Black Culture Discussion Thread

[tr1ll]

yknow i... i'm unclear on what the discussion is. Is this just an accountability question?

Basically, the idea is if a woman is a single mother, its her fault which I think is trying to absolve men's accountability in the situation because a man has to shoot the club up for her to have a child in the first place.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Basically, the idea is if a woman is a single mother, its her fault which I think is trying to absolve men's accountability in the situation because a man has to shoot the club up for her to have a child in the first place.

See THIS wasn't even the question because relationships can go sour for whatever reason.

I thought the convo was for extreme cases of dudes just being flat out deadbeats./bums Which is completely different than two consenting adults just not working out.

So the convo wasn't JUSt about (all) single women.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I hear ya champ. When you ask “if the father just died” are you talking about by way of natural causes due to old age/something like that…..or are you talking about the father being killed out here in the streets doing something stupid??

The likelihood between the two in this day and age is the latter for certain. You can sit around with your head in the clouds and play games about the subject if you want to.

DCAllAfrican ……any idea or insight about the father??

This is where the convo started.

CLearly the type of man deuce king was talking about would be the type of man we would HOPE our daughters avoided altogether.

It wasn't just about a single mother due to a peaceful breakup situation.

 

[tr1ll]

See THIS wasn't even the question because relationships can go sour for whatever reason.

I thought the convo was for extreme cases of dudes just being flat out deadbeats./bums Which is completely different than two consenting adults just not working out.

So the convo wasn't JUSt about (all) single women.

Naw Present...presented his situation and I stated that was not what we were talking about. We we talking about the idea that its a woman's fault she chose a dead beat father. Then someone dropped one of the Sad Boy's greatest hits, "Women control sex" blah blah.

 

[tr1ll]

I will work that out for you. It's pretty simple, we were never talking about P Present . Thats you moving the goal post because of what ONE woman did you. We're talking about women choosing bum *** dudes. Why would you even put yourself in this? You're right about on thing, you don't force a woman to have sex with you, one way or the other you convince them and if you didn't, you can't be upset at the outcome. Just like women are generally aware of who they make children with so are men. Either you wrap it or flip it a man has to impregnate a women for any of this to even happen.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I will work that out for you. It's pretty simple, we were never talking about P Present . Thats you moving the goal post because of what ONE woman did you. We're talking about women choosing bum *** dudes. Why would you even put yourself in this? You're right about on thing, you don't force a woman to have sex with you, one way or the other you convince them and if you didn't, you can't be upset at the outcome. Just like women are generally aware of who they make children with so are men. Either you wrap it or flip it a man has to impregnate a women for any of this to even happen.

How does this help your argument?

If a woman choses a BUM dude, how is that NOT on her?

Sure, the dude being a bum is a huge problem but he isn't ALLOWING himself inside the "room."

I just have a hard time following the logic here man.

But, I tap out forreal this time. Dead Horse.

 

[tr1ll]

Back to the actual subject at hand, how about this? We've heard this phrase and probably even lived. "I was gonna let him smash, but he didn't even try. " Access was given but because the action wasn't made to accept access. You can TRY to LET someone take action, but it's still there decision to take said action.

 

[gry60]

When you control access to something, it starts

What part of “dudes don’t have to smash raw” do you disagree with?

Is smashing raw something women control too?

We can freeze our sperm and get vasectomy. Is this not entirely under our control?

That’s what is meant by “it takes two to tango.”

When you look at getting pregnant as a process, women having all the control on the outcome downstream of the process doesn’t excuse men not exercising the control they have at the beginning of it.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

First of all, how dare you blaspheme Krispy Kreme? Second of all strawman.

Back to the actual subject at hand, how about this? We've heard this phrase and probably even lived. "I was gonna let him smash, but he didn't even try. " Access was given but because the action wasn't made to accept access. You can TRY to LET someone take action, but it's still there decision to take said action.

If the act never took place nobody can get pregnant. We aren't discussing situations where conception never took place.

What part of “dudes don’t have to smash raw” do you disagree with?

Is smashing raw something women control too?

We can freeze our sperm and get vasectomy. Is this not entirely under our control?

