Had A Chance To Listen To A Panel Of Native Americans Speak

[Kimchi Papi]

Ok, not sure what yuku is doing...I typed a response but the text isn't showing, when I go to edit the post, I can see the rest of my text...

Anyway, Chief Wesley talked about the Indigenous peoples conference he was part of that encompassed peoples ranging from Native Americans to Australian  Aboriginals (& everything in between). It had been designed to help the advancement of native peoples all around the world.

He & Blake were on a speaking tour in support of the movie. It was kind of revolutionary at the time because prior to Dances With Wolves, there really wasn't any movie that portrayed Native Americans in a positive way (although the Pawnee tribe would beg to differ about their portrayal in the movie).

They spoke about the themes touch on in the movie. How savage the settlement of the West here in the US was to Native Americans & how they still haven't recovered to this day. There is very little support for aboriginal people worldwide even to this day. This lecture was around '90, '91, or '92ish...

Chief Wesley talked so gracefully about respect & reverence one should have for your fellow man & the world (paticularly the enviroment). Basically the same things you mentioned previously about people needing to get along because that was going to be the downfall of this world.

Blake was a really cool guy too. He actually was very close to a lot of the LA punk rockers, specifically the band X. We talked a lot about various bands like The Ramones, Fishbone...It was cool.

 

[me no pass]

cool thread OP. i heard life on reservations is very hard due to poverty alcoholism etc. anyone wanna clarify how it got that way?

 

[kangaroobombs]

You wanna know? Ask me

I'm a full blooded Zuni native American from New Mexico.
That African story sounds like bs but then again I'm from the southwest and
We're more brOwn whereas the northeastern tribes loOk white.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

^ What sounds like BS? The African presence in the Americas before Columbus and his boys came? Why is that so hard to believe exactly?

1. But yea, what are your Spiritual Practices Kangeroo?

2. Do the kids reject their heritage? Much like kids of many other ethnic groups?

3. Is it true that you all have a lot of good athletes but there is pressure for you to not "sell out" and leave the reservation and live amongst the white man at his universities?

 

[b smooth 202]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

If anyone knows anything about Native American reservations, people would put all that "they got their reparations" talk I've been hearing in that thread to rest

The amount of sheer depression, chronic illness, alcoholism and desperate poverty in Native American reservations is 

Yeah sure that will put it to rest... your exactly right....because the state of Native American reservations today has everything to do with modern social relations and possible outcomes of a new social order.

Again you prove how pathetic of a man you are....how could you really say and believe in something like that?

You're going to get the extreme sides of the story from the Native Americans and history books, just opposite sides of the spectrums, so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.

'the extreme sides' huh?

what makes that side anymore extreme from what really happened? because it's the opposite side? notice how the opposition always gets labeled as radical and extreme?

Maybe your just an apologist because you've been the beneficiary of a culture built on the extremes of Eurocentric-supremacy. 

Eastern religions tend to RADICALLY different, though equally invalid IMO.
from what position can you invalidate anything? oh yeah nevermind...your a so called 'ATHEIST'...

 

[ruxxx]

Originally Posted by kangaroobombs


That African story sounds like bs

Word? There were Natives who were ----> *Mos Def*Blacker than midnight on Broadway & Myrtle*Mos Def*

 

[Deleted member 43702]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican


2. Spirituality. One of them mentioned to me how religion is a joke and how it was only created to control the people and manipulate the economy. He says the Vatican and Wall Street are essentially one in the same and should not be trusted by any intelligent thinking human. He then mentioned how there is a history long battle about who has the better god. Is it the Christians or the Muslims and how people need to wake up and see that it is nothing but a distraction from the things that really matter. Just a tool to further separate humans.

They believe in the Great Spirit. It is more of a spiritually based believe system. No religion. He says when YT came along, they brought they control tool called religion, even though Africans and Native Americans were already in tune with the big man upstairs.

This was one of the main reasons they were seen as a threat and wiped out.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by B Smooth 202

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

If anyone knows anything about Native American reservations, people would put all that "they got their reparations" talk I've been hearing in that thread to rest

The amount of sheer depression, chronic illness, alcoholism and desperate poverty in Native American reservations is 

Yeah sure that will put it to rest... your exactly right....because the state of Native American reservations today has everything to do with modern social relations and possible outcomes of a new social order.

Again you prove how pathetic of a man you are....how could you really say and believe in something like that?

Wait, I'm pathetic for empathizing with the fact that there are many social disparities in Native American  reservations and expressing great concern about the mental, physical and social well being of Native Americans in reservations?


oh wait maybe if I said Yahweh several times and something about God and promised to preach to native americans you would empathize with them as well----Or maybe BSmoove doesn't care about Native Americans because they aren't the "chosen people" like him and I are

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I really don't understand what just happened up there. ^

I mean who was insulted and why? LOL

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

I really don't understand what just happened up there. ^

I mean who was insulted and why? LOL

I think he assumes native Americans all live in mansions playing "don't trust them new negros over there", drinking watermelon smoothies and singing negro spirituals all day in their casinos

People like BSmooth make me feel smarter than I actually am

 

[antonlavey]

Me: The genocide of that took place in this country is one of the most successful extermination of a group of people in human history
BSmooth: You're even less of a man that I once thought, everybody knows this country was empty when Europeans got here, and the Native Americans came late and were given casinos and alcohol to appease their savage souls

 

[finnns2003]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

I really don't understand what just happened up there. ^

I mean who was insulted and why? LOL

I think he assumes native Americans all live in mansions playing "don't trust them new negros over there", drinking watermelon smoothies and singing negro spirituals all day in their casinos

People like BSmooth make me feel smarter than I actually am

I wish I got to ask my grandpa and great grandma more about things. That's one part of me (Native Am.) that intrigues me, but is such a mystery.

