How Do You Feel about the HB2 law? VOL....NORTH CAROLINA

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I don't think ninja fully understands the concept of applying consistent logic to different topics

 

[sn00pee]

He stopped comprehending logic when he thought using 'da' was the dopest trademark ever

 

[streetsampras]

http://www.acpeds.org/wordpress/wp-...nder-Ideology-Harms-Clarified-DT-formated.pdf

Since folks would rather go back and forth about trolling/not trolling instead of addressing the topic at hand:

1. Human sexuality is an objective biological binary trait: “XY” and “XX” are genetic markers of health – not genetic markers of a disorder. The norm for human design is to be conceived either male or female. Human sexuality is binary by design with the obvious purpose being the reproduction and flourishing of our species. This principle is self-evident. The exceedingly rare disorders of sex development (DSDs), including but not limited to testicular feminization and congenital adrenal hyperplasia, are all medically identifiable deviations from the sexual binary norm, and are rightly recognized as disorders of human design. Individuals with DSDs do not constitute a third sex.1

2. No one is born with a gender. Everyone is born with a biological sex. Gender (an awareness and sense of oneself as male or female) is a sociological and psychological concept; not an objective biological one. No one is born with an awareness of themselves as male or female; this awareness develops over time and, like all developmental processes, may be derailed by a child’s subjective perceptions, relationships, and adverse experiences from infancy forward. People who identify as “feeling like the opposite sex” or “somewhere in between” do not comprise a third sex. They remain biological men or biological women.2,3,4

3. A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such. These children suffer from gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria (GD), formerly listed as Gender Identity Disorder (GID), is a recognized mental disorder in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-V).5 The psychodynamic and social learning theories of GD/GID have never been disproved.2,4,5

4. Puberty is not a disease and puberty-blocking hormones can be dangerous. Reversible or not, puberty- blocking hormones induce a state of disease – the absence of puberty – and inhibit growth and fertility in a previously biologically healthy child.6 American College of Pediatricians • March 2016 • www.ACPeds.org

5. According to the DSM-V, as many as 98% of gender confused boys and 88% of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty.5

6. Children who use puberty blockers to impersonate the opposite sex will require cross-sex hormones in late adolescence. Cross-sex hormones (testosterone and estrogen) are associated with dangerous health risks including but not limited to high blood pressure, blood clots, stroke and cancer.7,8,9,10

7. Rates of suicide are twenty times greater among adults who use cross-sex hormones and undergo sex reassignment surgery, even in Sweden which is among the most LGBQT – affirming countries.11 What compassionate and reasonable person would condemn young children to this fate knowing that after puberty as many as 88% of girls and 98% of boys will eventually accept reality and achieve a state of mental and physical health?

8. Conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse. Endorsing gender discordance as normal via public education and legal policies will confuse children and parents, leading more children to present to “gender clinics” where they will be given puberty-blocking drugs. This, in turn, virtually ensures that they will “choose” a lifetime of carcinogenic and otherwise toxic cross-sex hormones, and likely consider unnecessary surgical mutilation of their healthy body parts as young adults.  

 

[sn00pee]

I agree, going as far as surgery for a person who hasn't hit puberty is pretty insane.

Allowing them to portray the gender they feel freely is a different story tho

 

[ninjahood]

Gender dysphoria (GD), formerly listed as Gender Identity Disorder (GID), is a recognized mental disorder in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-V).5 The psychodynamic and social learning theories of GD/GID have never been disproved.2,4,5

Da APA strikes again.

Glad some actual science is being laid down.

Who knows thou, maybe transsexual activists will storm da APA offices and threaten da delisting...lightning striking twice.

Who knows though... 1/10th of one percent of da population is still smaller than da NAMBLA clique da author of da bathroom bill in North Carolina chad sevearance represents..

 

[kingkoopa]

2. No one is born with a gender. Everyone is born with a biological sex. Gender (an awareness and sense of oneself as male or female) is a sociological and psychological concept; not an objective biological one. No one is born with an awareness of themselves as male or female; this awareness develops over time and, like all developmental processes, may be derailed by a child’s subjective perceptions, relationships, and adverse experiences from infancy forward. People who identify as “feeling like the opposite sex” or “somewhere in between” do not comprise a third sex. They remain biological men or biological women.2,3,4

3. A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such.

8. Conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse.

@LIONBLOOD  @Master Zik  

 

[sn00pee]

I see you guys have no idea of mental health disorders and just have this ultra negative association that people are mentally ill

There are many different ways to resolve these issues in a healthy way.

 

[ninjahood]

Thinkprogress.org? Really?

Thats like da farrr leftwing breitbart.

 

[AZwildcats]

gender is not an absolute polarity. it's mores a sliding spectrum.


not everything is blue and pink.

There is a sex organ other than a penis or vagina? I'd say gender is pretty clear cut, maybe sexuality can vary

 

[ninjahood]

Thinkprogress.org? Really?


