Had A Chance To Listen To A Panel Of Native Americans Speak

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Today I was blessed to be able to sit in on a roundtable discussion of 3 Native Americans from the Chesapeake Area (DC, MD, VA).

They mentioned that their families have been in this area for a long, long, long, long, long time. Before any of our ancestors even thought of "discovering" anything.

He spoke about Columbus and how his family were outcasts and were exiled from Spain. He also told us that the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria were filled with rapist, theives, killers, and child molesters, so just imagine all of those sick individuals coming over here to wreck havoc.

They mentioned how there was already African presence in America way before Euros set foot on these grounds. That is where Native and African blood mixed. They talked about how Africans and Indians exchanged ideas, love, and goods with one another. Never really an issue there.

The Natives were living at peace with EARTH and then YT came and just destroyed everything that they knew. Brought diseases that the Natives have never encountered as well as sick animals that the natives had never encountered.

They spoke about how offensive the name of the Washington Football team is and how a large group of Natives marched to Fed-Ex field like 10 years ago and had a prayer service and proceeded to curse the franchise. He was dead serious and by the looks of things, why shouldn't I believe him.
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. But he was basically saying that the term is basically like saying the N-Word.

How the term ******* came about. When hunters were doing their seasonal missions, they would get paid to bring back certain animals. But there was a bonus in there. If they were to spot any Natives, they were told to kill them, skin their faces, and "Bring back a piece of that Red Skin."

They mentioned how they weren't salty about Thanksgiving at all. It was something that they in fact practiced. I think they said they called it the Great Harvest (pen ran out while taking notes). But they used this time of the year to celebrate the harvest that they had accumulated during the past season. They simply stressed being thankful for everything that is in your life, especially your family.

I spoke with 2 of the individuals "off the record" and we spoke about:

1. Injustices. We talked about how this world is full of cowards that don't stand up for what is right and just allow negative things to happen right in front of their faces. He told me to make sure I am not a coward and to speak up for what is right even if I am the only one speaking. I promised him that I will play my part.

2. Spirituality. One of them mentioned to me how religion is a joke and how it was only created to control the people and manipulate the economy. He says the Vatican and Wall Street are essentially one in the same and should not be trusted by any intelligent thinking human. He then mentioned how there is a history long battle about who has the better god. Is it the Christians or the Muslims and how people need to wake up and see that it is nothing but a distraction from the things that really matter. Just a tool to further separate humans.

They believe in the Great Spirit. It is more of a spiritually based believe system. No religion. He says when YT came along, they brought they control tool called religion, even though Africans and Native Americans were already in tune with the big man upstairs.

It was a good lecture, there is a radio show that talks about the struggle of the Native People. When I recall the link, I will send it your way.
 
I see and speak to native americans all of the time. Never get a chance to ask any questions that I would love to have answered. Which is why I would love to just listen to a pro native american speaker or something.
 
You're going to get the extreme sides of the story from the Native Americans and history books, just opposite sides of the spectrums, so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.
 
Originally Posted by Jerome in the House

I see and speak to native americans all of the time. Never get a chance to ask any questions that I would love to have answered. Which is why I would love to just listen to a pro native american speaker or something.
It was a blessing man. Ask question, learn about their struggle, hear their side of the story man. I think in honor of them I will learn to make Native dishes next year for Thanksgiving. It was a great experience indeed.

Originally Posted by NikeTalker23

You're going to get the extreme sides of the story from the Native Americans and history books, just opposite sides of the spectrums, so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.
Honestly, I wasn't there so I would never know the truth. That is with any form of history. But my heart leads me to believe in the favor of those that were the oppressed more so than the side that did the oppressing. Yes people exaggerate and that is taken into consideration.
 
The spirituality part is interesting. There was an HuffingtonPost article that addressed that aspect. Most people tend to think of religion only in western terms. Eastern religions tend to RADICALLY different, though equally invalid IMO. It basically says Asia really doesn't have "religion." Then when you couple that with theories of how the migration of people out of africa to the "new world" occur then it might explain how native americans could be more along the lines of that sort of "spirituality."Here is the article if anyone is interested: http://www.huffingtonpost...-religion_b_1031869.html
It does beg the question though of how their "spirituality" has evolved over time. Did he always feel this way or is this a new cultural revolution that hes embraced? Or is he just not a fan of their religion? 
 
intredasting. srs. cool read.

whats YT? i keep saying youtube in my head lol.

we have indian reserves up here. mostly the by product of whatever happened though. casinos, cigarettes, drinking problems, couple homelesses. cool to see a bit how it really was.

the african part is interesting. im sure the asians came by earlier. indians got similar eyes no racist.
 
