Firefighter Arrested while on scene of crash

[aaronfire]

 
lol I always give the police the benefit of the doubt.  Here's what I think happened....

1. Other firefighters and EMS were actually the ones actively tending to the injured NOT the guy that got arrested.

2. Cop approached him to move his truck, egos clash, firefighter gets an attitude cop arrests him.

This story is making it seem like the firefighter was approached MID ATLS life support which I bet was not the case. Either way this isn't a good look for the cop.

Yeah except most fire departments don't have enough staff to send more people than they need to a call and everyone is assigned a job when arriving on scene. No one is usually standing around especially during the care of a patient. As well when the trucks are parked they are parked strategically to block oncoming traffic from hitting any of the responders. Police are usually more concerned with keeping the traffic flowing then patient care. By all means though support the people who are hired to persecute you if need be and when they help you it is after the fact rather then the ones who will risk their lives running into burning buildings for you!

 

[Kaleo15]

The requirements for becoming a police officer are close to none, reason why they are so badly trained on how to simply handle situations and their own egos....on the other hand firemen get put through the ringer in the academy and know protocol....that cop is absolute idiot and should be at the very least suspended....they are there to work as a team, in a situation like this the cops job is simply to fascilitate that of the firemen and paramedics, nothing else

Repped! That was pretty funny Steezy Way to generalize!

 

[mrdango09]

Anyway you look at it the cop looks bad imo... Whatever happened was only enough to hold the ff for 30 min in the car(I'v been searched longer than that for nothing).

 

[HEATHEN]

Repped! That was pretty funny Steezy Way to generalize!

way to generalize?


bro it's fact.


cops are creatures of discretion.


you don't have to go to college or have been an AJS (Administration of Justice) major to become a cop. Very few departments in this country require college credits.


very few have had ethics training.

so no, becoming a cop is not difficult.


it's becoming increasingly difficult to become a fire fighter and most departments are going to require college.

in most big cities it's LAUGHABLE the type of dudes who become cops.


you always disagree with these statements but you NEVER offer anything else in form of a rebuttal. how about it officer?

 

[championboyz7]

The requirements for becoming a police officer are close to none, reason why they are so badly trained on how to simply handle situations and their own egos....on the other hand firemen get put through the ringer in the academy and know protocol....that cop is absolute idiot and should be at the very least suspended....they are there to work as a team, in a situation like this the cops job is simply to fascilitate that of the firemen and paramedics, nothing else

That's so not true especially to be a state trooper

 

[HEATHEN]

That's so not true especially to be a state trooper

yeah I hear the requirements in Gotham are OD for prospective cops.

 

[ksteezy]

That's so not true especially to be a state trooper

I'm talmbout an entry level officer tho...I'm not speaking on detectives, Narcs, etc etc...

Entry level cops are usually the ones most on an ego trip, ones who least know how to handle situations...not their fault tho...they simply were not properly trained to handle the authority given to them.

 

[mrdango09]

Alright everyone keep to this story. As someone who never needed a fireman or a cop. I have had my balls busted plenty by cops for nothing even as i get older. Having said that i am smart enough to know that cops and ff's are awesome for society. That shouldn't be in question.... In this case the cop imo was a d bag

 

[Kaleo15]

Repped! That was pretty funny Steezy Way to generalize!

way to generalize?


bro it's fact.


cops are creatures of discretion.


you don't have to go to college or have been an AJS (Administration of Justice) major to become a cop. Very few departments in this country require college credits.


very few have had ethics training.

so no, becoming a cop is not difficult.


it's becoming increasingly difficult to become a fire fighter and most departments are going to require college.

in most big cities it's LAUGHABLE the type of dudes who become cops.


you always disagree with these statements but you NEVER offer anything else in form of a rebuttal. how about it officer?

How would you like me to respond? You want me to disprove your generalizations? You ever tested to be a PO? If not, I really don't know how you can contribute. Just say you dislike Cops, that's fine, I don't care. But to act like you know anything about being a Cop, when you don't, is pretty ridiculous.

You think just because you have a Diploma/GED, you can become a PO by just applying? Keep thinking that bud.

There's a process just like any other job. I was 1 of 30 other recruits in my Academy class in Vegas... you know how many people applied for JUST that Academy class for that year? Almost 8,000 applicants. So let me break it down for you (these numbers are round-ups, not accurate numbers).

