Jordan his Airness, says he can score 100 points in NBA today.

[do be doo]

Originally Posted by Nash

hella handsome wrote:

---

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen IversonKobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

wait, what?  How are people who came into the league in the 1990s (Kobe, Shuttlesworth, KG, Shaq, AI, Duncan) on this team?




So then why count Jordan, Daivd, Charles  in the 90's when they came in the league in the 80's?

00's >>>>>90's

 

[do be doo]

Originally Posted by Nash

hella handsome wrote:

---

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen IversonKobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

wait, what?  How are people who came into the league in the 1990s (Kobe, Shuttlesworth, KG, Shaq, AI, Duncan) on this team?




So then why count Jordan, Daivd, Charles  in the 90's when they came in the league in the 80's?

00's >>>>>90's

 

[IATT]

Originally Posted by Nash

Originally Posted by hella handsome

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen Iverson

Kobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

wait, what?  How are people who came into the league in the 1990s (Kobe, Shuttlesworth, KG, Shaq, AI, Duncan) on this team?

i want to know how this team would win with iverson as the PG.. haven't we had numerous examples of this not working throughout his entire career?

and wouldn't jason kidd be the starting PG on this team


the 90-99 team would just have way to many bigs that they could throw out.. seriously look who would be available for the team:

Cs: robinson, hakeem, ewing and shaq
PFs: malone, barkley, kemp, webber and young duncan
SFs: pippen and garnett
SGs: jordan, drexler, miller (and even a young ray allen would be available)
PGs: stockton, payton and kidd

 

[IATT]

Originally Posted by Nash

Originally Posted by hella handsome

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen Iverson

Kobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

wait, what?  How are people who came into the league in the 1990s (Kobe, Shuttlesworth, KG, Shaq, AI, Duncan) on this team?

i want to know how this team would win with iverson as the PG.. haven't we had numerous examples of this not working throughout his entire career?

and wouldn't jason kidd be the starting PG on this team


the 90-99 team would just have way to many bigs that they could throw out.. seriously look who would be available for the team:

Cs: robinson, hakeem, ewing and shaq
PFs: malone, barkley, kemp, webber and young duncan
SFs: pippen and garnett
SGs: jordan, drexler, miller (and even a young ray allen would be available)
PGs: stockton, payton and kidd

 

[xtapolapacetl]

Yes, Kobe certainly benefited from playing in the era he does. However, Kobe has proven his offensive ability by doing things other talented players cannot, in the same era.


Just to remind you, when Kobe averaged 35.4, Allen Iverson averaged 33.0 and LeBron averaged 31.4 that same year.

When Mike averaged 37.1, the second in the league in scoring was Dominique Wilkins with 29.0 ppg. Other talented players didn't come close.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

Yes, Kobe certainly benefited from playing in the era he does. However, Kobe has proven his offensive ability by doing things other talented players cannot, in the same era.


Just to remind you, when Kobe averaged 35.4, Allen Iverson averaged 33.0 and LeBron averaged 31.4 that same year.

When Mike averaged 37.1, the second in the league in scoring was Dominique Wilkins with 29.0 ppg. Other talented players didn't come close.

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by Do Be Doo

Originally Posted by Nash

hella handsome wrote:

---

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen IversonKobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

wait, what?  How are people who came into the league in the 1990s (Kobe, Shuttlesworth, KG, Shaq, AI, Duncan) on this team?

So then why count Jordan, Daivd, Charles  in the 90's when they came in the league in the 80's?

00's >>>>>90's


  

Don't think so:

Starter/ Alternates

PG - Gary Payton  /Jason Kidd/ Tim Hardaway
SG - Michael Jordan  / Latrell Sprewell / Glen Rice
SF - Scottie Pippen / Grant Hill
PF - Charles Barkley/ Karl Malone
C   - Olajuwon /Shaq /David Robinson 

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by Do Be Doo

Originally Posted by Nash

hella handsome wrote:

---

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen IversonKobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

wait, what?  How are people who came into the league in the 1990s (Kobe, Shuttlesworth, KG, Shaq, AI, Duncan) on this team?

