Jordan his Airness, says he can score 100 points in NBA today.

[murda he]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by Murda He

Originally Posted by KRISPACINLA

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

And by the way, what about David Robinson? His 71 came in a non-overtime game.. Does that mean that David Robinson would have a better shot at dropping 100 than MJ?

This man speaks the truth. Noobs take notes.

Certainly... any skilled Big has a MUCH better chance than Jordan at scoring 100 in their prime.

Shows how much you know. Hakeem Olajuwon is more skilled than David Robinson. You will not find a single human being outside of David Robinson's family who thinks the opposite. Yet Hakeem's career high is 52 and David Robinson's is 71.

Derrick Coleman was considered to be a "skilled big man". I guess that means he would have a better shot at 100 than MJ as well according to your dumb logic.

David Robinson scored 71 against the Clippers in the last game of the season to win the scoring title. It wasn't spontaneous and his teammates when out their way to make sure he had enough shots to get it.

And yet he still took 5 shots less than Kobe in his 81 point game. So if Kobe could take 46 shots in a "spontaneous" game whereas David could only manage to get 41 where his teammates went out of their way to give him every shot possible, what does that say about this era?

I was not insinuating David was better or more skilled than Dream. I just used David as an example..  Now you're just being silly.. you knew what I meant..

 

[deuce king]

Why would anybody in their right mind ever doubt Jordan on the court??

 

[deuce king]

Why would anybody in their right mind ever doubt Jordan on the court??

 

[the wizard]

he also thinks he can run a NBA team...I take everything he says with a grain of salt

 

[the wizard]

he also thinks he can run a NBA team...I take everything he says with a grain of salt

 

[nikepennyiv]

IMO there's no way Jordan would have scored 100 today, although he could have equaled Kobe's 81. But 100 just isn't going to happen, not for Jordan or anyone else. Wilt scored 100 at a time when no one could compete with him athletically, and it took a lot of intentional fouling in the last few minutes for him to get to 100. He also shot 28 for 32 from the line despite being a Shaq-esque free throw shooter throughout his career.

 

[nikepennyiv]

IMO there's no way Jordan would have scored 100 today, although he could have equaled Kobe's 81. But 100 just isn't going to happen, not for Jordan or anyone else. Wilt scored 100 at a time when no one could compete with him athletically, and it took a lot of intentional fouling in the last few minutes for him to get to 100. He also shot 28 for 32 from the line despite being a Shaq-esque free throw shooter throughout his career.

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

And yet he still took 5 shots less than Kobe in his 81 point game. So if Kobe could take 46 shots in a "spontaneous" game whereas David could only manage to get 41 where his teammates went out of their way to give him every shot possible, what does that say about this era?

I just wanted to point out how stupid this statement is

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

And yet he still took 5 shots less than Kobe in his 81 point game. So if Kobe could take 46 shots in a "spontaneous" game whereas David could only manage to get 41 where his teammates went out of their way to give him every shot possible, what does that say about this era?

I just wanted to point out how stupid this statement is

 

[hella handsome]

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen Iverson

Kobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

Some variables can be Dirk, possibly even Vince and TMac in good health. 

Who's stopping this team? Don't get me wrong, I grew up watching non stop sports as a kid in the 90's, and the Dream Team was the best team ever assembled. But that was only because all of those guys were in their PRIME (give or take Magic and Bird) 

But if the 00-09 team is filled with these guys in their PRIME (KG, Tim, Shaq, Kobe, and AI, along with the shooting ability of a young Ray Allen, and the defensive ability of Dwight and the killer instinct of Wade and Lebron)  Its going to be a PROBLEM. Not to mention Lebron and Dwight, and Shaq's shot blocking abilities. (KG is a threat too)

AI's speed in my opinion is unmatched in this game. 

But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is no chance of the 90-99 team to win, they can DEFINITELY win, but this is just the team I would put my money on. But again, these players have to be in their primes. Because if you look at the Dream Team, that was a team of the best players on earth, IN THEIR PRIME, put together, and those were the guys that dominated that entire decade. 