First you have to get selected and invited to take the written test. Based on your resume, creditation and references, you get a invite.

Alright, let's get started.

You know many people got disqualified from just the written test? 2,000.

If you passed the written, you move on to fitness test. You know how many got disqualified? 1,500.

You pass the fitness, you move on to oral board. How many scored lower than 90%? About 4,000.

Cool, now you also go by ranking.

Now it's the psychological exam, consisting of 2,000 questions, in which you will undergo an evaluation from the Psych Doctor. How many got disqualifed? Another 1,500.

Alright, almost there. Now it's time for a thorough criminal/background check. This is what gets most people disqualifed. Almost 2,000 disqualifed.

Hold on tight, because next is the Polygraph test. 6 Hour session of constant questioning. You lie once, you fail. Another 500.

Alright over a year of process, you make it pass everything. You take the medical exam, if you have any medical discrepancies, sorry, you're disqualifed. 300 disqualifed.

So now it goes by ranking. Depending on funding, they take the Top 100 applicants and they go through another fitness test and medical exam.

There you have it, a brief process of hirinig for PO/CO in Vegas.

It took me almost 2 years, for the department to call me back and offer me a spot. Is this what you wanted to read bud?

You said yourself, very few departments require degrees to promote and go through ethics class. Guess what, Vegas PD is one of them.

 

[jj watt]

Repped Hawaii.

Instead if people speaking on the situation on hand they rather reach and speak on things they don't know.

 

[wanksta23]

I don't know about smaller cities, but, yes you DO need at least a B.S/B.A to become a cop these days

In many cases, drivers get distracted to see what's going on during an accident, and have at times crashed and killed FF in the line of duty, so most likely the engineer of the rig blocks off some of the lanes to protect his men

My brother is a cop, so i know how rigorous it is to get in

You have a better chance becoming a FF with just an AA degree than to become a cop with just an AA


My professor, who is now a retired fire chief, mentioned this article earlier and talked about how he too, refused to move his engine after they were on a scene, for the fact that it was protecting his men from traffic. Though he said he was never arrested, he had to face a few consequences from the chief, but would do the same thing all over again

 

[Kaleo15]

Repped Hawaii.

Instead if people speaking on the situation on hand they rather reach and speak on things they don't know.

Bro, it's the nature of the beast. It comes with the job, we're probably the most hated people on earth.

But I don't care, doesn't bother me one bit if someone hates me for what I do.

Because you know what? For every person that calls ALL Officers corrupted. I do my job and lock up child molesters, rapists, murderers, robbers, child/woman abusers, drunk drivers... ect.

Could you imagine having ALL those type of criminals still on the streets?

Just as my neighbor once you told me when I first met him.

"Oh wow you're Cop? Mannn I hate Cops, but you're cool..... Heyyy, I uhhh... have this traffic ticket...."

 

[bhergh]

Repped Hawaii.

Instead if people speaking on the situation on hand they rather reach and speak on things they don't know.

Bro, it's the nature of the beast. It comes with the job, we're probably the most hated people on earth.

But I don't care, doesn't bother me one bit if someone hates me for what I do.

Because you know what? For every person that calls ALL Officers corrupted. I do my job and lock up child molesters, rapists, murderers, robbers, child/woman abusers, drunk drivers... ect.

Could you imagine having ALL those type of criminals still on the streets?

Just as my neighbor once you told me when I first met him.

"Oh wow you're Cop? Mannn I hate Cops, but you're cool..... Heyyy, I uhhh... have this traffic ticket...."

This..

Profiling happens a lot

 

[superb]

i get the point of the cop telling him to move the vehicle but the firefighter is doing his and lives are on the line. i doubt any cop will arrest another cop for doing something 'criminal'. cop just had a chip on his shoulder or something


edit:

the fact that the firefighter was let in 30 mins is a clear example of cops just power tripping. they have too much authority and there is no body to check that power. his Sergent probably called to tell him to calm down.

city mayor over see cops

but yes cops arrest cops

 

[superb]

majority of places cops only need a AA. My ex girl was a cop so i know first hand. now of you have a BA i think it will boost your pay and look better but you only need a AA degree

we can pull police job postings now to prove it and most places cops can get hired on within 6 months and skip all the bull

and that cop was tripping. many times they pull over people in fast lane, bottom of hills, in driveways with butt of car sticking out

this was a power thing but nobody will not be buddies with that cop now. he lost all respect. im sure if he is on a call and need backup there going to take their sweet time

 

[HEATHEN]

How would you like me to respond? You want me to disprove your generalizations? You ever tested to be a PO? If not, I really don't know how you can contribute. Just say you dislike Cops, that's fine, I don't care. But to act like you know anything about being a Cop, when you don't, is pretty ridiculous.

