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I think it's okay to not know who Paul McCartney is, because at this point we all don't know who he is, since he has been dead for 45 years.
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HankMoody wrote:
Originally Posted by LDJ
HankMoody wrote:
The people in that video are idiots. You want your knowledge of music to be associated with their knowledge of black history? Okay then.
well most of the most pop music og with black artist so..... so kinda brings your earlier point into full circle... aka saying your a big rap fan and not knowing who sugar hill gang is... saying you a rock fan and not knowing who little richard.jimi is... etc and so on
<> Come again?
You want your knowledge of music to be associated with their knowledge of black history? Okay then.
the majority of said music og. history derives from black ppl aka black history... im pretty sure james brown, chuck berry etc are apart of black history i mean even country comes from old slave limericks and i, pretty sure slavery is apart of black history... yet the avid person doesnt know or acknowledge this
Originally Posted by LDJ
HankMoody wrote:
Originally Posted by LDJ
well most of the most pop music og with black artist so..... so kinda brings your earlier point into full circle... aka saying your a big rap fan and not knowing who sugar hill gang is... saying you a rock fan and not knowing who little richard.jimi is... etc and so on
<> Come again?
Originally Posted by blakep267
this concept is dumb, because nobody knows everything. i can rattle off authors, designers at nike, composers, writers and not everybody would know who they are. Like, "you didnt know that the Naruto anime isnt exactly the same as the manga?", you're ignorant and not a true fan or anime/manga. Etc. Its just that people like to feel superior by thinking they know more than others. Its just snobbery. Like a little while back where those fat losers posted that video during that campout spotting "hypebeasts".
I can name 3 beatles, I never was a fan of them so I cant rattle off more than 1-3 songs. Doesnt mean I dont like music. Why should I force myself to listen to something I dont really like. And Paul hasnt been relevant in ages, At least we still hear MJ songs around every now and then.
Originally Posted by hugebird
I think it's okay to not know who Paul McCartney is, because at this point we all don't know who he is, since he has been dead for 45 years.
Originally Posted by 757bred
Originally Posted by hugebird
I think it's okay to not know who Paul McCartney is, because at this point we all don't know who he is, since he has been dead for 45 years.
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
If someone barely knows anything about the Beetles how on earth do you expect them to know the Wings.Originally Posted by Vendetta
Something to note, Paul McCartney wasn't only associated with The Beatles. He also formed the famous band Wings and had a successful solo career later in life.
And for those of you that couldn't understand why I brought up Bone and 3-6 I brought them up to prove the point that a lot of non Urban people don't know (or give a damn about) music that they are probably not exposed to. I was not comparing those people to the Beetles nor was I saying they were on their level from a historical pov. But they are still part of music history. If someone doesn't know of those groups why wouldn't I be able to say, "I won't speak music with you." I mean the Beetles are SUPER Mainstream. So wouldn't someone get more credit for knowing someone that isn't in their typical listening circle?
Ask-ask Paul McCartney
The lawyers couldn't stop me.......
hugebird wrote:
You want your knowledge of music to be associated with their knowledge of black history? Okay then.
the majority of said music og. history derives from black ppl aka black history... im pretty sure james brown, chuck berry etc are apart of black history i mean even country comes from old slave limericks�and i, pretty sure slavery is apart of black history... yet the avid person doesnt know or acknowledge this
You totally missed Hank Moody's point here.
how so.. they are intertwined with one another..
Originally Posted by RavageBX
It's ok not to know who Paul McCartney is. It's not ok to want people to respect your musical opinion afterwards though. That's like wanting to talk politics but not knowing who Abe Lincoln is. In general you should be knowledgeable of people who have had historical impact in all walks of life. It's called being well-rounded.
Originally Posted by oidreez
Originally Posted by RavageBX
It's ok not to know who Paul McCartney is. It's not ok to want people to respect your musical opinion afterwards though. That's like wanting to talk politics but not knowing who Abe Lincoln is. In general you should be knowledgeable of people who have had historical impact in all walks of life. It's called being well-rounded.
i dont agree with this. "you don't know who Paul McCartney is so i can't respect what you have to say about music" doesn't make sense
Originally Posted by StillIn729
it's even worse to make a thread about not knowing who he is
Originally Posted by psk2310
It's fine that younger folks don't know who he is. I was 14 years deep in volunteer work specifically with homeless advocacy, adult & teen literacy, & child welfare (not welfare checks) in one of the most violent cities on earth. I specifically worked with teens & most didn't know who Marcus Garvey, George Washington Carver, Ben Carson, or Kevin Clancy was let alone a white rock & roller like Paul McCartney. Shoot, most of the kids I worked with thought old school hip hop was Dr. Dre & old school R&B as Whitney Houston...
Originally Posted by seasoned vet
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
If someone barely knows anything about the Beetles how on earth do you expect them to know the Wings.Originally Posted by Vendetta
Something to note, Paul McCartney wasn't only associated with The Beatles. He also formed the famous band Wings and had a successful solo career later in life.
And for those of you that couldn't understand why I brought up Bone and 3-6 I brought them up to prove the point that a lot of non Urban people don't know (or give a damn about) music that they are probably not exposed to. I was not comparing those people to the Beetles nor was I saying they were on their level from a historical pov. But they are still part of music history. If someone doesn't know of those groups why wouldn't I be able to say, "I won't speak music with you." I mean the Beetles are SUPER Mainstream. So wouldn't someone get more credit for knowing someone that isn't in their typical listening circle?