This 00-09 team saw their prime's all at different times throughout the decade. 

Also, as for Mike scoring 100. Simply put, I don't see it happening. But if he did it, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised or amazed. The rules catering to the game now would definitely play into MJ's favor. No hand checking? Mike would have a field day. All he has to worry about is his 3 point shooting and the amount of time left on the clock. 

But, he should humble himself more. Mike seems to just say anything, but then turn around in interviews and say things like "Theres no one greatest of all time in the leagues history, there have been great guys before me, blah blah blah..." But then turn around and say things of this nature, pretty much spitting on this leagues generation now.

[edit]

And at the end of the day, Kobe and MJ are just shadows to who broke the barriers before them-

And

So I never understand why people come in and argue over MJ and Kobe about rings and points, when the OG greatest players haven't been dethroned from their titles of achievements. 

 

[hella handsome]

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen Iverson

Kobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

Some variables can be Dirk, possibly even Vince and TMac in good health. 

Who's stopping this team? Don't get me wrong, I grew up watching non stop sports as a kid in the 90's, and the Dream Team was the best team ever assembled. But that was only because all of those guys were in their PRIME (give or take Magic and Bird) 

But if the 00-09 team is filled with these guys in their PRIME (KG, Tim, Shaq, Kobe, and AI, along with the shooting ability of a young Ray Allen, and the defensive ability of Dwight and the killer instinct of Wade and Lebron)  Its going to be a PROBLEM. Not to mention Lebron and Dwight, and Shaq's shot blocking abilities. (KG is a threat too)

AI's speed in my opinion is unmatched in this game. 

But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is no chance of the 90-99 team to win, they can DEFINITELY win, but this is just the team I would put my money on. But again, these players have to be in their primes. Because if you look at the Dream Team, that was a team of the best players on earth, IN THEIR PRIME, put together, and those were the guys that dominated that entire decade. 

This 00-09 team saw their prime's all at different times throughout the decade. 

Also, as for Mike scoring 100. Simply put, I don't see it happening. But if he did it, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised or amazed. The rules catering to the game now would definitely play into MJ's favor. No hand checking? Mike would have a field day. All he has to worry about is his 3 point shooting and the amount of time left on the clock. 

But, he should humble himself more. Mike seems to just say anything, but then turn around in interviews and say things like "Theres no one greatest of all time in the leagues history, there have been great guys before me, blah blah blah..." But then turn around and say things of this nature, pretty much spitting on this leagues generation now.

[edit]

And at the end of the day, Kobe and MJ are just shadows to who broke the barriers before them-

And

So I never understand why people come in and argue over MJ and Kobe about rings and points, when the OG greatest players haven't been dethroned from their titles of achievements. 

 

[Deleted member 38307]

He could not. No hate, he just couldn't.

 

[Deleted member 38307]

He could not. No hate, he just couldn't.

 

[mr jordan04]

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by Jehlers02

Most of us get it, Jordan would put up mad numbers in todays game. But everyone needs to open their eyes and see how much of an egotistical tool he is.

i'd be as a ego maniac too if i was da best basketball player EVER on earth.

 

[mr jordan04]

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by Jehlers02

Most of us get it, Jordan would put up mad numbers in todays game. But everyone needs to open their eyes and see how much of an egotistical tool he is.

i'd be as a ego maniac too if i was da best basketball player EVER on earth.

 

[bijald0331]

Wilt is top 2 all time?

Dude could not win to save his life. Most dominant player EVER and he could not win for YEARS. Dude was traded at the PEAK of his career. Can you believe that? Traded!!! What kind of teammate/person was this guy? 