You think just because you have a Diploma/GED, you can become a PO by just applying? Keep thinking that bud.

There's a process just like any other job. I was 1 of 30 other recruits in my Academy class in Vegas... you know how many people applied for JUST that Academy class for that year? Almost 8,000 applicants. So let me break it down for you (these numbers are round-ups, not accurate numbers).

First you have to get selected and invited to take the written test. Based on your resume, creditation and references, you get a invite.

Alright, let's get started.

You know many people got disqualified from just the written test? 2,000.

If you passed the written, you move on to fitness test. You know how many got disqualified? 1,500.

You pass the fitness, you move on to oral board. How many scored lower than 90%? About 4,000.

Cool, now you also go by ranking.

Now it's the psychological exam, consisting of 2,000 questions, in which you will undergo an evaluation from the Psych Doctor. How many got disqualifed? Another 1,500.

Alright, almost there. Now it's time for a thorough criminal/background check. This is what gets most people disqualifed. Almost 2,000 disqualifed.

Hold on tight, because next is the Polygraph test. 6 Hour session of constant questioning. You lie once, you fail. Another 500.

Alright over a year of process, you make it pass everything. You take the medical exam, if you have any medical discrepancies, sorry, you're disqualifed. 300 disqualifed.

So now it goes by ranking. Depending on funding, they take the Top 100 applicants and they go through another fitness test and medical exam.

There you have it, a brief process of hirinig for PO/CO in Vegas.

It took me almost 2 years, for the department to call me back and offer me a spot. Is this what you wanted to read bud?

You said yourself, very few departments require degrees to promote and go through ethics class. Guess what, Vegas PD is one of them.

As a former AJS major I'm well versed in the hiring processes for police departments. That and ethics in policing has always been an interest of mine after I was assaulted by NYPD detectives for no reason and illegally searched. You don't need to be a cop to be knowledgeable about the field.


At days end all you've outlined is a series of tests and checks.

No ethics training.

No college required.


I never said that all it took was a GED or a HS diploma, of course there are tests once you get to academy.



But most cops have never been to an institution of higher learning. And again little to no ethical training. That's where Justice Studies comes into play.


I appreciate you actually taking the time to post but even if Vegas PD is the exception in terms of hiring process, most big cities do not require any previous college.


And that is an issue. As a professional with that much power, and that much up to your discretion, I think it's a cop out (no pun intended whatsoever) that most departments do not at the very least require an associates degree.


That was the premise of my argument. Unless an officer has sat in an ethics of administration of justice class I don't think that officer deserves his badge.


But clarify this for me about Vegas PD. Do you mean they have ethical training based classes or that they require their prospective officers to have went to college and earn credits as an AJS major?


Big difference. And the former is not enough. Any job you go into after college is going to have on the job training and education, that wouldn't mean a degree in the field you've entered isn't required.


Again, huge difference.

 

[Kaleo15]

How would you like me to respond? You want me to disprove your generalizations? You ever tested to be a PO? If not, I really don't know how you can contribute. Just say you dislike Cops, that's fine, I don't care. But to act like you know anything about being a Cop, when you don't, is pretty ridiculous.

You think just because you have a Diploma/GED, you can become a PO by just applying? Keep thinking that bud.

There's a process just like any other job. I was 1 of 30 other recruits in my Academy class in Vegas... you know how many people applied for JUST that Academy class for that year? Almost 8,000 applicants. So let me break it down for you (these numbers are round-ups, not accurate numbers).

First you have to get selected and invited to take the written test. Based on your resume, creditation and references, you get a invite.

Alright, let's get started.

You know many people got disqualified from just the written test? 2,000.

If you passed the written, you move on to fitness test. You know how many got disqualified? 1,500.

You pass the fitness, you move on to oral board. How many scored lower than 90%? About 4,000.

Cool, now you also go by ranking.

Now it's the psychological exam, consisting of 2,000 questions, in which you will undergo an evaluation from the Psych Doctor. How many got disqualifed? Another 1,500.

