Black Culture Discussion Thread

This is disingenuous. People are compelled to migrate to the West because Western nations have systematically collaborated to disenfranchise their countries through exploitative trade deals, economic manipulation, and even threats of war. In short, they keep their foot on these nations necks to ensure they stay on top. Had that not been the case, these countries and their citizens would have been able to thrive on their own terms. And yet, when migrants do arrive, where the resources are avaialble, their children often go on to excel, despite the odds stacked against them.
It's not.

My original counterpoint was that when it comes to childhood outcomes, the availability of and access to resources matters more than the family configuration. In many African countries, divorce is generally highly discouraged, patriarchal hierarchy is observed, the level of religiosity is high, and yet childhood outcomes are still lower than in the West with its higher rates of divorce and single parenthood, as evidenced by the higher rates of youth unemployment/incarceration and the high levels of youth emigration.

Offering moral solutions to economic problems just doesn't make sense to me.
 
Some say the US government used 2nd wave feminism, the sexual revolution, and incentivized abortion, single parenthood, and misandry in the black community through government programs, mainstream media propaganda, and strategically placed racist narratives.

Ex:

No man can live in the home to qualify for public assistance, making the US government the new Black father.

Racist hiring practices / Jim Crow laws left many Black men unemployed and unable to financially support their families.

Mass incarceration

Crack epidemic

Etc. etc.

The Negro Project, instigated in 1939 by Margaret Sanger, was one of the first major undertakings of the new Birth Control Federation of America (BCFA), the product of a merger between the American Birth Control League and Sanger's Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau, and one of the more controversial campaigns of the birth control movement. Developed by white birth control reformers, who consulted with AfricanAmericans for help in promoting the project only well after its inception, the NegroProject and associated campaigns were, nevertheless, widely supported by such blackleaders as Mary McLeod Bethune, W. E. B. DuBois, and Rev. Adam Clayton Powell, Jr.Influenced strongly by both the eugenics movement and the progressive welfareprograms of the New Deal era, the Negro Project was, from the start, largely indifferentto the needs of the black community and constructed in terms and with perceptions thattoday smack of racism.

What it became was not the project Sanger had first envisioned.

In 1939, Sanger teamed with Mary Woodward Reinhardt, secretary of the newly formed BCFA, to secure a large donor to fund an educational campaign to teach African-American women in the South about contraception. Sanger, Reinhardt, and Sanger's secretary, Florence Rose, drafted a report on "Birth Control and the Negro," skillfully using language that appealed both to eugenicists fearful of unchecked black fertility and progressives committed to shepherding African-Americans into middle-class culture. Thereport stated that "[N]egroes present the great problem of the South," as they are the group with "the greatest economic, health and social problems," and outlined a practicalbirth control program geared toward a population characterized as largely illiterate and that "still breed carelessly and disastrously," a line borrowed from a June 1932 BirthControl Review article by W.E.B. DuBois. Armed with this paper, Reinhardt initiated contact between Sanger and Albert Lasker (soon to be Reinhardt's husband), who pledged $20,000 starting in November 1939. ("Birth Control and the Negro," July 1939, Lasker Papers)

However, once funding was secured, the project slipped from Sanger's hands. She had proposed that the money go to train "an up and doing modern minister, colored, and an up and doing modern colored medical man" at her New York clinic who would then tour"as many Southern cities and organizations and churches and medical societies as they can get before" and "preach and preach and preach!" She believed that after a year of such "educational agitation," the Federation could support a "practical campaign for supplying mothers with contraceptives." Before going in and establishing clinics, Sanger thought it critical to gain the support and involvement of the African-American community(not just its leaders) and establish a foundation of trust. Her proposal derived from the work of activists in the field, discussions with black leaders, and her experience with the New York clinics. Sanger understood the concerns of some within the black community about having Northern whites intervene in the most intimate aspect of their lives. "I do not believe," she warned, "that this project should be directed or run by white medical men.

In the end, Sanger's plan for an educational campaign to precede the demonstration project lost out to the white medical and public relations men running the new Federation.

