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Originally Posted by JustScoreda100
Sure it's significant for RICH folks considering this is UNEARNED income that they really need to feed their children.Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Wow
You pass off that 3.8% rise in capital gains taxes as if its insignificant. That tax alone will cost a lot of people money. It even hits small time traders like me who play around with penny stocks. Now I have to increase the risks I take in order to offset this tax increase while I'm already getting killed by brokerage fees.
It will also have an effect on the stock market because people may choose other investment vehicles to get the returns they're used to with out increasing their risks. The stock market is already fragile as is and may be up for correction. I wouldn't be surprised if this tax speeds up that correction.
So you're saying this will cost a lot of people money? So if I am a millionaire and I have $500,000 sitting in a mutual fund and it made $10,000 in dividends, am I going to worry about $380 in additional tax? Because OH GEE $380 more in taxes is really going to force me to give up my way of life.
Give me a break.
[h1]unearned incomeDefinition
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An individual's income derived from sources other than employment, such as interest and dividends from investments, or income from rental property. also called unearned revenue. opposite of earned income.
Pension funds? Municipal Funds? The hell are you getting all this stuff?
The 3.8% increase in tax is directed at INDIVIDUALS. Those married couples with modified adjusted gross incomes of more than $250,000 (or $200,000 for singles). Just these taxpayers!
The rest of the garbage you wrote is not even factual or written in that bill. Just a bunch of what if, could be, should be scenarios I rather not even comment on.
On taxpayer money? Damn right I'm against taxpayer-funded health care.Originally Posted by CParkFresh
Originally Posted by Burns1923
Medicare and Medicaid should both be repealed. ...needs to be repealed on principle.
So you are against providing healthcare to seniors... Okay man... You win... LOL
Originally Posted by Burns1923
Originally Posted by CallHimAR
I quit.
Reading the comments on that page and here lead me to believe that there are a great deal of Americans who are extremely misinformed and confused.
The fear mongering is simply too strong here.
That's just the thing. Americans are more informed about the health care bill than Congress itself.
And they DON'T WANT IT. What part of 55% against it on principle and 73% want a complete re-do don't you understand?
If the bill was so great, the majority of Americans would be embracing it. Instead, they can't wait for the midterms.
Wait, didn't Obama get a majority of the pop vote (53%) yet the majority is against his health care bill (55%/73%)?
Guess that makes the majority of Americans "fear mongers".
a) agree, and insurance as wellOriginally Posted by eNPHAN
a.) healthcare shouldn't be run for-profit
b.) healthcare costs are extremely inflated...how can we remedy that? stop running the healthcare system for-profit...
c.) look at everyone salty over being taxed for HEALTHCARE, something you're being raped for ANYWAY....where was all this outrage when we were being taxed for TAX BREAKS FOR THE WEALTHY AND BOMBS FOR WAR? i didn't see white dudes taking to the streets with pistols when haliburton was getting multi-billion dollar deals...
i'd much rather get taxed for healthcare than bombs....
Originally Posted by Burns1923
That's just the thing. Americans are more informed about the health care bill than Congress itself.
And they DON'T WANT IT. What part of 55% against it on principle and 73% want a complete re-do don't you understand?
If the bill was so great, the majority of Americans would be embracing it. Instead, they can't wait for the midterms.
Wait, didn't Obama get a majority of the pop vote (53%) yet the majority is against his health care bill (55%/73%)?
Guess that makes the majority of Americans "fear mongers".
Kaiser Health Tracking Poll — March 2010
The March Kaiser Health Tracking Poll finds the public still divided on health reform legislation, with 46 percent of Americans backing the reform proposals on Capitol Hill, 42 percent opposing them and 12 percent saying they aren't sure. Six in 10 Americans say they have heard little or nothing about budget reconciliation. And many people continue to struggle with health costs, with nearly one in five saying cost increases have caused them or their employer to switch to a less comprehensive health plan.
The poll finds that Americans are also divided about what should happen next. Forty-two percent say “Congress has debated health care reform long enough and it is time for them to take a vote.