^ Yea you reminded me. Throughout this, they kept saying that we need to come together as a people. Red, yellow, black, white. We are all humans. Don't allow the 1% to dictate categories for us to make us fight each other. Race, religion just to name a few.

They also talked about the alcohol and how it has ruined their community. Again, something that was brought by Euros.

More on the Great Spirit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Spirit
 
If you ever get a chance, read Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee. It's one of my favorite books of all time.

Also, I used to go see lots of people lecture. Paticularly, a lot of Native American speakers. There was one lecture that stands out in paticular. It was years ago & held by two people, Chief Ernest Wesley and the author of Dances With Wolves (novel & screen play) Michael Blake.
 
 
I'm black but, even I admit that they had it worst than we did.

Back on topic: That's amazing man, I'm going to try to take a class on Native American people; I love studying about different cultures. I had a friend named Raven in middle-school that used to tell me and other friends about what rituals he had to still practice and the things he had to memorize to pass down to his children. He was a @@%##%+ $%@*+#+ though most of the time.
 
Originally Posted by psk2310


If you ever get a chance, read Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee. It's one of my favorite books of all time.

Also, I used to go see lots of people lecture. Paticularly, a lot of Native American speakers. There was one lecture that stands out in paticular. It was years ago & held by two people, Chief Ernest Wesley and the author of Dances With Wolves (novel & screen play) Michael Blake.
 
why did that lecture stand out to you? What was talked about there? Care to share bro?
 
Originally Posted by DaNiKeRhiNo

I'm black but, even I admit that they had it worst than we did.

Back on topic: That's amazing man, I'm going to try to take a class on Native American people; I love studying about different cultures. I had a friend named Raven in middle-school that used to tell me and other friends about what rituals he had to still practice and the things he had to memorize to pass down to his children. He was a @@%##%+ $%@*+#+ though most of the time.
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Originally Posted by Mangudai954

Originally Posted by DaNiKeRhiNo

I'm black but, even I admit that they had it worst than we did.

Back on topic: That's amazing man, I'm going to try to take a class on Native American people; I love studying about different cultures. I had a friend named Raven in middle-school that used to tell me and other friends about what rituals he had to still practice and the things he had to memorize to pass down to his children. He was a @@%##%+ $%@*+#+ though most of the time.
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Let me clarify with a Russian twist, he was a vuking easshole. 
 
For those interested about Native American history I would recommend reading this book:

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It is a compelling read on how the first settlers conspired to exploit the Native Americans for their benefit and how Pocahontas, unfortunately, became a key and necessary element for their conniving ploy.  However, it's a history that is solely derived from oral tradition but like DC I feel compelled to believe it, especially considering that the written letters and notes of John Smith and many others explicitly state -- through their own words -- that the lives lost due to colonial rule were necessary to ensure and protect the vested interests of private enterprise and the demands of venture capitalists.
 
If anyone knows anything about Native American reservations, people would put all that "they got their reparations" talk I've been hearing in that thread to rest
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The amount of sheer depression, chronic illness, alcoholism and desperate poverty in Native American reservations is 
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DCAllAmerican wrote:
^ Give me some tidbits of what you picked up from them? What area were these lectures in?

Sorry for the late reply. Getting ready to host Thanksgiving dinner.

Chief Wesley talked about an Indigenous Peoples Education Conference he was part of that encompassed peoples ranging from Native Americans to Australian Aboriginals (& everything in between). It had been designed to help the advancement of native peoples all around the world.

He & Michael Blake were on a speaking tour in support of the movie. It was kind of revolutionary in a way because prior to it, there had never been a movie that portrayed Native Americans in such a positive light (although the Pawnee tribe would beg to differ at their portrayal in the movie).

He & Blake spoke about the themes touched on in the movie about how savage the settlement of the West was to Native Americans & how they still haven’t recovered.

Chief Wesley talked so gracefully about respect & reverence for man & this world (the environment). The same things you mentioned about the need for people to get along. 

He also talked the difference between racism (the institution) & prejudice and how racism all across the world as kept aboriginal people from advancing. There is very little support for aboriginal people.
 
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