That’s what is meant by “it takes two to tango.”

When you look at getting pregnant as a process, women having all the control on the outcome downstream of the process doesn’t excuse men not exercising the control they have at the beginning of it.

Re-read all that I have said.

MEN have to do better. You shouldn't just be going up in anything that you don't plan on having a baby with.

I NEVER disagreed with two to tango.

Nobody disagrees with ANYTHING you are saying. Not ONE bit.

Not sure where you read otherwise.

 

[finessence]

I never understood how chics get with cats that got several kids, that they don’t take care of… then decides to have kids with him, thinking theirs will be treated any different Thinking theirs will magically make someone straighten up and be responsible.

Being irresponsible is DEFINITELY a learned behavior IMO. It starts at a very young age with most people.

People literally show you what their about right in your face and adults (male and female) go for the continued swindle everytime.

Absent of being raped, drugged or assaulted into having sex, I really don’t be having sympathy.

Especially nowadays. With social media, off first glance or conversation, people SHOW you who they are

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I never understood how chics get with cats that got several kids, that they don’t take care of… then decides to have kids with him, thinking theirs will be any different

People literally show you what their about right in your face and adults (male and female) go for the continued swindle everytime.

Absent of being raped, drugged or assaulted into having sex, I really don’t be having sympathy.

Especially nowadays. With social media, off first glance or conversation, people SHOW you who they are

For some reason tr1ll thinks us saying women control the access means we are absolving men from all blame.

NOBODY is excusing deadbeats.

Nobody wants them in our community.

We are CONSTANTLY talking about the absence of fathers impacts on generations of children but for some reason we are absolving men of all responsibility?

Yall be getting high or something man.

 

[finessence]

For some reason tr1ll thinks us saying women control the access means we are absolving men from all blame.

NOBODY is excusing deadbeats.

Nobody wants them in our community.

We are CONSTANTLY talking about the absence of fathers impacts on generations of children but for some reason we are absolving men of all responsibility?

Yall be getting high or something man.

… a lot of men also fail to realize that women crave sex EQUALLY if not more than men sometimes. Some are trying to get “right” buy any means. They’re acting upon cravings just like us.

Responsibility or “making a sound decision” be damned, they want sex badly. Some can’t control their body. They’re weak in the flesh just like some of us men

 

[tokes99]

Naw Present...presented his situation and I stated that was not what we were talking about. We we talking about the idea that its a woman's fault she chose a dead beat father. Then someone dropped one of the Sad Boy's greatest hits, "Women control sex" blah blah.

outside of single women choosing ivf/surrogacy (i think this illustrates the fact more women want/are willing to be mothers absent of men than vice versa which may be a motivating factor for some women getting pregnant by dudes that meet their physical attraction requirements & not much else) it is generally the case that it takes both man & woman, this is not in dispute nor is the case that i'm on man has no accountability...it is really just that nature dictates women will have more repercussions & responsibility in the ting, as such it is rationale to think women have more accountability being that barring something external to that man & woman, man cannot be made to do anything

 

[tr1ll]

If the act never took place nobody can get pregnant. We aren't discussing situations where conception never took place.

STOP SIGN?!?!

What?

 

[tr1ll]

If the act never took place nobody can get pregnant. We aren't discussing situations where conception never took place.




Re-read all that I have said.

MEN have to do better. You shouldn't just be going up in anything that you don't plan on having a baby with.

I NEVER disagreed with two to tango.

Nobody disagrees with ANYTHING you are saying. Not ONE bit.

Not sure where you read otherwise.

You do realize he's agree with me, right?

 

[tr1ll]

We are simply stating the fact that its not all the women fault a deadbeat got her pregnant. Yall keep trying to say its the women's responsibility to tell the man to strap up, like we just uncapable of making that decision on our own. Like damn, she gotta tell you to take out the trash too??

 

[DCAllAfrican]

You do realize he's agree with me, right?

I'm well aware.

I provided two distinct responses to two distinct comments.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

We are simply stating the fact that its not all the women fault a deadbeat got her pregnant. Yall keep trying to say its the women's responsibility to tell the man to strap up, like we just uncapable of making that decision on our own. Like damn, she gotta tell you to take out the trash too??