Thats like da farrr leftwing breitbart.

Right like the stormfront-esque websites you get all your crap from are any better.

All my sources are non partisan.

Your response to street sampras's objective & cited article was a hackjob from a faaaar left thinkprogress..bravo [emoji]128079[/emoji]

 

[ninjahood]

Yet Anton, completely ignores...

ABOUT HARRY HAY

In 1950, in the midst of America’s most conservative decade, Harry Hay started the Mattachine Society, the country’s first successful gay liberation organization. Harry’s ideas would become the guiding principles of the US gay rights movement.

http://www.harryhay.com/

Harry Hay, who founded a secret organization six decades ago that proved to be the catalyst for the American gay rights movement, died early Thursday morning at his home in San Francisco. He was 90.

Although little known in the broader national culture over the years, Mr. Hay's contribution was to do what no one else had done before: plant the idea among American homosexuals that they formed an oppressed cultural minority of their own, like blacks, and to create a lasting organization in which homosexuals could come together to socialize and to pursue what was, at the beginning, the very radical concept of homosexual rights.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/25/obituaries/25HAY.html

And yet..

Hay came to be viewed as an elder statesman within the gay community, and was regularly invited to give speeches to LGBT activist and student groups. He was the featured speaker at the San Francisco Gay Pride Parade in 1982, and Grand Marshal of the Long Beach Gay Pride Parade in 1986. In 1989, West Hollywood city council awarded him an honor for his years of activism while that year he was invited to give a lecture at the Sorbonne in Paris, France, which he turned down.[174] He nevertheless remained highly critical of the mainstream gay rights movement. Hay joined several other early gay rights activists in protesting the exclusion of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) from participation in LGBT social movements, most noticeably pride parades on the grounds that such exclusions pandered to heterosexual-dominated society


When questioned on his support for NAMBLA in a 1983 New York University forum, he remarked "If the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world", highlighting his own relationship with an adult man when he was 14.[175] At the 1986 Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade he courted controversy by carrying a banner with "NAMBLA Walks With Me" written on it, after organizers banned the group from joining the march; the organisers complained to police and he narrowly avoided arrest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hay

All non partison sites.

With da citations in da links.

selective outrage runs rampant with u.

 

[ninjahood]

Da age of consent in DR is 18...juxtaposed to da FOUNDER of da United States Gay Rights Movement an ardent NAMBLA advocate?

Yeah..might wanna sound LESS dense anton.

Meanwhile da author of da bathroom bill in North Carolina is a registered pedophile.

Still no outrage from you..

 

[sn00pee]

Da age of consent in DR is 18...juxtaposed to da FOUNDER of da United States Gay Rights Movement an ardent NAMBLA advocate?

Yeah..might wanna sound LESS dense anton.

Meanwhile da author of da bathroom bill in North Carolina is a registered pedophile.

Still no outrage from you..

What correlation does this have with the issue at hand?

Yes he was a pedophile, $%# him.

There are going to be a few people from ANY MOVEMENT, that have shady pasts.

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MOVEMENT.

STOP TRYING TO CORRELATE SOMETHING THAT HAS NO SUBSTANTIAL RELEVANCE

 

[ninjahood]

What correlation does this have with the issue at hand?

Why is North Carolina being punished for correcting a law that was changed by a pedophile for da purposes of serving his ideology?

 

[RustyShackleford]

So Ninja is using the author of the bill personal life to attack the city ordinance. Which in itself is a logical fallacy, shooting the messenger

But lets put that to the side

This is the same dude that be telling folk to ignore social issues to vote for Trump, that he makes good points on "da free trade".

Famb's hypocrisy know no limits

 

[ninjahood]

This is the same dude that be telling folk to ignore social issues to vote for Trump, that he makes good points on "da free trade".

*cough* da Donald has no problem wit transsexuals using w/e bathroom *cough*

 

[sn00pee]

Why is North Carolina being punished for correcting a law that was changed by a pedophile for da purposes of serving his ideology?

Because the ordinance had nothing to do with glorifying pedophilia.

 

[RustyShackleford]

This is the same dude that be telling folk to ignore social issues to vote for Trump, that he makes good points on "da free trade".

*cough* da Donald has no problem wit transsexuals using w/e bathroom *cough*

*cough* He does have an issue with black people, Muslims, women, and Mexicans *cough*

 

[ninjahood]

This is the same dude that be telling folk to ignore social issues to vote for Trump, that he makes good points on "da free trade".

*cough* da Donald has no problem wit transsexuals using w/e bathroom *cough*

*cough* He does have an issue with black people, Muslims, women, and Mexicans *cough*

Oh yeah? Quote something, cuz u pulled that one right out your ***.

Besides u deflecting anyways.