So then why count Jordan, Daivd, Charles  in the 90's when they came in the league in the 80's?

00's >>>>>90's


  

Don't think so:

Starter/ Alternates

PG - Gary Payton  /Jason Kidd/ Tim Hardaway
SG - Michael Jordan  / Latrell Sprewell / Glen Rice
SF - Scottie Pippen / Grant Hill
PF - Charles Barkley/ Karl Malone
C   - Olajuwon /Shaq /David Robinson 

 

[murda he]

Originally Posted by Mo Matik

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

That's why Kobe has lower lows than Mike but will end his career with slightly more ridiculous feats of bucket-getting (81, 62 in 3 quarters, 40 point streak, 12 threes in a game, etc).

No. The real reason why Kobe has those games is that they came in an era with weak defense and offense friendly rules. You can even see the scoring averages of some players who played in Jordan's time such as Gary Payton, Chris Webber and Grant Hill explode when they entered the Kobe era. The fact that scoring became so much easier for so many star players in the 1999-00 season is not a coincidence. Even Mike himself as a DAMN 39-40 YEAR OLD with the Wizards had 51 point, 2 x 45 point, 44 point, 43 point, 2 x 41 and a 40 point game. He dropped 50 and had 8 40+ point games in the 142 games he played as a geezer with the Wizards.

Here's a hilarious piece of information that I think everyone should know about: The most points Mike scored in the 1990-91 season over 82 games as a 28-year old was 46. The most points he scored in the 2001-02 season over 60 games as a 39 year-old after being away from pro basketball for 3 years was 51. So the next time you Kobe huggers and Jordan deniers dare to compare the Kobe and Mike eras straight up, keep this in mind.

I gotta disagree a bit here.

Yes, Kobe certainly benefited from playing in the era he does.  However, Kobe has proven his offensive ability by doing things other talented players cannot, in the same era.

Wade?  Lebron?  Carmelo?  These offensive talents have been able to do great things in the same era, but Kobe's accomplishments on the offensive end certainly stand out in comparison. 

It's a combination of both his talent and the era.  What is more significant out of the two is up for debate.


So out of one side of our mouths we'll all agree That Mike is the best 2 to ever lace em up, but then you're gonna front like TWENTY years in the leaugue doesn't give you a mental edge on the comp? I don't even see why the fact he scored as much as he did amazes you. What changed? Outside of speed and lift, he's STILL MJ. As a young man, Jordan shot TOUGHER shots. As a mature player, he shot EASIER shots MORE OFTEN. Duh..  What's 16 or 17 fifteen footers and lay ups to a game-fit MJ? Regardless of age, he was still in NBA shape. He was STILL MJ. Come on man. Stop it . Just stop, unless you want to make a claim for how amazing it is for a one- knee, two fingered Kobe to beat the Celtics in 7. But I doubt you'd be so fair.

And lastly, why do ya'll keep assuming I'm one of these "Kobe riders"? I'm a fan, true, but I don't polarize my opinions. I keep em fair and non-biased. I don't jock  ANYBODY. I just call it how I see it. So if I wanna make an argument as to why I think Kobe may be the best scorer ever, deal with it. It's just my opinion. If I wannna call him a crybaby, deal with that too. I don't pick sides. Ain't none of these +@#@%! my children. So next time ya'll got something to argue, make sure it's about what I've written. Cuz ya'll don't know what kind of person I am to be assuming all this fanboy +*#$ about me incorrectly.