Alright, almost there. Now it's time for a thorough criminal/background check. This is what gets most people disqualifed. Almost 2,000 disqualifed.

Hold on tight, because next is the Polygraph test. 6 Hour session of constant questioning. You lie once, you fail. Another 500.

Alright over a year of process, you make it pass everything. You take the medical exam, if you have any medical discrepancies, sorry, you're disqualifed. 300 disqualifed.

So now it goes by ranking. Depending on funding, they take the Top 100 applicants and they go through another fitness test and medical exam.

There you have it, a brief process of hirinig for PO/CO in Vegas.

It took me almost 2 years, for the department to call me back and offer me a spot. Is this what you wanted to read bud?

You said yourself, very few departments require degrees to promote and go through ethics class. Guess what, Vegas PD is one of them.

As a former AJS major I'm well versed in the hiring processes for police departments. That and ethics in policing has always been an interest of mine after I was assaulted by NYPD detectives for no reason and illegally searched. You don't need to be a cop to be knowledgeable about the field.


At days end all you've outlined is a series of tests and checks.

No ethics training.

No college required.


I never said that all it took was a GED or a HS diploma, of course there are tests once you get to academy.



But most cops have never been to an institution of higher learning. And again little to no ethical training. That's where Justice Studies comes into play.


I appreciate you actually taking the time to post but even if Vegas PD is the exception in terms of hiring process, most big cities do not require any previous college.


And that is an issue. As a professional with that much power, and that much up to your discretion, I think it's a cop out (no pun intended whatsoever) that most departments do not at the very least require an associates degree.


That was the premise of my argument. Unless an officer has sat in an ethics of administration of justice class I don't think that officer deserves his badge.


But clarify this for me about Vegas PD. Do you mean they have ethical training based classes or that they require their prospective officers to have went to college and earn credits as an AJS major?


Big difference. And the former is not enough. Any job you go into after college is going to have on the job training and education, that wouldn't mean a degree in the field you've entered isn't required.


Again, huge difference.

The point of my response was to disprove you two that said becoming a Cop is not difficult.

The fact is, it's NOT true. Is it difficult to get into the field. All I mentioned was the hiring process.... bro... the HIRING process! Just to get into the Academy.

The Academy is a whole different ball game. 6 months of constant getting OC'd Sprayed, Tasered, studying, tests, fitness, practicals, weapons, inspections, Post OPS... ect.

Bro, you have no idea. Then you STILL have another year of Field Training, and all the post requirements.

 

[HEATHEN]

Repped Hawaii.

Instead if people speaking on the situation on hand they rather reach and speak on things they don't know.

reach on things I don't know?


how do you know what I do and don't know.


if you actually have read me post on NT you'd know that I know a thing or two about a thing or two about this subject.



academy SHOULD be difficult, testing should be rigorous, as should background checks.


but the fact that most departments do not require bachelors or at the very least associates degrees is a mockery of the justice system.



Cops have more power than you can imagine. It'a not just on a cop to cop basis, some of the nation's largest unions are police unions. Hell, the largest union in California is the Correctional Peace Officers Association.


What's my point?


These unions have the power to continue to keep immoral and unethical laws in place for their own monetary benefit. More "crime", more arrests, more convictions mean more money for departments and more need for officers, even if there really isn't a need.


In other words it's beneficial to keep the war on drugs (for example) going because like the prison industrial complex (another example) it's HIGHLY profitable. Without these impractical policies, quotas, non-violent offender arrests, etc, there would be billions of dollars down the drain and there would be less of a need for police.



So what does that have do with this topic? Well, if johnny officer there arresting the firefighter there had more pertinent issues to tend to, this wouldn't be a topic. Cops are out here CREATING crime instead of dealing with crime that actually happens. It's manufactured crime. It's piss-poor ethical training and gross abuse of discretion when things like this happen.

 

[HEATHEN]

The point of my response was to disprove you two that said becoming a Cop is not difficult.

The fact is, it's NOT true. Is it difficult to get into the field. All I mentioned was the hiring process.... bro... the HIRING process! Just to get into the Academy.

The Academy is a whole different ball game. 6 months of constant getting OC'd Sprayed, Tasered, studying, tests, fitness, practicals, weapons, inspections, Post OPS... ect.

Bro, you have no idea. Then you STILL have another year of Field Training, and all the post requirements.

Okay the hiring process is difficult, I'll agree with you.