But the BCFA (which changed its name to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America in 1942) forced Florence Rose to leave in 1943 – a result of her inability to follow new bureaucratic procedures and her allegiance to Sanger, who was immersed in her own clashes with Federation staff. With Rose's departure, the Division of NegroService floundered and soon shut down. The Federation delegated "Negro" work to other departments and eventually passed off remnants of the program to state affiliates

"The public rationale for the Project was rooted ineconomics, tax-payer burden, and the social threats posed by what was perceived to bean exploding black underclass, rather than the health and sexual liberation of blackwomen (though it should be notes that the birth control movement largely ignored the issue of women's —black or white— sexual autonomy in the interwar years).

... And there is no doubt that a good number of medical professionals involved in the birth control movement exhibited strong racist sentiments, some of them arguing for and even carrying out compulsory sterilization on black women considered to be of low intelligence and therefore not capable of choosing not to control their fertility, as well as on those deemed morally or behaviorally deviant."


IMHO, there is no way Black folks went from:

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to:



In only 16 years without the United States Government being involved.


i've never been into the theory that the guhv'ment is the culprit... intentionally, at least...people do respond to incentives however so i can see the connection(s) people make around that inference
 

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Some say the US government used 2nd wave feminism, the sexual revolution, and incentivized abortion, single parenthood, and misandry in the black community through government programs, mainstream media propaganda, and strategically placed racist narratives.

Ex:

No man can live in the home to qualify for public assistance, making the US government the new Black father.

Racist hiring practices / Jim Crow laws left many Black men unemployed and unable to financially support their families.

Mass incarceration

Crack epidemic

Etc. etc.

The Negro Project, instigated in 1939 by Margaret Sanger, was one of the first major undertakings of the new Birth Control Federation of America (BCFA), the product of a merger between the American Birth Control League and Sanger's Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau, and one of the more controversial campaigns of the birth control movement. Developed by white birth control reformers, who consulted with AfricanAmericans for help in promoting the project only well after its inception, the NegroProject and associated campaigns were, nevertheless, widely supported by such blackleaders as Mary McLeod Bethune, W. E. B. DuBois, and Rev. Adam Clayton Powell, Jr.Influenced strongly by both the eugenics movement and the progressive welfareprograms of the New Deal era, the Negro Project was, from the start, largely indifferentto the needs of the black community and constructed in terms and with perceptions thattoday smack of racism.

What it became was not the project Sanger had first envisioned.

In 1939, Sanger teamed with Mary Woodward Reinhardt, secretary of the newly formed BCFA, to secure a large donor to fund an educational campaign to teach African-American women in the South about contraception. Sanger, Reinhardt, and Sanger's secretary, Florence Rose, drafted a report on "Birth Control and the Negro," skillfully using language that appealed both to eugenicists fearful of unchecked black fertility and progressives committed to shepherding African-Americans into middle-class culture. Thereport stated that "[N]egroes present the great problem of the South," as they are the group with "the greatest economic, health and social problems," and outlined a practicalbirth control program geared toward a population characterized as largely illiterate and that "still breed carelessly and disastrously," a line borrowed from a June 1932 BirthControl Review article by W.E.B. DuBois. Armed with this paper, Reinhardt initiated contact between Sanger and Albert Lasker (soon to be Reinhardt's husband), who pledged $20,000 starting in November 1939. ("Birth Control and the Negro," July 1939, Lasker Papers)

However, once funding was secured, the project slipped from Sanger's hands. She had proposed that the money go to train "an up and doing modern minister, colored, and an up and doing modern colored medical man" at her New York clinic who would then tour"as many Southern cities and organizations and churches and medical societies as they can get before" and "preach and preach and preach!" She believed that after a year of such "educational agitation," the Federation could support a "practical campaign for supplying mothers with contraceptives." Before going in and establishing clinics, Sanger thought it critical to gain the support and involvement of the African-American community(not just its leaders) and establish a foundation of trust. Her proposal derived from the work of activists in the field, discussions with black leaders, and her experience with the New York clinics. Sanger understood the concerns of some within the black community about having Northern whites intervene in the most intimate aspect of their lives. "I do not believe," she warned, "that this project should be directed or run by white medical men.