Starter/ Alternates

PG - Gary Payton  /Jason Kidd/ Tim Hardaway
SG - Michael Jordan  / Latrell Sprewell / Glen Rice
SF - Scottie Pippen / Grant Hill
PF - Charles Barkley/ Karl Malone
C   - Olajuwon /Shaq /David Robinson 
AI - Is he a better player than Payton/Kidd? Probably not all around..no way.. But is he more effective? Without a doubt. The AI that went to the Finals would KILL those PGs you listed. KILLLLLLLLLLLL...........Sorry. Payton couldn't guard A.I. with a pistol and a bullet proof vest. Who could? Kidd ain't getting those 7-9 boards either. That about ends the argument for who's talents would be better suited for this matchup. 25 and 6 from AI beats Kidds  12, 9, 5 on this night... maybe not in general, but in this game.

Kobe - Push. As good as Jordan is, on teams this stacked, I'm not sure either SG's edge would be THAT huge. Neither player would HAVE to ball dominate or chuck shots. Neither player would IMO. This would just be a real good slobber knocker between the two of them. I'd give the edge to Kobe for one reason :range. All that in the lane #*** is dead either way for BOTH teams. In this one, Jordan shoots a higher FG% but Kobe scores more. Neither man does a particularly good job at "stopping" the other.

Lebron - He's the best to ever play SF... period. And I damn near don't like him. I'm just being real. Moving along.. I bet you think Pippen could guard him, don't you?

Tim - ^ that. You can bank on young Timmy doing 17 and 11 easy.. (I'm being nice)

Shaq - 45 points

I just don't see it happening for the 90s squad...

 

[murda he]

Originally Posted by Mo Matik

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

That's why Kobe has lower lows than Mike but will end his career with slightly more ridiculous feats of bucket-getting (81, 62 in 3 quarters, 40 point streak, 12 threes in a game, etc).

No. The real reason why Kobe has those games is that they came in an era with weak defense and offense friendly rules. You can even see the scoring averages of some players who played in Jordan's time such as Gary Payton, Chris Webber and Grant Hill explode when they entered the Kobe era. The fact that scoring became so much easier for so many star players in the 1999-00 season is not a coincidence. Even Mike himself as a DAMN 39-40 YEAR OLD with the Wizards had 51 point, 2 x 45 point, 44 point, 43 point, 2 x 41 and a 40 point game. He dropped 50 and had 8 40+ point games in the 142 games he played as a geezer with the Wizards.

Here's a hilarious piece of information that I think everyone should know about: The most points Mike scored in the 1990-91 season over 82 games as a 28-year old was 46. The most points he scored in the 2001-02 season over 60 games as a 39 year-old after being away from pro basketball for 3 years was 51. So the next time you Kobe huggers and Jordan deniers dare to compare the Kobe and Mike eras straight up, keep this in mind.

I gotta disagree a bit here.

Yes, Kobe certainly benefited from playing in the era he does.  However, Kobe has proven his offensive ability by doing things other talented players cannot, in the same era.

Wade?  Lebron?  Carmelo?  These offensive talents have been able to do great things in the same era, but Kobe's accomplishments on the offensive end certainly stand out in comparison. 

It's a combination of both his talent and the era.  What is more significant out of the two is up for debate.


So out of one side of our mouths we'll all agree That Mike is the best 2 to ever lace em up, but then you're gonna front like TWENTY years in the leaugue doesn't give you a mental edge on the comp? I don't even see why the fact he scored as much as he did amazes you. What changed? Outside of speed and lift, he's STILL MJ. As a young man, Jordan shot TOUGHER shots. As a mature player, he shot EASIER shots MORE OFTEN. Duh..  What's 16 or 17 fifteen footers and lay ups to a game-fit MJ? Regardless of age, he was still in NBA shape. He was STILL MJ. Come on man. Stop it . Just stop, unless you want to make a claim for how amazing it is for a one- knee, two fingered Kobe to beat the Celtics in 7. But I doubt you'd be so fair.