Is it enough? I don't think it is.


Training to become a cop is one thing, learning how to respect the power you have over others is an entirely different thing and I don't believe departments have done a satisfactory job of training their officers in that regard.


Discretion is a funny thing, cops won't cross that blue line and snitch on their fellow officer. But when it comes to the general public, it's quotas and "im just doing my job".



When's the last time you've seen a cop arrest another cop while on the job?

 

[robpzee612]

That's awesome

 

[Kaleo15]

That's awesome

Looks more like a SG than a PO. But regardless, you see the hostility towards the guy right?

Probably told the kids to skate somewhere else and not by the stairs for liability reasons or maybe a citizen complained about them.

And he gets the welcome finger.

Now what COULD be the outcome of this?

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Skaters continues to disobey, SG calls Law Enforcement. POs comes to assess the situation.

Tell the skaters to leave for loitering. Guys get all hostile and acts out on the POs. Gets arrested for disorderly conduct.

From there on, skaters tell the world why all POs are scums and bothered them for no apparent reason.

I've seen this happen a few to many times already.

 

[isnx2]

Looks more like a SG than a PO. But regardless, you see the hostility towards the guy right?

Probably told the kids to skate somewhere else and not by the stairs for liability reasons or maybe a citizen complained about them.

And he gets the welcome finger.

Now what COULD be the outcome of this?

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Skaters continues to disobey, SG calls Law Enforcement. POs comes to assess the situation.

Tell the skaters to leave for loitering. Guys get all hostile and acts out on the POs. Gets arrested for disorderly conduct.

From there on, skaters tell the world why all POs are scums and bothered them for no apparent reason.

I've seen this happen a few to many times already.

Dawggie....
You wylin b.

I hate cops. 9/10 are nimrods.

 

[Kaleo15]

I did emphasize on "could" didn't I? Did I say this WILL happen? Nope. I said this is what COULD happen. Why? Because i've seen it happen.

 

[ksteezy]

Bro, it's the nature of the beast. It comes with the job, we're probably the most hated people on earth.

But I don't care, doesn't bother me one bit if someone hates me for what I do.

Because you know what? For every person that calls ALL Officers corrupted. I do my job and lock up child molesters, rapists, murderers, robbers, child/woman abusers, drunk drivers... ect.

Could you imagine having ALL those type of criminals still on the streets?

Just as my neighbor once you told me when I first met him.

"Oh wow you're Cop? Mannn I hate Cops, but you're cool..... Heyyy, I uhhh... have this traffic ticket...."

Saying "I hate cops" is immature bro, I resent the shield and that's simply because of lots of bad personal experiences, however I don't hate them and since I've been a crossfitter I've gained a lot of personal friends who are officers, but even they would tell you, as a rookie and there is hundreds of them patrolling the streets of NY, these dudes walk around with a chip on their shoulder, a lot of them are no older than 23 and simply haven't learned how to handle the authority that was given to them....just like everything it takes them time to get adjusted...not to mention superiors breathing down their throats to meet quotas, so even if they don't want to be **** they are forced to being ***** in order to eat and not get screwed with the worst assignments, like I said...I don't blame them...I sort of feel bad for them.

 

[fresh out dabox]

 

 
Yeah except most fire departments don't have enough staff to send more people than they need to a call and everyone is assigned a job when arriving on scene. No one is usually standing around especially during the care of a patient. As well when the trucks are parked they are parked strategically to block oncoming traffic from hitting any of the responders. Police are usually more concerned with keeping the traffic flowing then patient care. By all means though support the people who are hired to persecute you if need be and when they help you it is after the fact rather then the ones who will risk their lives running into burning buildings for you!

FALSE!!!!! During disasters like the Fall of the towers in NYC (23 NYPD officers died risking their lives to save people from a burning building) and the bombings in Boston I'm sure most of the cops were giving out tickets instead of tending to the wounded.

Dude said usually, based on a sample size of one. There are heroic acts cops perform on a daily basis that never end up on the news. Every profession has incompetent folks, the cops are no different. But I will always side with them in these arguments until more concrete evidence of wrong doing is provided.

There's a cop outside my condo right now, dude has never persecuted me. He keeps the undesirables at a distance. Hell if it wasn't paid for by my taxes I'd pool money with the rest of my neighborhood just to pay a cop to stay here to keep us safe.

ok two incidents