Nobody said this.

Please quote anyone saying THIS.

We are saying the woman shouldn't even LET a deadbeat smash, let alone raw.

The woman should demand that the dude straps up.

The dude should strap up.

 

[tr1ll]

Nobody said this.

Please quote anyone saying THIS.

ok..

The woman should demand that the dude straps up.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

ok..

EXCLUSIVELY.

It's a conversation BOTH should be part of.

You made it seem like folks were in here saying ONLY the woman should be telling the dude to strap up.

 

[Present]

If birds have enough sense to build a nest BEFORE laying eggs, then I don't know what all the talk is about

Cuz WILDIN!

This was 1986! 40 years ago.

 

[gotjz]

We are simply stating the fact that its not all the women fault a deadbeat got her pregnant. Yall keep trying to say its the women's responsibility to tell the man to strap up, like we just uncapable of making that decision on our own. Like damn, she gotta tell you to take out the trash too??

Still missing it completely. You’re trying to get the DEADBEAT to act responsibly which is OPPOSITE to who he is and 99% of the time has shown the woman his exact character (whether she picks up on obvious signs is on her….most modern women [blk] in my case who come from single mama households don’t have the discernment, intuition, and/or proper values to to properly ascertain). On top of that, the deadbeat does NOT face the same repercussions as the woman does in the event that things inevitably go awry…. He can continue to be a deadbeat consequence free while the woman has to become a single mother which comes with a cascading and compounding issues for her (not even speaking on the devastation to the child). If you cared about the women, the only sensible rhetoric is to put FULL (yes 100%) accountability on the gate keeper to sex which is always the woman. Do not let bad characters into your “house” just to complain about the results from said bad character. That’s silliness.

Imagine trying to convince roaches from not infesting a dirty crib vs putting full responsibility on the house owner to keep the house clean. “It takes 2 to tango”, the roaches have to appear AND the house has to be dirty for there to be a roach infestation of the house correct? The roaches have no complaints or problems with infesting the dirty house just as the deadbeats literally have no qualms dumping in a joint and ghosting off the face of the face of the earth as far as the baby is concerned. The house owner = the woman who has to deal with the consequences and repercussions of the situation.

 

[tr1ll]

EXCLUSIVELY.

It's a conversation BOTH should be part of.

You made it seem like folks were in here saying ONLY the woman should be telling the dude to strap up.

Again, insane take. With your logic, if you know someone that leaves their house unlocked and ppl go in there to rob them of everything…. Who are you putting the onus on? The opportunistic robbers (in perfect world they would make all the choices not to do that, and I’m not condoning the robbers) or the person that chooses to leave their house unlocked?

You say that is if "both" is not an option. Your insurance company will definitely will see it as an option. Thats what it comes down to at the end of the day...it's BOFFUM and you know its both because both point sitting fingers. Back to the point I started to make...

"It takes two to tango..."

-Huey P Newton

 

[gotjz]

EXCLUSIVELY.

It's a conversation BOTH should be part of.

You made it seem like folks were in here saying ONLY the woman should be telling the dude to strap up.

The woman shouldn’t be engaging in that behavior with that type of man in the first place….everybody keeps skipping that part. It’s her responsibility who she lets inside 100% no if, ands, or butts outside of criminality ala SA, R….

 

[finessence]

We are simply stating the fact that its not all the women fault a deadbeat got her pregnant. Yall keep trying to say its the women's responsibility to tell the man to strap up, like we just uncapable of making that decision on our own. Like damn, she gotta tell you to take out the trash too??

He wasn’t taking out the trash when they got TOGETHER. That’s the point. Like I said, adults literally show their habits from the onset. If they (male or female) decide to play dumb their whole lives, that’s on them

Dawg, women be knowing EXACTLY what cats are about.

I had a cousin who’s in nursing. This fool was dating a dude who didn’t want to shower and had bad oral hygiene.

She also dated a dude that had like two kids and he had her buy Christmas gifts for them, and passed it off as if he bought them.

That’s plain old DUMB