And lastly, why do ya'll keep assuming I'm one of these "Kobe riders"? I'm a fan, true, but I don't polarize my opinions. I keep em fair and non-biased. I don't jock  ANYBODY. I just call it how I see it. So if I wanna make an argument as to why I think Kobe may be the best scorer ever, deal with it. It's just my opinion. If I wannna call him a crybaby, deal with that too. I don't pick sides. Ain't none of these +@#@%! my children. So next time ya'll got something to argue, make sure it's about what I've written. Cuz ya'll don't know what kind of person I am to be assuming all this fanboy +*#$ about me incorrectly.

Starter/ Alternates

PG - Gary Payton  /Jason Kidd/ Tim Hardaway
SG - Michael Jordan  / Latrell Sprewell / Glen Rice
SF - Scottie Pippen / Grant Hill
PF - Charles Barkley/ Karl Malone
C   - Olajuwon /Shaq /David Robinson 
AI - Is he a better player than Payton/Kidd? Probably not all around..no way.. But is he more effective? Without a doubt. The AI that went to the Finals would KILL those PGs you listed. KILLLLLLLLLLLL...........Sorry. Payton couldn't guard A.I. with a pistol and a bullet proof vest. Who could? Kidd ain't getting those 7-9 boards either. That about ends the argument for who's talents would be better suited for this matchup. 25 and 6 from AI beats Kidds  12, 9, 5 on this night... maybe not in general, but in this game.

Kobe - Push. As good as Jordan is, on teams this stacked, I'm not sure either SG's edge would be THAT huge. Neither player would HAVE to ball dominate or chuck shots. Neither player would IMO. This would just be a real good slobber knocker between the two of them. I'd give the edge to Kobe for one reason :range. All that in the lane #*** is dead either way for BOTH teams. In this one, Jordan shoots a higher FG% but Kobe scores more. Neither man does a particularly good job at "stopping" the other.

Lebron - He's the best to ever play SF... period. And I damn near don't like him. I'm just being real. Moving along.. I bet you think Pippen could guard him, don't you?

Tim - ^ that. You can bank on young Timmy doing 17 and 11 easy.. (I'm being nice)

Shaq - 45 points

I just don't see it happening for the 90s squad...

 

[IATT]

^ i would put hakeem at PF to combat duncan's size

then you have to add ewing just so you have guys to wear shaq down

so if i had to cut it down to 15 i go (starters first):

PG: stockton/payton
SG: jordan/miller
SF: pippen/hill/garnett (like garnett's versatility)
PF: hakeem/barkley/malone/webber
C: robinson/ewing/shaq/mutumbo (need as many fouls as possible)

 

[IATT]

^ i would put hakeem at PF to combat duncan's size

then you have to add ewing just so you have guys to wear shaq down

so if i had to cut it down to 15 i go (starters first):

PG: stockton/payton
SG: jordan/miller
SF: pippen/hill/garnett (like garnett's versatility)
PF: hakeem/barkley/malone/webber
C: robinson/ewing/shaq/mutumbo (need as many fouls as possible)

 

[xtapolapacetl]

The 1984 draft class alone in their primes would make it a game against the entire 00s. At least the starting 5 would. The bench would pull the 00s through in the end, but best 90s stars against best 00s stars = not even close.

PG - Gary Payton /Tim Hardaway
SG - Michael Jordan / Latrell Sprewell / Glen Rice
SF - Scottie Pippen / Grant Hill
PF - Charles Barkley/ Karl Malone
C - Olajuwon /Shaq /David Robinson


The 90s should probably look like this based on stats and accomplishments:

PG: Stockton/Payton/Penny
SG: Jordan/Drexler
SF: Pippen/Hill
PF: Barkley/Malone
C: Olajuwon/Robinson/Ewing

 

[xtapolapacetl]

The 1984 draft class alone in their primes would make it a game against the entire 00s. At least the starting 5 would. The bench would pull the 00s through in the end, but best 90s stars against best 00s stars = not even close.

