Yeah...y'all are a little over the top with the meaning of ds. If the damn shoe is new, it's ds. End of story. Most of the shoes you think you purchased as DS in a brick and mortar store have actually been tried on. Do you know how long it takes to make the factory lace knot? Less time than a regular one. You just loop it around and pull it through. Sales people re do the factory lace knot on the regular. I tried on a pair of Bred XI's, in my house. Cleaned up the sole real nice and re did the factory lace knot. I'm selling them as DS. If you can find a way to tell I tried them on, or tell me how they aren't still DS, you can have the shoes for free. The shoes aren't DS after they've been worn, had MANY steps taken in them, or been worn outside. Trying them on in a store, taking 10 steps in them, refactory lacing them, and putting them in the box makes them still DS...and you AREN"T gonna be able to tell.