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So Trump has turned his Corona virus press briefings into campaign speeches.

He can't have his rallies right now, so he's using his TV time like he did to get elected.

It was one of the reasons I was saying that Biden should do his own daily briefings with his own set of experts.

CNN and MSNC stopped covering them live. They just report back after with the lies and dumb **** he said. I noticed it yesterday, because I enjoy it as comedy.

Pence and the Repubs are upset and are denying CNN access to Dr Fauci
 
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I've seen some folks at Navy Fed showing pending deposit scheduled to release on the 14th/15th. Based on how the Fed typically warehouses the ACH payments a few days in advance it makes sense. Approximately 50mm should get their payment sometime next week.

Damn. I get this odd feeling I'm going to be one of the unlucky ones...
 
Some of y'all need to woosah and stop reading about the virus for a bit. Lockdown til later than the end of summer and possibly 2021? You're on something else. You think the government, specifically trump, is gonna allow unemployment to tank way harder than it is bc of this? He was ready to open some states by mid April. You think he's waiting til August or longer? No way bruh
 
The one data point that suggests both New York and California are getting coronavirus under control

Good news about the coronavirus is in short supply. The United States’ confirmed case count is approaching half a million — more than triple any other country’s. The U.S. will soon lead the world in COVID-19 deaths as well. Roughly 95 percent of Americans are living under lockdown orders. No one seems to have any real sense of how or when this will end.

But look a little harder and you can just start to discern a faint light at the end of this very dark tunnel. You just have to know where to look.

Ignore the skyrocketing case count, or at least take it with a grain of salt. As FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver has explained, the number of positive tests reported in any given city, state or country is highly dependent on the number of tests conducted there — which differs wildly from place to place over time. Death tolls are more useful for comparing how the epidemic is evolving in different locales. But because it typically takes weeks for someone with COVID-19 to die, they’re also lagging indicators that tell you less about where on its epidemic trajectory the virus is now than where it was back then.

The number you really want to focus on is hospitalizations. And if it’s good news you’re after, pay particular attention to what’s happening in two key states: New York and California.

Until very recently, nationwide data about how many COVID-19 patients are currently receiving treatment in hospitals was hard to come by. It’s still incomplete and inconsistent. But on April 7, researchers at the University of Minnesota launched the U.S. COVID-19 Hospitalization Tracking Project, which is just what it sounds like: the first effort to capture, track, visualize and compare daily data on the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations from the 37 state departments of health that are reporting this information (so far).

The reason this information is so valuable is simple. Because hospitalization typically occurs a week or so after infection, it’s less of a lagging indicator than the death count (which trails by two to two and a half weeks) and more directly tied to the trajectory of the epidemic than the testing-dependent case count. It’s also a measure of the most pressing public health concern of all: how close we are to exceeding the capacity of our hospital system, which can make COVID-19 much deadlier than it would otherwise be.

Which brings us to New York and California. Chart each state’s hospitalization data over the last seven days or so, and two different narratives emerge.

Both are encouraging.

Each day this week, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has delivered a cautiously optimistic message at his morning briefing.

“We are reaching a plateau in the total number of hospitalizations,” Cuomo said Tuesday. “You can see the growth, and you see it’s starting to flatten.”

“All of this data suggests we are flattening the curve so far,” he added Thursday. “So far our efforts are working. They’re working better than anyone projected they would work.”

The hospitalization numbers tell the tale. On Wednesday, New York’s daily death count hit an all-time high: 799. But that reflects infections from weeks ago, before the state’s lockdown started. The number of people testing positive stayed relatively flat.

Meanwhile, there were fewer new hospitalizations — just 200 — than on any day since March 18.

It wasn’t a blip. The amount of new daily hospitalizations has been declining since last Thursday: from 1,427 on April 2 to 1,095 on April 3 to 656 on April 6 to 200 on April 8. (There are some questions about inconsistencies between the data from New York state and New York City, but the trend line is the same.) Previously, the total current number of coronavirus patients in New York hospitals had been increasing by at least 20 percent a day for weeks. Now the overall number of hospitalizations is barely increasing at all.