PG - Gary Payton /Tim Hardaway
SG - Michael Jordan / Latrell Sprewell / Glen Rice
SF - Scottie Pippen / Grant Hill
PF - Charles Barkley/ Karl Malone
C - Olajuwon /Shaq /David Robinson


The 90s should probably look like this based on stats and accomplishments:

PG: Stockton/Payton/Penny
SG: Jordan/Drexler
SF: Pippen/Hill
PF: Barkley/Malone
C: Olajuwon/Robinson/Ewing

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by Murda He

So out of one side of our mouths we'll all agree That Mike is the best 2 to ever lace em up, but then you're gonna front like TWENTY years in the leaugue doesn't give you a mental edge on the comp? I don't even see why the fact he scored as much as he did amazes you. What changed? Outside of speed and lift, he's STILL MJ. As a young man, Jordan shot TOUGHER shots. As a mature player, he shot EASIER shots MORE OFTEN. Duh..  What's 16 or 17 fifteen footers and lay ups to a game-fit MJ? Regardless of age, he was still in NBA shape. He was STILL MJ. Come on man. Stop it . Just stop, unless you want to make a claim for how amazing it is for a one- knee, two fingered Kobe to beat the Celtics in 7. But I doubt you'd be so fair.

And lastly, why do ya'll keep assuming I'm one of these "Kobe riders"? I'm a fan, true, but I don't polarize my opinions. I keep em fair and non-biased. I don't jock  ANYBODY. I just call it how I see it. So if I wanna make an argument as to why I think Kobe may be the best scorer ever, deal with it. It's just my opinion. If I wannna call him a crybaby, deal with that too. I don't pick sides. Ain't none of these $%@%%! my children. So next time ya'll got something to argue, make sure it's about what I've written. Cuz ya'll don't know what kind of person I am to be assuming all this fanboy *%$! about me incorrectly.

If you think Kobe is the best scorer ever, you are a Kobe fanboy. 

  

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by Murda He

So out of one side of our mouths we'll all agree That Mike is the best 2 to ever lace em up, but then you're gonna front like TWENTY years in the leaugue doesn't give you a mental edge on the comp? I don't even see why the fact he scored as much as he did amazes you. What changed? Outside of speed and lift, he's STILL MJ. As a young man, Jordan shot TOUGHER shots. As a mature player, he shot EASIER shots MORE OFTEN. Duh..  What's 16 or 17 fifteen footers and lay ups to a game-fit MJ? Regardless of age, he was still in NBA shape. He was STILL MJ. Come on man. Stop it . Just stop, unless you want to make a claim for how amazing it is for a one- knee, two fingered Kobe to beat the Celtics in 7. But I doubt you'd be so fair.

And lastly, why do ya'll keep assuming I'm one of these "Kobe riders"? I'm a fan, true, but I don't polarize my opinions. I keep em fair and non-biased. I don't jock  ANYBODY. I just call it how I see it. So if I wanna make an argument as to why I think Kobe may be the best scorer ever, deal with it. It's just my opinion. If I wannna call him a crybaby, deal with that too. I don't pick sides. Ain't none of these $%@%%! my children. So next time ya'll got something to argue, make sure it's about what I've written. Cuz ya'll don't know what kind of person I am to be assuming all this fanboy *%$! about me incorrectly.

If you think Kobe is the best scorer ever, you are a Kobe fanboy. 

  

 

[murda he]

Originally Posted by cguy610

Originally Posted by Murda He

So out of one side of our mouths we'll all agree That Mike is the best 2 to ever lace em up, but then you're gonna front like TWENTY years in the leaugue doesn't give you a mental edge on the comp? I don't even see why the fact he scored as much as he did amazes you. What changed? Outside of speed and lift, he's STILL MJ. As a young man, Jordan shot TOUGHER shots. As a mature player, he shot EASIER shots MORE OFTEN. Duh..  What's 16 or 17 fifteen footers and lay ups to a game-fit MJ? Regardless of age, he was still in NBA shape. He was STILL MJ. Come on man. Stop it . Just stop, unless you want to make a claim for how amazing it is for a one- knee, two fingered Kobe to beat the Celtics in 7. But I doubt you'd be so fair.

