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Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American Psychiatric Association-and what led to the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder.


Dr. Ronald Bayer explains how homosexual activists captured the APA for political gain.
Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)

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In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."

Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.

Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy."

Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.

Prior to the APA's 1973 convention, several psychiatrists attempted to organize opposition to the efforts of homosexuals to remove homosexual behavior from the DSM. Organizing this effort were Drs. Irving Bieber and Charles Socarides who formed the Ad Hoc Committee Against the Deletion of Homosexuality from DSM-II.

The DSM-II listed homosexuality as an abnormal behavior under section "302. Sexual Deviations." It was the first deviation listed.

After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. The National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.

According to Satinover, "How much the 1973 APA decision was motivated by politics is only becoming clear even now. While attending a conference in England in 1994, I met a man who told me an account that he had told no one else. He had been in the gay life for years but had left the lifestyle. He recounted how after the 1973 APA decision, he and his lover, along with a certain very highly placed officer of the APA Board of Trustees and his lover, all sat around the officer's apartment celebrating their victory. For among the gay activists placed high in the APA who maneuvered to ensure a victory was this man-suborning from the top what was presented to both the membership and the public as a disinterested search for truth."

Guess thats water under da bridge now :lol:

As far as transsexuals? Like i said, feminists are on da front lines battling da premise completely because it threatens da essence of everything women has ever fought forvto be completely co-opted by men with issuesm
 
The concept of a 'trans community' is the problem here. You can not satisfy a community defined by an identity of mental illness except by indulging in it. There can be no 'trans community' any more then there can be a community of anorexics or people that cut themselves, or the depressed or manic. You can have a community of the afflicted, of sufferers looking to overcome illness, but if you indulge a mental illness as an 'identity' all you're doing is propagating the illness. Having sex changes are biologically impossible and that those doctors who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.
Are there better alternatives to treat gender identity disorder?
 
The concept of a 'trans community' is the problem here. You can not satisfy a community defined by an identity of mental illness except by indulging in it. There can be no 'trans community' any more then there can be a community of anorexics or people that cut themselves, or the depressed or manic. You can have a community of the afflicted, of sufferers looking to overcome illness, but if you indulge a mental illness as an 'identity' all you're doing is propagating the illness. Having sex changes are biologically impossible and that those doctors who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.

You sound as bad as someone who tells a person with depression that they should "get over it" and "stop being so down".
 
Can somebody explain why transgenders are grouped with homosexuals?
Also I can **** with some random dude walking into a woman's restroom and saying he identifies as a woman so it's all good.
Also the same people who support this generally are all about science and anti religion, but they want to ignore the science of having your chromosomes still identifying you as female or male
 
I hope you people babbling this psych stuff have an actual background or education on psychology
 
:lol: :lol: dudes talking bout I go into whatever bathroom I need to. Yea right.

Pull that mess in the airport.

We losing everything. Soon you'll be able to do whatever you want with no consequences cause it "offends" someone.
 
No it doesn't.

You got nothing backing what you think other than uneducated opinion on the topic.

It doesn't pass muster. Go learn something and try again.
I hope you people babbling this psych stuff have an actual background or education on psychology

I don't get.

So now you need to have a degree in any subject you want to voice an opinion on?
 
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I only use the wominz if its a single restroom and someone is in the mens and i really have to go.

Never dropped the deuce in a womens bathroom.
 
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I don't get.

So now you need to have a degree in any subject you want to voice an opinion on?
opinion is fine. but when people act like it's fact or throw ignorance around, no.
 
opinion is fine. but when people act like it's fact or throw ignorance around, no.

In mean, you can say that about both sides.

I'm pretty sure we're just starting to even try to understand transgenders let alone study them.
 
In mean, you can say that about both sides.

I'm pretty sure we're just starting to even try to understand transgenders let alone study them.
i mean, i wouldn't group you in the group of posters posting dumb stuff though lol.

your opinion actually makes sense and remains respectful.

I'm talking bout da idiots 
 
and sometimes the most intelligent people do and say the stupidest things.

see: race/ dominican v black  thread
 
opinion is fine. but when people act like it's fact or throw ignorance around, no.

In mean, you can say that about both sides.

I'm pretty sure we're just starting to even try to understand transgenders let alone study them.

Peep this.

gender is less an identity than a caste position. Anyone born a man retains male privilege in society; even if he chooses to live as a woman—and accept a correspondingly subordinate social position—the fact that he has a choice means that he can never understand what being a woman is really like. By extension, when trans women demand to be accepted as women they are simply exercising another form of male entitlement

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2

Real women are pissssssed :lol:
 
gender is not an absolute polarity. it's mores a sliding spectrum.

not everything is blue and pink.
 
gender is not an absolute polarity. it's mores a sliding spectrum.


not everything is blue and pink.

Says who? Advocates getting people to adopt that? Go look up that gender spectrum theory,

All roads lead back to advocacy groups.

Like i said, transsexuals biggest enemies aont even males, its OTHER women who are goin to get their whole identity co-opted by men.
 
The biology of human sexuality is a perfect mixture of genetics, neurobiology, and socialization. It's easy for some people to see it in black and white so they don't have to think. 


But its not a perfect mixture, and there could be flaws in them to create the outcome of being a transgender.

Why can't you accept that even as a possibility?
 
Says who? Advocates getting people to adopt that? Go look up that gender spectrum theory,

All roads lead back to advocacy groups.

Like i said, transsexuals biggest enemies aont even males, its OTHER women who are goin to get their whole identity co-opted by men.
I have a master in marriage and family therapy. and most of my research is based around gender, race, and power.

I've participated in research.

This isn't water cooler discussion for me. 

This is a huge part of my career.
 
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