In the end, Sanger's plan for an educational campaign to precede the demonstration project lost out to the white medical and public relations men running the new Federation.

But the BCFA (which changed its name to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America in 1942) forced Florence Rose to leave in 1943 – a result of her inability to follow new bureaucratic procedures and her allegiance to Sanger, who was immersed in her own clashes with Federation staff. With Rose's departure, the Division of NegroService floundered and soon shut down. The Federation delegated "Negro" work to other departments and eventually passed off remnants of the program to state affiliates

"The public rationale for the Project was rooted ineconomics, tax-payer burden, and the social threats posed by what was perceived to bean exploding black underclass, rather than the health and sexual liberation of blackwomen (though it should be notes that the birth control movement largely ignored the issue of women's —black or white— sexual autonomy in the interwar years).

... And there is no doubt that a good number of medical professionals involved in the birth control movement exhibited strong racist sentiments, some of them arguing for and even carrying out compulsory sterilization on black women considered to be of low intelligence and therefore not capable of choosing not to control their fertility, as well as on those deemed morally or behaviorally deviant."


IMHO, there is no way Black folks went from:

Black-Women-Historical-Marriage-1890-to-2010.jpg


to:



In only 16 years without the United States Government being involved.


You still crying about the WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIte man
 
It's not.

My original counterpoint was that when it comes to childhood outcomes, the availability of and access to resources matters more than the family configuration. In many African countries, divorce is generally highly discouraged, patriarchal hierarchy is observed, the level of religiosity is high, and yet childhood outcomes are still lower than in the West with its higher rates of divorce and single parenthood, as evidenced by the higher rates of youth unemployment/incarceration and the high levels of youth emigration.

Offering moral solutions to economic problems just doesn't make sense to me.
And that goes back to what I said: if these countries weren’t hindered by Western interference and were allowed to fully harness and develop their own resources, they would thrive. The moment individuals from these regions gain access to the resources available in wealthier nations, they’re often able to capitalize on them and succeed.

Dismissing moral solutions in economic discussions sounds convenient, but it’s a lazy take. Economic systems are shaped by human behaviorand that includes moral choices. Corruption, inequality, and exploitation are moral failures. Many of which are rooted in Western influence and manipulation.
 
if these countries weren’t hindered by Western interference and were allowed to fully harness and develop their own resources, they would thrive
Somebody needs a lesson on precolonial Africa.

Without Western interference, you certainly wouldn’t have the current makeup of the African continent (56 countries); however, you would still find the power dynamics that makes a powerful/influential polity dominate and/or subjugate their neighbors. So no, it isn’t a guarantee that they would all thrive. Mansa Musa and Sundiata Keita practiced the art of conquest. Who do you think they subjugated? It wasn’t European peasants.

The absence of Europeans also isn’t a guarantee that they would work together to achieve common prosperity (just look at current events driven by internal xenophobia, even though China, India, and Arab countries have been the largest trading partners of African countries for the past 20 years). Ibrahim Traoré kicked out Europeans and is sending his doctors to the frontlines because they talk too much. Mugabe kicked out White Zimbabweans and still went to war with other Black Zimbabweans because they were from a different tribe.


The moment individuals from these regions gain access to the resources available in wealthier nations, they’re often able to capitalize on them and succeed.
But that success only happens while those individuals remain in wealthier nations. The system of those nations is a huge contributor to that outcome, but I assume you dismiss that.
I know plenty of folks who went back to my country, and many have had difficulties replicating the success (academic or professional) they found here because that system values competency a lot less than it values quiproquo/loyalty relationships. Who are the current managers of that system? Local politicians. Who encourages unaccountability, nepotism, corruption, etc…? They do. They have the agency to do it. The folks who have gone back find out rather quickly that their attempts to improve the system get rejected by the local powers, so they either do things the local way, or they try to come back to the West and only go back to visit. That’s is the current reality.
Corruption, inequality, and exploitation are moral failures. Many of which are rooted in Western influence and manipulation.
My favorite thing to do is to remind folks that 25 years ago, Africa turned away from the West and towards China because African presidents didn’t want loan/grant money to be tied to pro-democracy and anti-corruption requirements. Those who have been following African politics for that long know this.