And lastly, why do ya'll keep assuming I'm one of these "Kobe riders"? I'm a fan, true, but I don't polarize my opinions. I keep em fair and non-biased. I don't jock  ANYBODY. I just call it how I see it. So if I wanna make an argument as to why I think Kobe may be the best scorer ever, deal with it. It's just my opinion. If I wannna call him a crybaby, deal with that too. I don't pick sides. Ain't none of these $%@%%! my children. So next time ya'll got something to argue, make sure it's about what I've written. Cuz ya'll don't know what kind of person I am to be assuming all this fanboy *%$! about me incorrectly.

If you think Kobe is the best scorer ever, you are a Kobe fanboy. 

  

No.. just an observer...

The moves I've seen Kobe pull off are ridiculous. When I say the best scorer ever, I'm not talking about "scored the most". I'm talking about his ability and the variations in which he can get that ball into the rim.  Clearly Kobe is one of the most practiced and studied players to ever step out there. Why do ya'll keep fronting like I'm making this +!** up? Name 3 players with offensive capabilities on par with Kobe. I'll give you one, Jordan. I'll even give you a sleeper pick.. Mello..  now give me one more. I'm talking deep ball, mid range, post up, lay-up, dunk, up and under, buzzer beater, and everything in between. Go ahead. Who's REALLY doing it like Bean?

 

[murda he]

Originally Posted by cguy610

Originally Posted by Murda He

So out of one side of our mouths we'll all agree That Mike is the best 2 to ever lace em up, but then you're gonna front like TWENTY years in the leaugue doesn't give you a mental edge on the comp? I don't even see why the fact he scored as much as he did amazes you. What changed? Outside of speed and lift, he's STILL MJ. As a young man, Jordan shot TOUGHER shots. As a mature player, he shot EASIER shots MORE OFTEN. Duh..  What's 16 or 17 fifteen footers and lay ups to a game-fit MJ? Regardless of age, he was still in NBA shape. He was STILL MJ. Come on man. Stop it . Just stop, unless you want to make a claim for how amazing it is for a one- knee, two fingered Kobe to beat the Celtics in 7. But I doubt you'd be so fair.

And lastly, why do ya'll keep assuming I'm one of these "Kobe riders"? I'm a fan, true, but I don't polarize my opinions. I keep em fair and non-biased. I don't jock  ANYBODY. I just call it how I see it. So if I wanna make an argument as to why I think Kobe may be the best scorer ever, deal with it. It's just my opinion. If I wannna call him a crybaby, deal with that too. I don't pick sides. Ain't none of these $%@%%! my children. So next time ya'll got something to argue, make sure it's about what I've written. Cuz ya'll don't know what kind of person I am to be assuming all this fanboy *%$! about me incorrectly.

If you think Kobe is the best scorer ever, you are a Kobe fanboy. 

  

No.. just an observer...

The moves I've seen Kobe pull off are ridiculous. When I say the best scorer ever, I'm not talking about "scored the most". I'm talking about his ability and the variations in which he can get that ball into the rim.  Clearly Kobe is one of the most practiced and studied players to ever step out there. Why do ya'll keep fronting like I'm making this +!** up? Name 3 players with offensive capabilities on par with Kobe. I'll give you one, Jordan. I'll even give you a sleeper pick.. Mello..  now give me one more. I'm talking deep ball, mid range, post up, lay-up, dunk, up and under, buzzer beater, and everything in between. Go ahead. Who's REALLY doing it like Bean?

