Bruce Lee vs Anderson Silva

A lot of delusional people here. Anderson would take him.


Question... If Lee's martial arts were so great, why has no one else been successful in modern MMA with a straight martial arts style?
 
A lot of delusional people here. Anderson would take him.


Question... If Lee's martial arts were so great, why has no one else been successful in modern MMA with a straight martial arts style?
 
Originally Posted by 4wrestling

A lot of delusional people here. Anderson would take him.


Question... If Lee's martial arts were so great, why has no one else been successful in modern MMA with a straight martial arts style?
Not saying that Bruce would win.. but the thing about Bruce - he was the first to say "no style is the best style" -- He attempted to incorporate the strengths of all arts into one. This is why some would consider him the father of Mixed Martial Arts.
 
Originally Posted by 4wrestling

A lot of delusional people here. Anderson would take him.


Question... If Lee's martial arts were so great, why has no one else been successful in modern MMA with a straight martial arts style?
Not saying that Bruce would win.. but the thing about Bruce - he was the first to say "no style is the best style" -- He attempted to incorporate the strengths of all arts into one. This is why some would consider him the father of Mixed Martial Arts.
 
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Wr

it's beyond having brute force. Bruce lee was a master of harnessing and releasing energy hence the 1 inch punch and other techniques. Gotta go with bruce.

the one inch punch? maybe he'll try the 5 point palm exploding heart technique while he's at it.


Shoot gimme 3 months....nah make that 3 years of intensive training and I could beat up Bruce Lee. Kareem Abdul Jabbar went out like a punk
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victim.

All the trench coats in the world couldn't save you against Bruce Lee.
 
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Wr

it's beyond having brute force. Bruce lee was a master of harnessing and releasing energy hence the 1 inch punch and other techniques. Gotta go with bruce.

the one inch punch? maybe he'll try the 5 point palm exploding heart technique while he's at it.


Shoot gimme 3 months....nah make that 3 years of intensive training and I could beat up Bruce Lee. Kareem Abdul Jabbar went out like a punk
30t6p3b.gif
victim.

All the trench coats in the world couldn't save you against Bruce Lee.
 
Originally Posted by Jordan Novice

Bruce was a philosopher
That and his mindstate on everything
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I would like to believe he would outsmart Silva
I actually like this answer. It's not all this BS mythology. Lee had an amazing state of mind. Props to you sir on this post.
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Originally Posted by Jordan Novice

Bruce was a philosopher
That and his mindstate on everything
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I would like to believe he would outsmart Silva
I actually like this answer. It's not all this BS mythology. Lee had an amazing state of mind. Props to you sir on this post.
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Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Wr

it's beyond having brute force. Bruce lee was a master of harnessing and releasing energy hence the 1 inch punch and other techniques. Gotta go with bruce.

the one inch punch? maybe he'll try the 5 point palm exploding heart technique while he's at it.


Shoot gimme 3 months....nah make that 3 years of intensive training and I could beat up Bruce Lee. Kareem Abdul Jabbar went out like a punk
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come on man be serious with yourself.  you took it wayyyyyy too far with that comment.  I wish Bruce Lee would comeback from the dead and kick your dumb !#+.  I'd pay to watch that man punish you.  Dont disrespect somebody who had dedicated there life to something like that.

As crazy as that comment is, the point I'm tryna make is I literally have ZERO fear of a man like Bruce Lee. There's a long list of people I'd be scared of fight (Tyson in his prime, Silva, ANY expert Muay Thai fighter
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), Bruce Lee is not on that list.
 
Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Wr

it's beyond having brute force. Bruce lee was a master of harnessing and releasing energy hence the 1 inch punch and other techniques. Gotta go with bruce.

the one inch punch? maybe he'll try the 5 point palm exploding heart technique while he's at it.