States got a right to set ordinances on bathrooms whether u like it or not, and a pedophile decided he wanted to push a agenda, and it was altered, then Reversed back.

Whats da problem?

 

[RustyShackleford]

This is the same dude that be telling folk to ignore social issues to vote for Trump, that he makes good points on "da free trade".

*cough* da Donald has no problem wit transsexuals using w/e bathroom *cough*

*cough* He does have an issue with black people, Muslims, women, and Mexicans *cough*

Oh yeah? Quote something, cuz u pulled that one right out your ***.

Besides u deflecting anyways.

States got a right to set ordinances on bathrooms whether u like it or not, and a pedophile decided he wanted to push a agenda, and it was altered, then Reversed back.

Whats da problem?

You seem to have a short memory, because you were already schooled on Trump's racism towards black in the other thread. But you can play dumb all you want. I got you:

Trump's racist lying tweet:

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-inaccurate-tweet_us_56524c0de4b0879a5b0b6c10

From the Trump thread:

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

One year after the Central Park Five were convicted, John O’Donnell, a former executive who ran Trump Plaza hotel and casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, published a tell-all alluding to his former boss’s casual racism behind closed doors.

He quoted Trump as saying: “I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

In a later interview with Playboy magazine, Trump labelled his former employee a “******* loser” but added: “The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...k-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york

Taking out full page ads calling for the death of the Central Park 5

And the not backing off after the dudes were proven innocent.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...k-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york

Short memories.

didn't know about this.

Context is key, people of all color thought these kids were dead to rights guilty.

Context is key, only the racists thought these kids were guilty.

Lets look at how he reacted when they were found not to be guilty, released from jail, and sued the city and got a settlement.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...al-park-settlement-disgrace-article-1.1838467

Becasue Drumpf wants the state to keep in mind, that although these men have just been found to not have committed this crime, men he wanted killed as quickly as possible, that:

My opinion on the settlement of the Central Park Jogger case is that it’s a disgrace. A detective close to the case, and who has followed it since 1989, calls it “the heist of the century.”

and

Speak to the detectives on the case and try listening to the facts. These young men do not exactly have the pasts of angels.

-But what about context doe, what about Hillary doe, da establishment doeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

And funny you pick you black people, knowing you're already dead in the water with the others.

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The city set a ordinance extending anti discrimination protections to transgender people. The state in return passed a law banning cities from expanding all anti-discrimination to laws to groups other than what the state says.

Read the damn OP

On Feb. 22, Charlotte, N.C., passed an ordinance expanding North Carolina’s antidiscrimination laws so that LGBT people would also be granted protection in places of “public accommodation” — which, among other things, would allow transgender people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify as. This ordinance was to go in effect on April 1.

But in response, at a special session on March 23, North Carolina’s General Assembly proposed and passed the House Bill 2 (HB2) — or the “bathroom bill” — and Gov. Pat McCrory signed it into law that same night.

The new law did more than repeal the Charlotte ordinance. It made the state’s law on anti discrimination — which covers race, religion, national origin, color, age, biological sex and handicaps — the final word. Meaning cities and local governments can’t expand “employment” or “public accommodations” protections to others, such as on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.

Minimum wage also falls under the state’s anti-discrimination law, so this law means local governments aren’t able to set their own minimum wages beyond the state standard

They also stripped cities to the right to raise their minimum wage

So I would like to know why Republicans, conservatives, and you, would preach this small government states rights nonsense out of one side of your mouth. For example saying Obama shouldn't be able to force them to extend Medicaid, or force them to allow same sex marriage, for have universal background checks

But are cool with a state flexing on a city this is. Isn't this an example of "big government", not allowing a city to enact their own laws, one that is not even in violation of a current one?

But they, being consistent in your ideology has never been the strong point to you guys

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So lets summarize, Trump has been suspect towards black folk, you have no idea what is going with the Carolina law.

All you're doing is spewing ignorance, bigotry, deflections, hypocrisy, and your best mental gymnastics to rationalize your bull **** dislike of homosexuals and transgender people.

And anyone with half a brain and see it.

So sit the hell down B.

 

[Master Zik]

You can't be @'ing me when it's from a dude being intellectually dishonest.

I thought something worth being argued against came up.

 

[ninjahood]

Rusty reaching as usual...

Meanwhile...

[Video]

 

[RustyShackleford]

Rusty reaching as usual...

Meanwhile...

[Video]

This when you know you got Ninja

When he just laughs you off, and deflects

Famb you're like a washed magician, same old tired tricks every time

 

[ninjahood]

And yet your expert analysis on da Trump Phenomenon was soooo on point [emoji]129300[/emoji]

Rusty hasn't even addressed da actual pedophile at hand, had to deflect to Trump [emoji]128514[/emoji]

 

[nawghtyhare]

I don't get it man
If u got a penis use men's
Vagina whether God given or man made by a doctor use women's
What's so hard about that