 

[xtapolapacetl]

So out of one side of our mouths we'll all agree That Mike is the best 2 to ever lace em up, but then you're gonna front like TWENTY years in the leaugue doesn't give you a mental edge on the comp? I don't even see why the fact he scored as much as he did amazes you. What changed? Outside of speed and lift, he's STILL MJ. As a young man, Jordan shot TOUGHER shots. As a mature player, he shot EASIER shots MORE OFTEN. Duh.. What's 16 or 17 fifteen footers and lay ups to a game-fit MJ? Regardless of age, he was still in NBA shape. He was STILL MJ. Come on man. Stop it . Just stop, unless you want to make a claim for how amazing it is for a one- knee, two fingered Kobe to beat the Celtics in 7. But I doubt you'd be so fair.


Still MJ? STILL MJ?? Are you saying that the 01-02 MJ was better than the 90-91 MJ? Because he certainly did one thing better in 01-02 than 90-91 - score more points in a game. The man was almost 39 years old! Two months short of his 39th birthday to be exact. And he dropped 51 points in this pathetic weak defense era 28 games into his revived NBA career after he didn't play for 3 years and simultaneously became the oldest player ever to score 50. AND he dropped 45 the following game two days later. An old man who was nowhere near the shape he was in in the late 80s and early 90s. Still MJ?

Again, to put that in perspective 51 points is 5 points more than his season high of his 90-91 MVP and Finals MVP championship season. The season when he led the league in scoring. In fact, those 51 he dropped at almost 39 are equal or higher to scoring season highs of FOUR of his league leading in scoring seasons of the 90s. And yet it would be impossible for a 37.1 ppg scoring young MJ who constantly drive to the basket to score 100. Keep comforting yourself. MJ is definitely cocky and arrogant, but he was speaking from experience of how good he was in his prime compared to the points he was able to score in a game at 39-40 when he played with the Wizards.

AI - Is he a better player than Payton/Kidd? Probably not all around..no way.. But is he more effective? Without a doubt. The AI that went to the Finals would KILL those PGs you listed.


Allen Iverson effective? The guy was a shot missing, turnover making machine. The AI that went to the finals would kill the guy who went to the finals two times right after him? Maybe on the playground. The influence prime Jason Kidd would have on the chemistry of a starting 5 where the other 4 players were 25-30 ppg scorers each >>>> Iverson. But I consider Kidd to be more of a 00s guy than 90s, I'm just trying to say that he should be in the starting 5 of the 00s over Iverson.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

So out of one side of our mouths we'll all agree That Mike is the best 2 to ever lace em up, but then you're gonna front like TWENTY years in the leaugue doesn't give you a mental edge on the comp? I don't even see why the fact he scored as much as he did amazes you. What changed? Outside of speed and lift, he's STILL MJ. As a young man, Jordan shot TOUGHER shots. As a mature player, he shot EASIER shots MORE OFTEN. Duh.. What's 16 or 17 fifteen footers and lay ups to a game-fit MJ? Regardless of age, he was still in NBA shape. He was STILL MJ. Come on man. Stop it . Just stop, unless you want to make a claim for how amazing it is for a one- knee, two fingered Kobe to beat the Celtics in 7. But I doubt you'd be so fair.


Still MJ? STILL MJ?? Are you saying that the 01-02 MJ was better than the 90-91 MJ? Because he certainly did one thing better in 01-02 than 90-91 - score more points in a game. The man was almost 39 years old! Two months short of his 39th birthday to be exact. And he dropped 51 points in this pathetic weak defense era 28 games into his revived NBA career after he didn't play for 3 years and simultaneously became the oldest player ever to score 50. AND he dropped 45 the following game two days later. An old man who was nowhere near the shape he was in in the late 80s and early 90s. Still MJ?

Again, to put that in perspective 51 points is 5 points more than his season high of his 90-91 MVP and Finals MVP championship season. The season when he led the league in scoring. In fact, those 51 he dropped at almost 39 are equal or higher to scoring season highs of FOUR of his league leading in scoring seasons of the 90s. And yet it would be impossible for a 37.1 ppg scoring young MJ who constantly drive to the basket to score 100. Keep comforting yourself. MJ is definitely cocky and arrogant, but he was speaking from experience of how good he was in his prime compared to the points he was able to score in a game at 39-40 when he played with the Wizards.