Shoot gimme 3 months....nah make that 3 years of intensive training and I could beat up Bruce Lee. Kareem Abdul Jabbar went out like a punk
30t6p3b.gif


come on man be serious with yourself.  you took it wayyyyyy too far with that comment.  I wish Bruce Lee would comeback from the dead and kick your dumb !#+.  I'd pay to watch that man punish you.  Dont disrespect somebody who had dedicated there life to something like that.

As crazy as that comment is, the point I'm tryna make is I literally have ZERO fear of a man like Bruce Lee. There's a long list of people I'd be scared of fight (Tyson in his prime, Silva, ANY expert Muay Thai fighter
30t6p3b.gif
sick.gif
), Bruce Lee is not on that list.
 
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey


the one inch punch? maybe he'll try the 5 point palm exploding heart technique while he's at it.


Shoot gimme 3 months....nah make that 3 years of intensive training and I could beat up Bruce Lee. Kareem Abdul Jabbar went out like a punk
30t6p3b.gif


come on man be serious with yourself.  you took it wayyyyyy too far with that comment.  I wish Bruce Lee would comeback from the dead and kick your dumb !#+.  I'd pay to watch that man punish you.  Dont disrespect somebody who had dedicated there life to something like that.

As crazy as that comment is, the point I'm tryna make is I literally have ZERO fear of a man like Bruce Lee. There's a long list of people I'd be scared of fight (Tyson in his prime, Silva, ANY expert Muay Thai fighter
30t6p3b.gif
sick.gif
), Bruce Lee is not on that list.
For reference, would you have feared a peak Chuck Norris? (Serious question)
 
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey


the one inch punch? maybe he'll try the 5 point palm exploding heart technique while he's at it.


Shoot gimme 3 months....nah make that 3 years of intensive training and I could beat up Bruce Lee. Kareem Abdul Jabbar went out like a punk
30t6p3b.gif


come on man be serious with yourself.  you took it wayyyyyy too far with that comment.  I wish Bruce Lee would comeback from the dead and kick your dumb !#+.  I'd pay to watch that man punish you.  Dont disrespect somebody who had dedicated there life to something like that.

As crazy as that comment is, the point I'm tryna make is I literally have ZERO fear of a man like Bruce Lee. There's a long list of people I'd be scared of fight (Tyson in his prime, Silva, ANY expert Muay Thai fighter
30t6p3b.gif
sick.gif
), Bruce Lee is not on that list.
For reference, would you have feared a peak Chuck Norris? (Serious question)
 
Originally Posted by 6dollaBURGER

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy



come on man be serious with yourself.  you took it wayyyyyy too far with that comment.  I wish Bruce Lee would comeback from the dead and kick your dumb !#+.  I'd pay to watch that man punish you.  Dont disrespect somebody who had dedicated there life to something like that.

As crazy as that comment is, the point I'm tryna make is I literally have ZERO fear of a man like Bruce Lee. There's a long list of people I'd be scared of fight (Tyson in his prime, Silva, ANY expert Muay Thai fighter
30t6p3b.gif
sick.gif
), Bruce Lee is not on that list.
For reference, would you have feared a peak Chuck Norris? (Serious question)

Didn't Chuck Norris fight in and win Tae Kwan Do world tournaments?
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Going undefeated.....chill I'm good. Bruce Lee's abilities as a fighter have become too mythologized for me to be afraid. I just wanna see dude beat up someone that wasn't in a movie.
 
Originally Posted by 6dollaBURGER

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy



come on man be serious with yourself.  you took it wayyyyyy too far with that comment.  I wish Bruce Lee would comeback from the dead and kick your dumb !#+.  I'd pay to watch that man punish you.  Dont disrespect somebody who had dedicated there life to something like that.