On Friday, new hospitalizations ticked up slightly, but not enough to alter the curve — which, as Cuomo noted, “is much, much lower than any of [the models] projected.”

That’s what Cuomo meant by a “plateau.” If current trends continue — and given how conscientious New Yorkers have been about staying home, there’s no reason to think they won’t — total current hospitalizations should hover right around 18,000 to 20,000 for a while, well under the state’s expanded, 90,000-bed hospital capacity. Then, as new cases start to taper off, the number of COVID-19 patients in hospitals should decline. Hopefully, today’s plateau will become tomorrow’s peak.

Assuming that happens, New York’s hospitalization numbers will have been an early sign that the hardest-hit state in the U.S. is turning the corner and getting its coronavirus outbreak under control.

The story in California is different but also heartening. The Golden State’s hospitalization curve is not changing drastically like New York’s. In fact, it’s not changing much at all.

But that’s the good news.

On March 16, the Bay Area stunned the nation when health officers in six counties jointly ordered residents to stay indoors. Eleven other California counties soon joined the order, and on March 19 it was expanded statewide by Gov. Gavin Newsom — the first statewide lockdown in the U.S. By that time, the virus had already spread widely in New York, the nation’s largest, most densely populated city. A lockdown there three days later came too late to slow its exponential growth.

California caught the coronavirus earlier in its trajectory. That fact is reflected in the case count (20,000 to New York’s 150,000) and the death count (550 to New York’s 7,000). But the hospitalization rate may be the most telling metric. Since the state began reporting hospitalization data at the end of March, total confirmed COVID-19 admissions — they currently stand at 2,825, with another 2,803 suspected cases — have been rising by only 1 to 4 percent per day. That’s roughly the same slow and steady rate of increase Cuomo is now touting in New York as a plateau.

Except so far, California has been all plateau. Meanwhile, on Wednesday, the number of COVID-19 patients requiring intensive care dropped — by 1.9 percent, to 1,132 — for the first time since California began tracking them.

“It’s one point of data, but nonetheless it’s encouraging,” Newsom said. “It again reinforces the wonderful work we are all doing. The curve has bent in the state, but it continues to be stretched.”

This idea of “stretching” the curve is key. The good news in New York is that the state might be peaking now. The good news in California is that the state might not peak for a long time — but its path to that peak will be so incremental, its curve so flat, that coronavirus patients will never come close to overwhelming the hospital system.

Of course, this is happening only because both states have been in lockdown for weeks, at great cost to their economies. Both Newsom and Cuomo warn every day against what the latter recently described as “slacking off”; as soon as residents start to ease up on social distancing, the virus will have another opportunity to spread. For this reason, transitioning back into something that resembles normal life will be enormously complicated.

Nonetheless, the hospitalization numbers suggest — tentatively but hopefully — that that’s the direction both New York and California are heading in.

 
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Some of y'all need to woosah and stop reading about the virus for a bit. Lockdown til later than the end of summer and possibly 2021? You're on something else. You think the government, specifically trump, is gonna allow unemployment to tank way harder than it is bc of this? He was ready to open some states by mid April. You think he's waiting til August or longer? No way bruh

2021 is the most sound logical date regardless if you're able to fathom it right now or not.

Opening things up this year will inevitably lead to restrictions being reimplemented all over again once those numbers surge back up again.

This thing is gonna last until we have a vaccine or reliable treatment. That's all there is to it. Hence...2021

Tanked economy's gon tank.
 
2021 is the most sound logical date regardless if you're able to fathom it right now or not.

Opening things up this year will inevitably lead to restrictions being reimplemented all over again.

This thing is gonna last until we have a vaccine or reliable treatment. That's all there is to it. Hence...2021

You're confusing logic and the presidents decision. Just because something seems logical doesn't mean Trump is going to follow that.

You think $1200 gonna last anyone who's in financial need til 2021? the $600 unemployment bonus is til end of July and that cost the government $2 trillion. How much would it cost for them to extend that another 5 months? Not to mention the small businesses who are taking loans to pay employees or rent. They take out $50k+ and that money will be long gone by end of 2020 if they're still not open and now they'll just be $50k+ more in debt.