 

[ohyeah10]

thats awesome man. Im actually a quarter ojibwe from north dakota. ive taken a couple classes on native americans while in school, its really crazy what happened to them way back when. something like 99.95% of the land was taken or tricked out from underneath them

 

[retro23j]

Awesome

 

[jaysfiend23]

I see native Americans all the time out in riverhead long island when I got to the reservations to buy butts

 

[jordanhead718212]

More info on the African Connection 

 

[Gill Baka Esq. LLC.]

yea i'm all for new theories on past subjects but this whole africans being in America before the pilgrims is new to me...any proof?

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

^ What sounds like BS? The African presence in the Americas before Columbus and his boys came? Why is that so hard to believe exactly?

1. But yea, what are your Spiritual Practices Kangeroo?

2. Do the kids reject their heritage? Much like kids of many other ethnic groups?

3. Is it true that you all have a lot of good athletes but there is pressure for you to not "sell out" and leave the reservation and live amongst the white man at his universities?

I mean once I learned about Leif Ericsson I couldn't take America seriously anymore...

...not to mention the Chinese coming the Americas before Columbus did. 

Originally Posted by GrimlocK

yea i'm all for new theories on past subjects but this whole africans being in America before the pilgrims is new to me...any proof?

The Olmecs

EDIT: DC, I won't lie man...if it wasn't for the internet, mentally i'd be SO screwed... The sheer unknown history out there is just unreal that its this easy to blow people's minds about stuff like this. Its freaking sad too...there is no passion for people to even search out alternative histories. 

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by GrimlocK

yea i'm all for new theories on past subjects but this whole africans being in America before the pilgrims is new to me...any proof?

Look at the facial structures of old Mayan and Aztec pieces. That nose doesn't look like a man of color to you?

 

[goldenchild9]

Originally Posted by JordanHead718212

More info on the African Connection 

"Black" people been in the Americas centuries prior to the "Trans-Atlantic slave trade". 
Word to the "Mound Builders" of the Mississippi River, the "Dark-Skinned" "tribes of the South-East and the Kalipuna of the California and the Caribbean. 

Many of our blackasses are "Native-Americans" with roots indigenous to the Americas but we fall for the gaffle that is the "African-American" story and lose our true history and rights. When you begin to study yourself and your people, you will find out about the movement that will bring a self-propelled "reparations" to our people by means of self-determination. 

"The Indians brought handkerchiefs of cotton, very symmetrically woven and worked in colors like those brought from Guinea, from the rivers of Sierra Leone and of no difference ... The Mandinga traded gold and cloth called 'almaizar' ... (ibid.) - Christopher Columbus

 

[concordefliteschool]

sorry i read the first page only due to lack of time, very interesting. what are the native dishes you plan to make next year?

 

[veryanalytical85]

Asians being in America before the Europeans were doesn't surprise me. People do remember the Bering Strait right? Many years ago it was theorized that much of the population due to continental drift and adjustment traveled over it, before much of the ice collapsed. Also if you ever lived (or visited) in Alaska, it's interesting to see the uncanny resemblance between Asians and various Native American tribes of origin in that Northwestern Region of the world.
As for the African Connection, a lot of African tribes who were able to travel through the Caribbean Islands or migrated through parts of South and Central America, were able to migrate obviously to the new world and of course blend and develop relations with the tribes who were residing in North America over time.

Another interesting note is, a lot of the Southern States (eg: Louisiana's earliest settlers were Africans and Asians; specifically Black and Filipino) and Central America (eg: Oaxacan Black Mole, according to a man who used to live in Central America for most of his life said it originated from Catholic nuns who originally lived in the Philippines), which stemmed from an old, share certain recipes of food and flavor from the blending of Southeast Asian/Creole roots of Latin and African descent. 

 

[mr jordan04]

Originally Posted by NikeTalker23

You're going to get the extreme sides of the story from the Native Americans and history books, just opposite sides of the spectrums, so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.

 

[jordanhead718212]

Originally Posted by goldenchild9

Originally Posted by JordanHead718212

More info on the African Connection 

"Black" people been in the Americas centuries prior to the "Trans-Atlantic slave trade". 
Word to the "Mound Builders" of the Mississippi River, the "Dark-Skinned" "tribes of the South-East and the Kalipuna of the California and the Caribbean. 

Many of our blackasses are "Native-Americans" with roots indigenous to the Americas but we fall for the gaffle that is the "African-American" story and lose our true history and rights. When you begin to study yourself and your people, you will find out about the movement that will bring a self-propelled "reparations" to our people by means of self-determination. 

"The Indians brought handkerchiefs of cotton, very symmetrically woven and worked in colors like those brought from Guinea, from the rivers of Sierra Leone and of no difference ... The Mandinga traded gold and cloth called 'almaizar' ... (ibid.) - Christopher Columbus

They never taught me this in school -_____-
Mad interesting though 

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by GrimlocK

yea i'm all for new theories on past subjects but this whole africans being in America before the pilgrims is new to me...any proof?

Look at the facial structures of old Mayan and Aztec pieces. That nose doesn't look like a man of color to you?

Some Ancient Aztec and Mayan statues and art didn't look human at all, all we can do is speculate----