As crazy as that comment is, the point I'm tryna make is I literally have ZERO fear of a man like Bruce Lee. There's a long list of people I'd be scared of fight (Tyson in his prime, Silva, ANY expert Muay Thai fighter
30t6p3b.gif
sick.gif
), Bruce Lee is not on that list.
For reference, would you have feared a peak Chuck Norris? (Serious question)

Didn't Chuck Norris fight in and win Tae Kwan Do world tournaments?
roll.gif
Going undefeated.....chill I'm good. Bruce Lee's abilities as a fighter have become too mythologized for me to be afraid. I just wanna see dude beat up someone that wasn't in a movie.
 
Originally Posted by LuckyP90

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

Those fights are too old to judge Silva. Chonan was getting lit up until the scissor sweep and Takase outwrestled Silva. There is also no comparsion between them and Lee other than they are Asian.

Where did you hear this? Everyone i heard from was saying it was a v. close fight before the sweep but more people said Chonan was winning. Even the announcer in the clip is saying it.

I dunno....
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I've watched it.  

To you guys saying there was no HD cameras back then. Stop playing dumb. There was video from the early 1900's of Jack Dempsey. There is video of Helio Gracie in the 1950's. ETC. There is a ton of video of Lee except for him fighting.
 
Originally Posted by LuckyP90

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

Those fights are too old to judge Silva. Chonan was getting lit up until the scissor sweep and Takase outwrestled Silva. There is also no comparsion between them and Lee other than they are Asian.

Where did you hear this? Everyone i heard from was saying it was a v. close fight before the sweep but more people said Chonan was winning. Even the announcer in the clip is saying it.

I dunno....
eyes.gif
I've watched it.  

To you guys saying there was no HD cameras back then. Stop playing dumb. There was video from the early 1900's of Jack Dempsey. There is video of Helio Gracie in the 1950's. ETC. There is a ton of video of Lee except for him fighting.
 
Bruce was great!

In a sanctioned fight in a ring though, I think he would lose. Sometimes the weight/size difference is just too great. Word to Bully Beatdown when the big ol' russian dude was too big (NOMO) for the pro MMA fighter to actual inflict damage. Even though the MMA fighter is hindered more than the bully due to him not being able to do certain moves, but when the MMA fighter had russian dude on the ground trying to submit him, russian dude would just rip his arm away and out of the hold.

In a street fight I agree with most Bruce will find a way to win.

I have to agree though put Bruce in his weight class and it would be a wrap for the other person.

"Lee was involved in competitive fights, some of which were arranged while others were not. Dan Inosanto stated, "There's no doubt in my mind that if Bruce Lee had gone into pro boxing, he could easily have ranked in the top three in the lightweight division or junior-welterweight division".[42]

Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches.[43]

The following year, Lee became a member of the "Tigers of Junction Street," and was involved in numerous gang-related street fights. "In one of his last encounters, while removing his jacket the fellow he was squaring off against sucker punched him and blackened his eye. Bruce flew into a rage and went after him, knocking him out, breaking his opponent's arm. The police were called as a result".[44] The incident took place on a Hong Kong rooftop at 10 pm on Wednesday, 29 April 1959.[45]

In 1962, Lee knocked out Uechi, a Japanese black belt Karateka, in 11 seconds in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle. It was refereed by Jesse Glover. The incident took place in Seattle at a YMCA handball court. Taki Kamura says the battle lasted 10 seconds in contrary to Hart's statement.[46] Ed Hart states "The karate man arrived in his gi (uniform), complete with black belt, while Bruce showed up in his street clothes and simply took off his shoes. The fight lasted exactly 11 seconds – I know because I was the time keeper – and Bruce had hit the guy something like 15 times and kicked him once. I thought he'd killed him".[47]

In Oakland, California in 1964 at Chinatown, Lee had a controversial private match with Wong Jack Man, a direct student of Ma Kin Fung known for his mastery of Xingyiquan, Northern Shaolin, and Tai chi chuan. According to Lee, the Chinese community issued an ultimatum to him to stop teaching non-Chinese; when he refused to comply he was challenged to a combat match with Wong, the arrangement being that if Lee lost he would have to shut down his school while if he won then Lee would be free to teach Caucasians or anyone else.[44] Wong denies this, stating that he requested to fight Lee after Lee issued an open challenge during one of Lee's demonstrations at a Chinatown theatre, and that Wong himself did not discriminate against Caucasians or other non-Chinese.[48] Lee commented, "That paper had all the names of the sifu from Chinatown, but they don't scare me".[49]