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Word for word I agree with you.[/color]Originally Posted by Frische Produkte
The government can barely handle small stuff like education and the DMV, what makes anyone think they are going to be able to run health care properly? I know I have no faith in the government to lay out this system correctly.Originally Posted by Trelvis Tha Thrilla
Originally Posted by CallHimAR
at this point, I am against anything the gov't is trying to push at us but thats just me i dunno
Seriously. That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Im not against everyone having coverage. Im against the government running it. All young people should get prepared to pay huge chunks of their checks back to the government for a very long time.
Originally Posted by CallHimAR
Originally Posted by Burns1923
Originally Posted by CallHimAR
I quit.
Reading the comments on that page and here lead me to believe that there are a great deal of Americans who are extremely misinformed and confused.
The fear mongering is simply too strong here.
That's just the thing. Americans are more informed about the health care bill than Congress itself.
And they DON'T WANT IT. What part of 55% against it on principle and 73% want a complete re-do don't you understand?
If the bill was so great, the majority of Americans would be embracing it. Instead, they can't wait for the midterms.
Wait, didn't Obama get a majority of the pop vote (53%) yet the majority is against his health care bill (55%/73%)?
Guess that makes the majority of Americans "fear mongers".
Clearly they DON'T understand what they're rallying against when polls in the past indicated that they were actual for a great deal of the reforms in the bill, but when the bill itself was brought up they were against it. I wonder why?
Oh, fear mongering by major "news" networks to make it seem like this is going to destroy America. Who owns said network? A billionaire who most likely knows those who run the health care industry as well.
The majority of people are EXTREMELY misinformed. Let me emphasize, EXTREMELY. It shows because most of what is being said on the internet, at the "tea parties" and at the protests is complete bull !+%! that is spread by fear like "Obama isn't American" and so on and so forth. When THAT is a persons argument, their opinion is null and void, and that is one of the idiotic arguments people sure. I'm seriously wondering now if this DOES have something to do with this mans race, and if it does, I'm completely disgusted.
Originally Posted by CParkFresh
Originally Posted by Burns1923
That's just the thing. Americans are more informed about the health care bill than Congress itself.
And they DON'T WANT IT. What part of 55% against it on principle and 73% want a complete re-do don't you understand?
If the bill was so great, the majority of Americans would be embracing it. Instead, they can't wait for the midterms.
Wait, didn't Obama get a majority of the pop vote (53%) yet the majority is against his health care bill (55%/73%)?
Guess that makes the majority of Americans "fear mongers".
The problem is Americans are not informed about the healthcare bill. And those that think they are have only formed opinions based on whatever spin is being fed to them on both the right and left.
Kaiser Health Tracking Poll — March 2010
The March Kaiser Health Tracking Poll finds the public still divided on health reform legislation, with 46 percent of Americans backing the reform proposals on Capitol Hill, 42 percent opposing them and 12 percent saying they aren't sure. Six in 10 Americans say they have heard little or nothing about budget reconciliation. And many people continue to struggle with health costs, with nearly one in five saying cost increases have caused them or their employer to switch to a less comprehensive health plan.
The poll finds that Americans are also divided about what should happen next. Forty-two percent say “Congress has debated health care reform long enough and it is time for them to take a vote.
Originally Posted by Burns1923
CParkFresh wrote:
Burns1923 wrote:
Medicare and Medicaid should both be repealed. ...needs to be repealed on principle.
On December 8, 2003, President Bush signed into law the Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003 (Pub. L. 108-173). This landmark legislation provides seniors and individuals with disabilities with a prescription drug benefit, more choices, and better benefits under Medicare.
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) has created this update to provide the public and other interested parties with up-to-date information on CMS' efforts to implement the new legislation. This update will be published monthly. It will contain information on what CMS accomplished in the past month as well as major activities scheduled for the coming month, such as key implementation dates and regulations being published.
Mark B. McClellan, M.D., Ph.D., Administrator
"With the Medicare Act of 2003, our government is finally bringing prescription drug coverage to the seniors of America. With this law, we're giving older Americans better choices and more control over their health care, so they can receive the modern medical care they deserve...Our nation has the best health care system in the world. And we want our seniors to share in the benefits of that system. Our nation has made a promise, a solemn promise to America's seniors. We have pledged to help our citizens find affordable medical care in the later years of life. Lyndon Johnson established that commitment by signing the Medicare Act of 1965. And today, by reforming and modernizing this vital program, we are honoring the commitments of Medicare to all our seniors."