....but your analogy sucked balls.
....Bone? 3-6? stop it. sure, 3-6 has done historical things but as far as making a historical impact? nah. a more on point artist/group to use for your analogy would be a James Brown, EWF, Isley Brothers, Stevie Wonder type.
....the irony of your flawed argument is those same 'urban youth' you defend, that dont know who Paul McCartney is, dont know major black historical artists/groups either.
...ive had many conversations with these young 'urban types', and its less about race and/or being more familiar with their culture and more to do with their poor attitude towards anything outside of their lifetime and what they already know.
...its been many of times ive seen a scoff, smacked lip in disgust, or a rolled eye from 'urban youth' when challenged because they claim to know so much music yet they dont know classic black artists like James Brown, EWF, the Isleys, Stevies Wonder, etc.
....their excuse? it was before my time. but thats a bull $++# answer. i too was once their age, but it never stopped me from getting familiar with those same artists that were before my time as well.
.....then you have older black folks (like DC) that reverberate the excuse like its a fact, giving it validity. older black folks (older than early 20's) love chiming in to these dumb !!@ kids defense citing ignorance. as if somehow music started the year these kids were born, so anything before that time is irrelevant.
....it all bull $++#. i grew up listening to every artist listed above plus more. and NO, i didnt grow up in a household that played those artists, but once i was exposed to it, i didnt just brush it to the side because it was before i was born. good music is good music and i wanna hear it all.
......the only things them dumb !!@ kids know about Paul McCartney is:
Ask-ask Paul McCartney
The lawyers couldn't stop me.......
Originally Posted by sillyputty
I think the Beatles are a legendary group, but I feel that their influence is slightly overstated
What does him not being a US Citizen have to do with anything? That's like saying Celine Dion ain't %!!# cause she is a Canadian. Stop that.Originally Posted by sillyputty
To be honest...knowing who Paul McCartney is doesn't matter when most people don't know who their senators and representatives are or much history about their own countrymen...so I really don't care what a teenager knows in relation to his EXTRACURRICULAR life. Pop-Trivia won't save the world unless our Alien overlords are fans of jeopardy....
...and McCartney isn't even a US Citizen. Keep that in mind.
I think the Beatles are a legendary group, but I feel that their influence is slightly overstated, especially when people are making a case for rap/hip-hop. I come from a Jamaican heritage and I know for a fact that Jamaicans and Reggae has had a more massive influence on early Hip-Hop than Rock music...they were rapping like that back in the late 60s and early 70s while dues here were still on that Sugar Hill rhyme scheme. Your first DJs and rappers were Jamaicans who were living in NYC.
Originally Posted by cap1229
What does him not being a US Citizen have to do with anything? That's like saying Celine Dion ain't %!!# cause she is a Canadian. Stop that.Originally Posted by sillyputty
To be honest...knowing who Paul McCartney is doesn't matter when most people don't know who their senators and representatives are or much history about their own countrymen...so I really don't care what a teenager knows in relation to his EXTRACURRICULAR life. Pop-Trivia won't save the world unless our Alien overlords are fans of jeopardy....
...and McCartney isn't even a US Citizen. Keep that in mind.
I think the Beatles are a legendary group, but I feel that their influence is slightly overstated, especially when people are making a case for rap/hip-hop. I come from a Jamaican heritage and I know for a fact that Jamaicans and Reggae has had a more massive influence on early Hip-Hop than Rock music...they were rapping like that back in the late 60s and early 70s while dues here were still on that Sugar Hill rhyme scheme. Your first DJs and rappers were Jamaicans who were living in NYC.
Originally Posted by PLVN
Originally Posted by sillyputty
I think the Beatles are a legendary group, but I feel that their influence is slightly overstated
What does Paul McCartney have to do with national security or knowing how to make your representatives hear your voice? Or how to start a business? or materials science?Originally Posted by cap1229
What does him not being a US Citizen have to do with anything? That's like saying Celine Dion ain't %!!# cause she is a Canadian. Stop that.Originally Posted by sillyputty
To be honest...knowing who Paul McCartney is doesn't matter when most people don't know who their senators and representatives are or much history about their own countrymen...so I really don't care what a teenager knows in relation to his EXTRACURRICULAR life. Pop-Trivia won't save the world unless our Alien overlords are fans of jeopardy....
...and McCartney isn't even a US Citizen. Keep that in mind.
I think the Beatles are a legendary group, but I feel that their influence is slightly overstated, especially when people are making a case for rap/hip-hop. I come from a Jamaican heritage and I know for a fact that Jamaicans and Reggae has had a more massive influence on early Hip-Hop than Rock music...they were rapping like that back in the late 60s and early 70s while dues here were still on that Sugar Hill rhyme scheme. Your first DJs and rappers were Jamaicans who were living in NYC.
So?Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby
Originally Posted by PLVN
Originally Posted by sillyputty
I think the Beatles are a legendary group, but I feel that their influence is slightly overstated
You think way to highly of this dude, Im sure more people over all in America know more about Bob Marley then Paul.
Paul was in a band when you are in a band, you don't have that much individuality.