Individuals known to have witnessed the match included Cadwell, James Lee (Bruce Lee's associate, no relation) and William Chen, a teacher of Tai chi chuan. Wong and witness William Chen stated that the fight lasted an unusually long 20–25 minutes.[48] According to Bruce Lee, Linda Lee Cadwell, and James Yimm Lee, the fight lasted 3 minutes with a decisive victory for Bruce. "The fight ensued, it was a no holds barred fight, it took three minutes. Bruce got this guy down to the ground and said 'do you give up?' and the man said he gave up" — Linda Lee Cadwell.[44]

Wong Jack Man published his own account of the battle in the Chinese Pacific Weekly, a Chinese-language newspaper in San Francisco, which contained another challenge to Lee for a public rematch.[48] Lee had no reciprocation to Wong's article nor were there any further public announcements by either, but Lee had continued to teach Caucasians.

Lee's eventual celebrity put him in the path of a number of men who sought to make a name for themselves by causing a confrontation with Lee. A challenger had invaded Lee's private home in Hong Kong by trespassing into the backyard to incite Lee in combat. Lee finished the challenger violently with a kick, infuriated over the home invasion. Describing the incident, Herb Jackson states,

One time one fellow got over that wall, got into his yard and challenged him and he says 'how good are you?' And Bruce was poppin mad. He [Bruce] says 'he gets the idea, this guy, to come and invade my home, my own private home, invade it and challenge me.' He said he got so mad that he gave the hardest kick he ever gave anyone in his life.[50]

Bob Wall, USPK karate champion and Lee's co-star in Enter the Dragon, recalled one encounter that transpired after a film extra kept taunting Lee. The extra yelled that Lee was "a movie star, not a martial artist," that he "wasn't much of a fighter". Lee answered his taunts by asking him to jump down from the wall he was sitting on. Wall described Lee's opponent as "a gang-banger type of guy from Hong Kong," a "damned good martial artist," and observed that he was fast, strong, and bigger than Bruce.[51]

This kid was good. He was strong and fast, and he was really trying to punch Bruce's brains in. But Bruce just methodically took him apart.[52] Bruce kept moving so well, this kid couldn't touch him...then all of a sudden, Bruce got him and rammed his @!# with the wall and swept him up, proceeding to drop him and plant his knee into his opponent's chest, locked his arm out straight, and nailed him in the face repeatedly". — Bob Wall[53]"
 
Bruce was great!

In a sanctioned fight in a ring though, I think he would lose. Sometimes the weight/size difference is just too great. Word to Bully Beatdown when the big ol' russian dude was too big (NOMO) for the pro MMA fighter to actual inflict damage. Even though the MMA fighter is hindered more than the bully due to him not being able to do certain moves, but when the MMA fighter had russian dude on the ground trying to submit him, russian dude would just rip his arm away and out of the hold.

In a street fight I agree with most Bruce will find a way to win.

I have to agree though put Bruce in his weight class and it would be a wrap for the other person.

