and you can throw out all the numbers you want. 

 

[kingjaffejo]

Forest instead of the tree....

 

[EddieDoyers]

It's too early to slander DLo

 

[WAKKO!]

Let's not forget that DLO in his first year was running the Princeton offense while still being on leash by Byron"man up" Scott. DLO is the future especially when running Luke's offense. Enough with the Devin Booker comparisons

 

[EddieDoyers]

Let's not forget that DLO in his first year was running the Princeton offense while still being on leash by Byron"man up" Scott. DLO is the future especially when running Luke's offense. Enough with the Devin Brooke comparisons

True.
I think he develops into an less athletic version of James Harden