So I'm not doubting that scientifically this virus could be a problem til 2021. I just don't think any economy could handle being completely closed for 8 months and trump knows that and will not allow it.
 
He can't have his rallies right now, so he's using his TV time like he did to get elected.

It was one of the reasons I was saying that Biden should do his own daily briefings with his own set of experts.

CNN and MSNC stopped covering them live. They just report back after with the lies and dumb **** he said. I noticed it yesterday, because I enjoy it as comedy.

Pence and the Repubs are upset and are denying CNN access to Dr Fauci

a few of the local channels here in LA doing the same. they have my utmost respect.
 
You're confusing logic and the presidents decision. Just because something seems logical doesn't mean Trump is going to follow that.

You think $1200 gonna last anyone who's in financial need til 2021? the $600 unemployment bonus is til end of July and that cost the government $2 trillion. How much would it cost for them to extend that another 5 months? Not to mention the small businesses who are taking loans to pay employees or rent. They take out $50k+ and that money will be long gone by end of 2020 if they're still not open and now they'll just be $50k+ more in debt.

So I'm not doubting that scientifically this virus could be a problem til 2021. I just don't think any economy could handle being completely closed for 8 months and trump knows that and will not allow it.


As long as bodies keep dropping they can’t open nothing up certain states are starting to heat up with the number amount of cases

New York got hit first and hard and it’s been a lockdown for over three weeks . This week between ny and nj we keep seeing 1k plus deaths . Ny started taking it serious literally begggining of April once they seen bodies dropping . Living in Brooklyn a lot of people ain’t take it serious every day I used to hear at people saying we have only 50 deaths a day this was late March . They keep bringing up the Latinos and Africans but if u were around in nyc u would see kids chilling at night smoking and drinking like **** was not serious talking about we outside **** the cops . Majority of the projects were outside late March not listening to the news . Once deaths reach Close to 0 and we have wide testing where no one is positive we ain’t opening ****
 
I have a feeling at the end of the April 30th "recommendation" that a few non-essential businesses will be given the OK to re-open lil bit by lil bit, BUT I don't expect this lockdown overall to fully end at all after April 30.

At most, you'll see a bit more stores/services that were closed up during the lockdown to finally open back up.......with certain restrictions.

For instance, our god damn barbers and salons may get the OK to re-open back up........BUT they may have a limit at the amount of people allowed in those facilities at a time, which may prompt to have "appointment ONLY" services for these guys for a good amount of time.

Outside of that, there will still be non-essential businesses that will remain closed past that April 30th date........primarily the businesses that encourage social gatherings to occur (malls, food courts, bars, museums, etc.).

April 30th and May 1st will be a very interesting day to see whether state govts and our own fed. govt will recommend RE-OPENING THE ECONOMY ENTIRELY or slowly opening certain businesses back up a lil bit at a time OR extending the current lockdown recommendations another month or so.
 
As long as bodies keep dropping they can’t open nothing up certain states are starting to heat up with the number amount of cases

New York got hit first and hard and it’s been a lockdown for over three weeks . This week between ny and nj we keep seeing 1k plus deaths . Ny started taking it serious literally begggining of April once they seen bodies dropping . Living in Brooklyn a lot of people ain’t take it serious every day I used to hear at people saying we have only 50 deaths a day this was late March . They keep bringing up the Latinos and Africans but if u were around in nyc u would see kids chilling at night smoking and drinking like **** was not serious talking about we outside **** the cops . Majority of the projects were outside late March not listening to the news . Once deaths reach Close to 0 and we have wide testing where no one is positive we ain’t opening ****

I live in NYC lol. And I agree with you that people aren't taking it seriously enough over here but that won't stop them from opening the economy within the next few months. China was in a rush to reopen 2 months after quarantine and are already seeing a second wave of infections but they don't care. You're thinking the government cares about the working man. That's your first mistake.
 
The one data point that suggests both New York and California are getting coronavirus under control

Good news about the coronavirus is in short supply. The United States’ confirmed case count is approaching half a million — more than triple any other country’s. The U.S. will soon lead the world in COVID-19 deaths as well. Roughly 95 percent of Americans are living under lockdown orders. No one seems to have any real sense of how or when this will end.