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1960–61	—	Eastern	2nd¤	46	33	.582	11	Lost Eastern Division Semifinals vs. Syracuse Nationals, 3–0[sup][16][/sup]	—
1961–62	—	Eastern	2nd¤	49	31	.613	11	Won Eastern Division Semifinals vs. Syracuse Nationals, 3–2 Lost Eastern Division Finals vs. Boston Celtics, 4–3[sup][17][/sup]	—
San Francisco Warriors
1962–63	—	Western	4th	31	49	.388	22	Did not reach the Playoffs	—
1963–64	—	Western^	1st^	48	32	.600	—	Won Western Division Finals vs. St. Louis Hawks, 4–3 Lost NBA Finals vs. Boston Celtics, 4–1[sup][18][/sup]	—
1964–65	—	Western	5th	17	63	.213	32	Did not reach the Playoffs (WC traded halfway)

Bill Russell is a different story. This is how I describe it: Bill Russell, greatest teammate of all time; Jordan, greatest player of all time. Russell did everything but dominate offensively. Career 44% for an athletic freak(for his time); that athleticism translated seamlessly to defense.Team, team, and team is all you hear when one brings up Russell.

Bill could and would sacrifice and be the best team player. Mike could and would dominate the game by himself and was the best player. It's different. Top 2 right there.

Another way of looking at it:
If you started a team from scratch, who would you take? Jordan.
If you needed to complete a team, and either SG or C were the final position, who would you take? Russell. He can fit any team, any time.

 

[bijald0331]

Wilt is top 2 all time?

Dude could not win to save his life. Most dominant player EVER and he could not win for YEARS. Dude was traded at the PEAK of his career. Can you believe that? Traded!!! What kind of teammate/person was this guy? 

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1960–61	—	Eastern	2nd¤	46	33	.582	11	Lost Eastern Division Semifinals vs. Syracuse Nationals, 3–0[sup][16][/sup]	—
1961–62	—	Eastern	2nd¤	49	31	.613	11	Won Eastern Division Semifinals vs. Syracuse Nationals, 3–2 Lost Eastern Division Finals vs. Boston Celtics, 4–3[sup][17][/sup]	—
San Francisco Warriors
1962–63	—	Western	4th	31	49	.388	22	Did not reach the Playoffs	—
1963–64	—	Western^	1st^	48	32	.600	—	Won Western Division Finals vs. St. Louis Hawks, 4–3 Lost NBA Finals vs. Boston Celtics, 4–1[sup][18][/sup]	—
1964–65	—	Western	5th	17	63	.213	32	Did not reach the Playoffs (WC traded halfway)

Bill Russell is a different story. This is how I describe it: Bill Russell, greatest teammate of all time; Jordan, greatest player of all time. Russell did everything but dominate offensively. Career 44% for an athletic freak(for his time); that athleticism translated seamlessly to defense.Team, team, and team is all you hear when one brings up Russell.

Bill could and would sacrifice and be the best team player. Mike could and would dominate the game by himself and was the best player. It's different. Top 2 right there.

Another way of looking at it:
If you started a team from scratch, who would you take? Jordan.
If you needed to complete a team, and either SG or C were the final position, who would you take? Russell. He can fit any team, any time.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

Originally Posted by Murda He

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by Murda He

Originally Posted by KRISPACINLA

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

And by the way, what about David Robinson? His 71 came in a non-overtime game.. Does that mean that David Robinson would have a better shot at dropping 100 than MJ?

This man speaks the truth. Noobs take notes.

Certainly... any skilled Big has a MUCH better chance than Jordan at scoring 100 in their prime.

Shows how much you know. Hakeem Olajuwon is more skilled than David Robinson. You will not find a single human being outside of David Robinson's family who thinks the opposite. Yet Hakeem's career high is 52 and David Robinson's is 71.



Derrick Coleman was considered to be a "skilled big man". I guess that means he would have a better shot at 100 than MJ as well according to your dumb logic.

David Robinson scored 71 against the Clippers in the last game of the season to win the scoring title. It wasn't spontaneous and his teammates when out their way to make sure he had enough shots to get it.