A lot of things you say rely on the assumption that Africans have no agency, and that they can’t use the agency they have to make self-serving decisions that ignore the grander principles of global black unity.
 


1) Martin never talked about her complexion

2) EVERYONEEEEEEE on that show got cracked on. Gina got called mellow yellow, redbone, got her big head damn near pointed out every show :lol :lol

3) what’s wrong with these soft a*** folks? We all got jokes. If you can’t laugh at YOURSELF then you’re already food out here

No one cares about your feelings

Me and my homies would’ve sent her home. Cats literally use to go in so hard, had dudes who stayed close to the school going back home just to change clothes:rollin :lol
 


Yea I could see this.

I agree with her. Him going @ Pam was definitely more highlighted than the battle between any other two characters. It's not that, "Everyone got it", but she definitely GOT it. Calling her animals and all, it definitely FELT different than anything else on the show.

Also, it's easy to look BACK on it now with 2025 vision because we know better now.

We need to be careful with the RetroActive morality for some of these things though.

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Dead***, my baby sister had dark skin jokes before she even started school. We have no idea where she go it from.
 
Funny part about them type of jokes between Pam and Martin, you could really only joke like that with people you knew and cared about if that makes sense. At least that's how it was growing up for me.
 
True but some people put on a face but be hurt on the inside and be scared to say something. Dark skinned people are sensitive about that stuff tho. We saw that back in NTMAW. Dudes was upset other dudes wasn't voting for dark skinned girls. :lol
 
Yea I could see this.

I agree with her. Him going @ Pam was definitely more highlighted than the battle between any other two characters. It's not that, "Everyone got it", but she definitely GOT it. Calling her animals and all, it definitely FELT different than anything else on the show.

Also, it's easy to look BACK on it now with 2025 vision because we know better now.

We need to be careful with the RetroActive morality for some of these things though.

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I’m dark and had absolutely NO Problem getting girls or making friends.

Again… people want to cry and cry because they didn’t know how to crack back or rebuttal

Look at his profile picture with those goofy *** shades. I see why he got picked on :lol :lol

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they even roasted her on her lack of hips a few times too :lol:
crazy she was ok with that

Carl Anthony Payne/Cole was bright skinned and fresh as hell… he was the butt of ALLLL jokes.

His girl after big Shirley was light skinned.. she and Cole got clowned worse than EVERYONE. People always want to cry about something.

Tisha Campbell was literally light skinned and bald headed :lol :lol

“We know better” bruh EVERYONE gets cracked on.

IG, FB and Twitter are FULLLLLL of people cracking on each other. It’s 10xxxx WORSE nowadays.

What are you talking about? :lol

Kids are literally committing suicide or being told to stay off social media to avoid getting clowned.

I hate how people act like 2025 is soooooo different than the past. Things are 10000000 times worse.

All you see on social media is people clowning and roasting one another

Shanice McGillicutty and Cole Brown use to get violated :rollin :rollin
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"Bright Skinned" confused the hell out of me as a kid. In my mind "Bright skinned" = "Light Skinned". My momma asked about one of my "bright skinned" friends. I was like "Who?!? I don't have any bright skinned friends." :lol
 
"Bright Skinned" confused the hell out of me as a kid. In my mind "Bright skinned" = "Light Skinned". My momma asked about one of my "bright skinned" friends. I was like "Who?!? I don't have any bright skinned friends." :lol

Can’t forget about those how think light skinned/bright skinned automatically = “good/decent grade of hair”

I have lighter cousins and their hair is way more course than mines. Folks use to be crying during combing
 
And people are so naive, they don’t realize that Martin deep down wanted to f*** Pam and was super attracted to her.

That’s why they had the Episode when BruhMan was talking about Sigmund Freud and the unconscious mind.

Martin wanted to beat Pam :lol it was an open secret basically.
 
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