President George W. Bush, White House Press Release, 12/08/2003
Here in lies the problem with the arguments of many of the ultra conservatives and tea part activists use against Obama. They conveniently IGNORE the previous 8 years of government expansion while at the same time being irrational about the politics of today.
Originally Posted by eNPHAN
lol @ the tactics
what?
"you got a better idea? shoot...."
"um, you're trying to trap us, president terrorist, sir"
moving on.....
ROFL @ HOW UPSET YOU ARE
hmmm.....Originally Posted by AirJapan707
A lot of good arguments both ways in here. But I know more than a few people personally and am pretty sure there are probably millions more who complain about the cost of health care yet they have the newest cell phones with expensive carriers cable tv a huge monthly car payment buying kicks and other goods that aren't needed etc. these are luxuries not necessities. The average american won't sacrifice the luxuries for an insurance plan so they feel the government owes them one.
One last question. How did you feel about the $800 Billion Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act that was passed by a Republican President and Congress? Which by the way did not go funded and only added to the deficit.
I felt like it sucked. I felt like it was tweaking something that was already an albatross.
Here in lies the problem with the arguments of many of the ultra conservatives and tea part activists use against Obama. They conveniently IGNORE the previous 8 years of government expansion while at the same time being irrational about the politics of today.
I don't ignore anything. George W. Bush and the Congress (Democrat since 2006) did NOT practice fiscal conservatism. Their spending hurt the country, no doubt. They were wrong and Obama is wrong now.
A whole lotta talk about god and prayers in that group.Originally Posted by spsfinest212
There is so much butthurt on that page it's hilarious.Originally Posted by yungchris504
http://www.facebook.com/g...?v=wall&gid=335426408861
Check this group out.
Originally Posted by Burns1923
Originally Posted by eNPHAN
lol @ the tactics
what?
"you got a better idea? shoot...."
"um, you're trying to trap us, president terrorist, sir"
moving on.....
ROFL @ HOW UPSET YOU ARE
Who's upset? I'm just making points.
Sorry to disrupt your honeymoon with Obama.
Having a radical as a president is tough to process. That is, unless you took the time to examine the man's personal history, then it's not much of a surprise.
Hey, you guys "won" with the healthcare bill. Enjoy it. Don't get all angst ridden.
Cosign on everything here. Good post enphanOriginally Posted by eNPHAN
yawn, im not gonna bother reading this post
but i will say
hooray.
too many americans can't go to the hospital because they have no health insurance...
me included.
i got sick for an entire week, and HOPED it wasn't swine flu....
i've worked full-time since i graduated college with a 4 year degree...
cannot afford 200 dollars a month for insurance.
am i in north korea?
i overheard an instructional aide "is this rate for insurance per month or per check? if it's per check, i don't even make this much per check"
"well ask for more hours..."
a.) healthcare shouldn't be run for-profit
b.) healthcare costs are extremely inflated...how can we remedy that? stop running the healthcare system for-profit...
c.) look at everyone salty over being taxed for HEALTHCARE, something you're being raped for ANYWAY....where was all this outrage when we were being taxed for TAX BREAKS FOR THE WEALTHY AND BOMBS FOR WAR? i didn't see white dudes taking to the streets with pistols when haliburton was getting multi-billion dollar deals...
i'd much rather get taxed for healthcare than bombs....
from my fb:Originally Posted by K2theAblaM
A whole lotta talk about god and prayers in that group.Originally Posted by spsfinest212
There is so much butthurt on that page it's hilarious.Originally Posted by yungchris504
http://www.facebook.com/g...?v=wall&gid=335426408861
Check this group out.
Sickening
CParkFresh wrote:
Here in lies the problem with the arguments of many of the ultra conservatives and tea part activists use against Obama. They conveniently IGNORE the previous 8 years of government expansion while at the same time being irrational about the politics of today.
word.
taxbreaks and billions upon billions to hailburton.....AMERICA, +%%# YEAH
healthcare? GTFOHWTBS!
you mean we'll be spending the money on something worthwhile like our national health?
BURN HIM AT THE STAKE