AI - Is he a better player than Payton/Kidd? Probably not all around..no way.. But is he more effective? Without a doubt. The AI that went to the Finals would KILL those PGs you listed.


Allen Iverson effective? The guy was a shot missing, turnover making machine. The AI that went to the finals would kill the guy who went to the finals two times right after him? Maybe on the playground. The influence prime Jason Kidd would have on the chemistry of a starting 5 where the other 4 players were 25-30 ppg scorers each >>>> Iverson. But I consider Kidd to be more of a 00s guy than 90s, I'm just trying to say that he should be in the starting 5 of the 00s over Iverson.

 

[murda he]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl


Still MJ? STILL MJ?? Are you saying that the 01-02 MJ was better than the 90-91 MJ?

OH... I get it now! Why didn't you just say that in the first place? Your thing is taking what I say in plain english, making it mean something else, and then arguing with yourself. Carry on then. I won't stop you any longer. Bcause clearly the word STILL and the word BETTER are synonymous and imply improvement through aging and physical deterioration.

 

[murda he]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl


Still MJ? STILL MJ?? Are you saying that the 01-02 MJ was better than the 90-91 MJ?

OH... I get it now! Why didn't you just say that in the first place? Your thing is taking what I say in plain english, making it mean something else, and then arguing with yourself. Carry on then. I won't stop you any longer. Bcause clearly the word STILL and the word BETTER are synonymous and imply improvement through aging and physical deterioration.

 

[slab_diaz]

Originally Posted by Murda He

Originally Posted by cguy610

If you think Kobe is the best scorer ever, you are a Kobe fanboy. 

  

No.. just an observer...

The moves I've seen Kobe pull off are ridiculous. When I say the best scorer ever, I'm not talking about "scored the most". I'm talking about his ability and the variations in which he can get that ball into the rim.  Clearly Kobe is one of the most practiced and studied players to ever step out there. Why do ya'll keep fronting like I'm making this +!** up? Name 3 players with offensive capabilities on par with Kobe. I'll give you one, Jordan. I'll even give you a sleeper pick.. Mello..  now give me one more. I'm talking deep ball, mid range, post up, lay-up, dunk, up and under, buzzer beater, and everything in between. Go ahead. Who's REALLY doing it like Bean?

paul pierce? just throwin one out there.

 

[slab_diaz]

Originally Posted by Murda He

Originally Posted by cguy610

If you think Kobe is the best scorer ever, you are a Kobe fanboy. 

  

No.. just an observer...

The moves I've seen Kobe pull off are ridiculous. When I say the best scorer ever, I'm not talking about "scored the most". I'm talking about his ability and the variations in which he can get that ball into the rim.  Clearly Kobe is one of the most practiced and studied players to ever step out there. Why do ya'll keep fronting like I'm making this +!** up? Name 3 players with offensive capabilities on par with Kobe. I'll give you one, Jordan. I'll even give you a sleeper pick.. Mello..  now give me one more. I'm talking deep ball, mid range, post up, lay-up, dunk, up and under, buzzer beater, and everything in between. Go ahead. Who's REALLY doing it like Bean?

paul pierce? just throwin one out there.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

Originally Posted by Murda He

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl



Still MJ? STILL MJ?? Are you saying that the 01-02 MJ was better than the 90-91 MJ?

OH... I get it now! Why didn't you just say that in the first place? Your thing is taking what I say in plain english, making it mean something else, and then arguing with yourself. Carry on then. I won't stop you any longer. Bcause clearly the word STILL and the word BETTER are synonymous and imply improvement through aging and physical deterioration.

Then what the hell were you talking about when you said that a 39 year-old MJ who was away from basketball 3 years in 2001-02 MJ was "still MJ"? Were you talking about the name that is on his birth certificate? Because he's STILL Michael Jordan here in 2010 as well. Maybe he should suit up and drop 50 at the age of 50 then.