And yet he still took 5 shots less than Kobe in his 81 point game. So if Kobe could take 46 shots in a "spontaneous" game whereas David could only manage to get 41 where his teammates went out of their way to give him every shot possible, what does that say about this era?

I was not insinuating David was better or more skilled than Dream. I just used David as an example..  Now you're just being silly.. you knew what I meant..



No, I really don't know what you meant.

That's why Kobe has lower lows than Mike but will end his career with slightly more ridiculous feats of bucket-getting (81, 62 in 3 quarters, 40 point streak, 12 threes in a game, etc).


No. The real reason why Kobe has those games is that they came in an era with weak defense and offense friendly rules. You can even see the scoring averages of some players who played in Jordan's time such as Gary Payton, Chris Webber and Grant Hill explode when they entered the Kobe era. The fact that scoring became so much easier for so many star players in the 1999-00 season is not a coincidence. Even Mike himself as a DAMN 39-40 YEAR OLD with the Wizards had 51 point, 2 x 45 point, 44 point, 43 point, 2 x 41 and a 40 point game. He dropped 50 and had 8 40+ point games in the 142 games he played as a geezer with the Wizards.

Here's a hilarious piece of information that I think everyone should know about: The most points Mike scored in the 1990-91 season over 82 games as a 28-year old was 46. The most points he scored in the 2001-02 season over 60 games as a 39 year-old after being away from pro basketball for 3 years was 51. So the next time you Kobe huggers and Jordan deniers dare to compare the Kobe and Mike eras straight up, keep this in mind.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

Originally Posted by Murda He

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by Murda He

Originally Posted by KRISPACINLA

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

And by the way, what about David Robinson? His 71 came in a non-overtime game.. Does that mean that David Robinson would have a better shot at dropping 100 than MJ?

This man speaks the truth. Noobs take notes.

Certainly... any skilled Big has a MUCH better chance than Jordan at scoring 100 in their prime.

Shows how much you know. Hakeem Olajuwon is more skilled than David Robinson. You will not find a single human being outside of David Robinson's family who thinks the opposite. Yet Hakeem's career high is 52 and David Robinson's is 71.



Derrick Coleman was considered to be a "skilled big man". I guess that means he would have a better shot at 100 than MJ as well according to your dumb logic.

David Robinson scored 71 against the Clippers in the last game of the season to win the scoring title. It wasn't spontaneous and his teammates when out their way to make sure he had enough shots to get it.

And yet he still took 5 shots less than Kobe in his 81 point game. So if Kobe could take 46 shots in a "spontaneous" game whereas David could only manage to get 41 where his teammates went out of their way to give him every shot possible, what does that say about this era?

I was not insinuating David was better or more skilled than Dream. I just used David as an example..  Now you're just being silly.. you knew what I meant..



No, I really don't know what you meant.

That's why Kobe has lower lows than Mike but will end his career with slightly more ridiculous feats of bucket-getting (81, 62 in 3 quarters, 40 point streak, 12 threes in a game, etc).


No. The real reason why Kobe has those games is that they came in an era with weak defense and offense friendly rules. You can even see the scoring averages of some players who played in Jordan's time such as Gary Payton, Chris Webber and Grant Hill explode when they entered the Kobe era. The fact that scoring became so much easier for so many star players in the 1999-00 season is not a coincidence. Even Mike himself as a DAMN 39-40 YEAR OLD with the Wizards had 51 point, 2 x 45 point, 44 point, 43 point, 2 x 41 and a 40 point game. He dropped 50 and had 8 40+ point games in the 142 games he played as a geezer with the Wizards.

Here's a hilarious piece of information that I think everyone should know about: The most points Mike scored in the 1990-91 season over 82 games as a 28-year old was 46. The most points he scored in the 2001-02 season over 60 games as a 39 year-old after being away from pro basketball for 3 years was 51. So the next time you Kobe huggers and Jordan deniers dare to compare the Kobe and Mike eras straight up, keep this in mind.