But look a little harder and you can just start to discern a faint light at the end of this very dark tunnel. You just have to know where to look.

Ignore the skyrocketing case count, or at least take it with a grain of salt. As FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver has explained, the number of positive tests reported in any given city, state or country is highly dependent on the number of tests conducted there — which differs wildly from place to place over time. Death tolls are more useful for comparing how the epidemic is evolving in different locales. But because it typically takes weeks for someone with COVID-19 to die, they’re also lagging indicators that tell you less about where on its epidemic trajectory the virus is now than where it was back then.

The number you really want to focus on is hospitalizations. And if it’s good news you’re after, pay particular attention to what’s happening in two key states: New York and California.

Until very recently, nationwide data about how many COVID-19 patients are currently receiving treatment in hospitals was hard to come by. It’s still incomplete and inconsistent. But on April 7, researchers at the University of Minnesota launched the U.S. COVID-19 Hospitalization Tracking Project, which is just what it sounds like: the first effort to capture, track, visualize and compare daily data on the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations from the 37 state departments of health that are reporting this information (so far).

The reason this information is so valuable is simple. Because hospitalization typically occurs a week or so after infection, it’s less of a lagging indicator than the death count (which trails by two to two and a half weeks) and more directly tied to the trajectory of the epidemic than the testing-dependent case count. It’s also a measure of the most pressing public health concern of all: how close we are to exceeding the capacity of our hospital system, which can make COVID-19 much deadlier than it would otherwise be.

Which brings us to New York and California. Chart each state’s hospitalization data over the last seven days or so, and two different narratives emerge.

Both are encouraging.

Each day this week, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has delivered a cautiously optimistic message at his morning briefing.

“We are reaching a plateau in the total number of hospitalizations,” Cuomo said Tuesday. “You can see the growth, and you see it’s starting to flatten.”

“All of this data suggests we are flattening the curve so far,” he added Thursday. “So far our efforts are working. They’re working better than anyone projected they would work.”

The hospitalization numbers tell the tale. On Wednesday, New York’s daily death count hit an all-time high: 799. But that reflects infections from weeks ago, before the state’s lockdown started. The number of people testing positive stayed relatively flat.

Meanwhile, there were fewer new hospitalizations — just 200 — than on any day since March 18.

It wasn’t a blip. The amount of new daily hospitalizations has been declining since last Thursday: from 1,427 on April 2 to 1,095 on April 3 to 656 on April 6 to 200 on April 8. (There are some questions about inconsistencies between the data from New York state and New York City, but the trend line is the same.) Previously, the total current number of coronavirus patients in New York hospitals had been increasing by at least 20 percent a day for weeks. Now the overall number of hospitalizations is barely increasing at all.

On Friday, new hospitalizations ticked up slightly, but not enough to alter the curve — which, as Cuomo noted, “is much, much lower than any of [the models] projected.”

That’s what Cuomo meant by a “plateau.” If current trends continue — and given how conscientious New Yorkers have been about staying home, there’s no reason to think they won’t — total current hospitalizations should hover right around 18,000 to 20,000 for a while, well under the state’s expanded, 90,000-bed hospital capacity. Then, as new cases start to taper off, the number of COVID-19 patients in hospitals should decline. Hopefully, today’s plateau will become tomorrow’s peak.

Assuming that happens, New York’s hospitalization numbers will have been an early sign that the hardest-hit state in the U.S. is turning the corner and getting its coronavirus outbreak under control.

The story in California is different but also heartening. The Golden State’s hospitalization curve is not changing drastically like New York’s. In fact, it’s not changing much at all.

But that’s the good news.

On March 16, the Bay Area stunned the nation when health officers in six counties jointly ordered residents to stay indoors. Eleven other California counties soon joined the order, and on March 19 it was expanded statewide by Gov. Gavin Newsom — the first statewide lockdown in the U.S. By that time, the virus had already spread widely in New York, the nation’s largest, most densely populated city. A lockdown there three days later came too late to slow its exponential growth.