"Lee was involved in competitive fights, some of which were arranged while others were not. Dan Inosanto stated, "There's no doubt in my mind that if Bruce Lee had gone into pro boxing, he could easily have ranked in the top three in the lightweight division or junior-welterweight division".[42]

Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches.[43]

The following year, Lee became a member of the "Tigers of Junction Street," and was involved in numerous gang-related street fights. "In one of his last encounters, while removing his jacket the fellow he was squaring off against sucker punched him and blackened his eye. Bruce flew into a rage and went after him, knocking him out, breaking his opponent's arm. The police were called as a result".[44] The incident took place on a Hong Kong rooftop at 10 pm on Wednesday, 29 April 1959.[45]

In 1962, Lee knocked out Uechi, a Japanese black belt Karateka, in 11 seconds in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle. It was refereed by Jesse Glover. The incident took place in Seattle at a YMCA handball court. Taki Kamura says the battle lasted 10 seconds in contrary to Hart's statement.[46] Ed Hart states "The karate man arrived in his gi (uniform), complete with black belt, while Bruce showed up in his street clothes and simply took off his shoes. The fight lasted exactly 11 seconds – I know because I was the time keeper – and Bruce had hit the guy something like 15 times and kicked him once. I thought he'd killed him".[47]

In Oakland, California in 1964 at Chinatown, Lee had a controversial private match with Wong Jack Man, a direct student of Ma Kin Fung known for his mastery of Xingyiquan, Northern Shaolin, and Tai chi chuan. According to Lee, the Chinese community issued an ultimatum to him to stop teaching non-Chinese; when he refused to comply he was challenged to a combat match with Wong, the arrangement being that if Lee lost he would have to shut down his school while if he won then Lee would be free to teach Caucasians or anyone else.[44] Wong denies this, stating that he requested to fight Lee after Lee issued an open challenge during one of Lee's demonstrations at a Chinatown theatre, and that Wong himself did not discriminate against Caucasians or other non-Chinese.[48] Lee commented, "That paper had all the names of the sifu from Chinatown, but they don't scare me".[49]

Individuals known to have witnessed the match included Cadwell, James Lee (Bruce Lee's associate, no relation) and William Chen, a teacher of Tai chi chuan. Wong and witness William Chen stated that the fight lasted an unusually long 20–25 minutes.[48] According to Bruce Lee, Linda Lee Cadwell, and James Yimm Lee, the fight lasted 3 minutes with a decisive victory for Bruce. "The fight ensued, it was a no holds barred fight, it took three minutes. Bruce got this guy down to the ground and said 'do you give up?' and the man said he gave up" — Linda Lee Cadwell.[44]

Wong Jack Man published his own account of the battle in the Chinese Pacific Weekly, a Chinese-language newspaper in San Francisco, which contained another challenge to Lee for a public rematch.[48] Lee had no reciprocation to Wong's article nor were there any further public announcements by either, but Lee had continued to teach Caucasians.

Lee's eventual celebrity put him in the path of a number of men who sought to make a name for themselves by causing a confrontation with Lee. A challenger had invaded Lee's private home in Hong Kong by trespassing into the backyard to incite Lee in combat. Lee finished the challenger violently with a kick, infuriated over the home invasion. Describing the incident, Herb Jackson states,

One time one fellow got over that wall, got into his yard and challenged him and he says 'how good are you?' And Bruce was poppin mad. He [Bruce] says 'he gets the idea, this guy, to come and invade my home, my own private home, invade it and challenge me.' He said he got so mad that he gave the hardest kick he ever gave anyone in his life.[50]

Bob Wall, USPK karate champion and Lee's co-star in Enter the Dragon, recalled one encounter that transpired after a film extra kept taunting Lee. The extra yelled that Lee was "a movie star, not a martial artist," that he "wasn't much of a fighter". Lee answered his taunts by asking him to jump down from the wall he was sitting on. Wall described Lee's opponent as "a gang-banger type of guy from Hong Kong," a "damned good martial artist," and observed that he was fast, strong, and bigger than Bruce.[51]

This kid was good. He was strong and fast, and he was really trying to punch Bruce's brains in. But Bruce just methodically took him apart.[52] Bruce kept moving so well, this kid couldn't touch him...then all of a sudden, Bruce got him and rammed his @!# with the wall and swept him up, proceeding to drop him and plant his knee into his opponent's chest, locked his arm out straight, and nailed him in the face repeatedly". — Bob Wall[53]"
 
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