 

[nash]

Originally Posted by hella handsome

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen Iverson

Kobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

wait, what?  How are people who came into the league in the 1990s (Kobe, Shuttlesworth, KG, Shaq, AI, Duncan) on this team?

 

[nash]

Originally Posted by hella handsome

Heres my thoughts on the arguments in here
90-99 vs 00-09? 

00-09 Starters-

Allen Iverson

Kobe Bryant

Lebron James

Tim Duncan

Shaq

Bench-

Ray Allen

Dwight Howard

Dwyane Wade

Kevin Garnet

Steve Nash

wait, what?  How are people who came into the league in the 1990s (Kobe, Shuttlesworth, KG, Shaq, AI, Duncan) on this team?

 

[airuphere23]

The ignorance in this thread is boundless.

 

[airuphere23]

The ignorance in this thread is boundless.

 

[mo matik]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

That's why Kobe has lower lows than Mike but will end his career with slightly more ridiculous feats of bucket-getting (81, 62 in 3 quarters, 40 point streak, 12 threes in a game, etc).

No. The real reason why Kobe has those games is that they came in an era with weak defense and offense friendly rules. You can even see the scoring averages of some players who played in Jordan's time such as Gary Payton, Chris Webber and Grant Hill explode when they entered the Kobe era. The fact that scoring became so much easier for so many star players in the 1999-00 season is not a coincidence. Even Mike himself as a DAMN 39-40 YEAR OLD with the Wizards had 51 point, 2 x 45 point, 44 point, 43 point, 2 x 41 and a 40 point game. He dropped 50 and had 8 40+ point games in the 142 games he played as a geezer with the Wizards.

Here's a hilarious piece of information that I think everyone should know about: The most points Mike scored in the 1990-91 season over 82 games as a 28-year old was 46. The most points he scored in the 2001-02 season over 60 games as a 39 year-old after being away from pro basketball for 3 years was 51. So the next time you Kobe huggers and Jordan deniers dare to compare the Kobe and Mike eras straight up, keep this in mind.
I gotta disagree a bit here.

Yes, Kobe certainly benefited from playing in the era he does.  However, Kobe has proven his offensive ability by doing things other talented players cannot, in the same era.

Wade?  Lebron?  Carmelo?  These offensive talents have been able to do great things in the same era, but Kobe's accomplishments on the offensive end certainly stand out in comparison. 

It's a combination of both his talent and the era.  What is more significant out of the two is up for debate.

 

[mo matik]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

That's why Kobe has lower lows than Mike but will end his career with slightly more ridiculous feats of bucket-getting (81, 62 in 3 quarters, 40 point streak, 12 threes in a game, etc).

No. The real reason why Kobe has those games is that they came in an era with weak defense and offense friendly rules. You can even see the scoring averages of some players who played in Jordan's time such as Gary Payton, Chris Webber and Grant Hill explode when they entered the Kobe era. The fact that scoring became so much easier for so many star players in the 1999-00 season is not a coincidence. Even Mike himself as a DAMN 39-40 YEAR OLD with the Wizards had 51 point, 2 x 45 point, 44 point, 43 point, 2 x 41 and a 40 point game. He dropped 50 and had 8 40+ point games in the 142 games he played as a geezer with the Wizards.

Here's a hilarious piece of information that I think everyone should know about: The most points Mike scored in the 1990-91 season over 82 games as a 28-year old was 46. The most points he scored in the 2001-02 season over 60 games as a 39 year-old after being away from pro basketball for 3 years was 51. So the next time you Kobe huggers and Jordan deniers dare to compare the Kobe and Mike eras straight up, keep this in mind.
I gotta disagree a bit here.

Yes, Kobe certainly benefited from playing in the era he does.  However, Kobe has proven his offensive ability by doing things other talented players cannot, in the same era.

Wade?  Lebron?  Carmelo?  These offensive talents have been able to do great things in the same era, but Kobe's accomplishments on the offensive end certainly stand out in comparison. 

It's a combination of both his talent and the era.  What is more significant out of the two is up for debate.