California caught the coronavirus earlier in its trajectory. That fact is reflected in the case count (20,000 to New York’s 150,000) and the death count (550 to New York’s 7,000). But the hospitalization rate may be the most telling metric. Since the state began reporting hospitalization data at the end of March, total confirmed COVID-19 admissions — they currently stand at 2,825, with another 2,803 suspected cases — have been rising by only 1 to 4 percent per day. That’s roughly the same slow and steady rate of increase Cuomo is now touting in New York as a plateau.

Except so far, California has been all plateau. Meanwhile, on Wednesday, the number of COVID-19 patients requiring intensive care dropped — by 1.9 percent, to 1,132 — for the first time since California began tracking them.

“It’s one point of data, but nonetheless it’s encouraging,” Newsom said. “It again reinforces the wonderful work we are all doing. The curve has bent in the state, but it continues to be stretched.”

This idea of “stretching” the curve is key. The good news in New York is that the state might be peaking now. The good news in California is that the state might not peak for a long time — but its path to that peak will be so incremental, its curve so flat, that coronavirus patients will never come close to overwhelming the hospital system.

Of course, this is happening only because both states have been in lockdown for weeks, at great cost to their economies. Both Newsom and Cuomo warn every day against what the latter recently described as “slacking off”; as soon as residents start to ease up on social distancing, the virus will have another opportunity to spread. For this reason, transitioning back into something that resembles normal life will be enormously complicated.

Nonetheless, the hospitalization numbers suggest — tentatively but hopefully — that that’s the direction both New York and California are heading in.


This is a false hope article. The reason why there are less hospitalizations is because many of the EMS who are called to take a sick patient to the hospitals are refusing to take the patient to the hospital. I have a friend who's father seemed very sick (Sp02 below 70%, coughing, fever) and all they did was give him oxygen and said "just open your windows at home so he can breathe better." They called 911 TWICE in 24 hours and both times EMS advised him to just stay home even though he had trouble walking from his bedroom to the bathroom without losing his breath and almost collapsing. Finally, the family took him to urgent care and the doctor had to call 911 in order for EMS to take him to the hospital. That's 1-2 days wasted when he should have been hospitalized.

If there are any EMS here please tell me what the criteria is to be taken to the ER at this point?
 
There are also less hospitalizations because a lot of patients who are not critically ill are being tended for at home instead of being taken in.

Couple of relatives of mine called EMS, they came, give them some oxygen. Then 30 minutes later a PA came and administered couple of IV drips at their home.
 
I live in NYC lol. And I agree with you that people aren't taking it seriously enough over here but that won't stop them from opening the economy within the next few months. China was in a rush to reopen 2 months after quarantine and are already seeing a second wave of infections but they don't care. You're thinking the government cares about the working man. That's your first mistake.


So when do you think they gonna up when we have literally at least 200k confirmed in NYc many people ain’t get tested and are Just isolating at home ? China went into lockdown serious lockdown right away ? Ny took a while and we got hit hard Some states are going to feel the huge death tolls in about two weeks
And New York ain’t even close to opening up when he keep having 800 deaths a day
 
Hopefully the lockdown ends in june/july
But once stores start to open there will be lots of restrictions
Maybe something like you can't enter without a mask
Restaurants and bars would have to separate tables and barstools apart 6ft and reduce the number of folks inside
 
Not to mention there is a good number straight up dying at home too..............it isn't a shocker NY STATE has begun including the "DEATHS AT HOME" in the total COVID Deaths number report, they really want to make sure they're showing the most accurate numbers to KEEP EVERYONE ATTENTATIVE AND NOT SLACK OFF ON ISOLATION/SOCIAL DISTANCING.
 
Hopefully the lockdown ends in june/july
But once stores start to open there will be lots of restrictions
Maybe something like you can't enter without a mask
Restaurants and bars would have to separate tables and barstools apart 6ft and reduce the number of folks inside

I'm more pessimistic, I see MOST MAINSTREAM RESTAURANT CHAINS (fast-food restaurants, especially) remaining take-out only, no dining in for probably the rest of the year.

It'll be interesting to see how bars will be able to re-open and what restrictions will be imposed on them upon re-opening.
 
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