Black Culture Discussion Thread

First of all, its like your only seeing what you want to see in this. You do understand man and woman who made baby doesn't automatically equal strong nuclear family? Secondly, how do you know what goes on in Asian and Jewish families? Because thats what it looks like? From the outside? Is that what you saw in your visiting? Are you really open to better solutions? Or are you just being facetious? The solution was stated pages ago.

Thats what I don't like about idealism. It only fits in a specific box. It can't bend, it can't compromise or improvise. If you take someone's idealistic views out of the box, "Well....well....."

Dude doesn’t understand how the Silk Road and opium usage literally had them Asian cats dope fiend leaning.

White people also are heavy drug and alcohol abusers… every culture has it’s issues. Kids come home and see mom or dad passed out drunk. Drug use, physical abuse, etc

I swear some of these dudes hate being black. They think only black families have issues.

Some white Mormon woman literally just got convicted of killing her kids and ex husband for insurance money.

Everyone… has… problems
 
Halfway between the truth and a lie is still a lie.

Even a bird has enough sense to build a nest BEFORE laying eggs.

Anyone who argues that 1 income is better than 2 incomes isn't holding a position I'm interested in.

Of course, racism exists. So what? What are we going to do about it?

If upholding traditional values, nuclear families, and the simple concept of "marry before you carry" result in this kind of backlash in our community, then we are already cooked.

If our men are more interested in whining than winning, and place excuses over execution, we deserve to be exactly where we are.

If being "black" means I have to ignore the truth, indulge in ignorance, live below my capabilities, and watch everyone else advance while I sit on the sideline complaining, crying about "da white man", I'll continue to mind my own business and go my own way.

“My eyes have seen the glory!!”
 
You forgot to mention that the so called “school to prison pipeline” that you speak of consists of ALOT of young black males VOLUNTARILY signing up for jail these days. Nobody is going to jail for unpaid parking tickets champ. A lot of brothas want to be locked up……and deserve to be there truth be told.

They like going to jail because they like men :lol :lol they’re going to jail to be with their boyfriends:rollin
 
My man, you must live in a place where systemic racism doesn’t exist. Here in America, it’s embedded in everything from education to housing to the legal system. There have been studies showing the school to prison pipeline. Racism and its negative impact on our community didn’t go away when they let our parents drink from any water fountain. You can catch the right episode of last week tonight to catch up on some of this. Also, see redlining and school funding.

And a lot of the progress that has been made is being rolled back by the current gop.

My, "The Truth is somewhere in the middle" comment was in response to this P Present
 
You forgot to mention that the so called “school to prison pipeline” that you speak of consists of ALOT of young black males VOLUNTARILY signing up for jail these days. Nobody is going to jail for unpaid parking tickets champ. A lot of brothas want to be locked up……and deserve to be there truth be told.
Except it’s not. The school to prison pipeline refers to students of marginalized groups being given harsher punishments for regular kid **** compared to others. It does not refer to major crimes committed by “brothas” which is what I assume you’re talking about. And since you mentioned parking tickets, have you not seen stories of blacks people getting pulled over for nonsense and being assaulted and murdered by cops? In America, that happens way too often.


:rofl: at “so called”

Do better, both of y’all.
 
My, "The Truth is somewhere in the middle" comment was in response to this P Present

Agreed.

Pointing out systemic racism does not negate the fact that far too many folks invest in conscientious stupidity and willful ignorance.

Two things can be true at the same time.

I might not be able to tear systemic racism down alone, but I can make good decisions in my own life and link with like-minded individuals who do the same.

The more of us that make good decisions = the more of us that can fight systemic racism.

Power concedes nothing without demand.
 
Speaking of young brothas voluntarily signing up for jail these days……we got two life sentences and one 40 year sentence with this case.



I know SOMEONE is going to say that these “young marginalized black kids were given a harsher punishment for doing regular kid stuff than another group “
 
And since you mentioned parking tickets, have you not seen stories of blacks people getting pulled over for nonsense and being assaulted and murdered by cops? In America, that happens way too often.


:rofl: at “so called”

Do better, both of y’all.

EVERY traffic stop is situational of course…..but the “murdered by cops……happens way too often” is a stretch champ.


The numbers speak for themselves in comparison to other races. That’s not even taking into account what actions either party were doing before the black person got killed. Some murdered were justified IF the person had or was using a weapon against a cop. Some were not. Black people are simply NOT getting killed by the police like some would like to have folks believe. We deal with FACTS over feelings over here champ.
 
Best practice for ANYONE not a white male to move around as if the system will never relinquish power to your group. It's 2025, you gotta make it happen yourself because unless you are a certain group nobody is trying to hear you whine about the system holding you back.

If you are a Black Man, nobody is ESPECIALLY trying to hear you cry about anything. No matter how much the world tells you, "Ah live your truth, speak out against the evils of the world." That doesn't apply to us.

Agreed.

Pointing out systemic racism does not negate the fact that far too many folks invest in conscientious stupidity and willful ignorance.

Two things can be true at the same time.

I might not be able to tear systemic racism down alone, but I can make good decisions in my own life and link with like-minded individuals who do the same.

The more of us that make good decisions = the more of us that can fight systemic racism.

Power concedes nothing without demand.



That's not to say that the system ISN'T rigged.
That's not to say that the system ISN'T rigged.
That's not to say that the system ISN'T rigged.
 
Speaking of young brothas voluntarily signing up for jail these days……we got two life sentences and one 40 year sentence with this case.



I know SOMEONE is going to say that these “young marginalized black kids were given a harsher punishment for doing regular kid stuff than another group “


Hell nall. They deserved it. Those sentences probably will get reversed as they get older. They all may end up doing 20-30+ years. They’ll eventually probably get released on appeal or good behavior.

The “life sentence” is just to scare them straight and make them think long and hard about their crimes.

My thing is. If you’re going to be in the “streets” at least try and get some money. I respect it more if you sell drugs or scam, boost, something.

If you’re doing street stuff just to kill and not get money, you’re a dummy who deserves prison time or to get wacked by the same people you’re trying to terrorize.

Being broke, uneducated and killing just to kill is the dumbest mindset that a lot of these street dudes exhibit
 
Best practice for ANYONE not a white male to move around as if the system will never relinquish power to your group. It's 2025, you gotta make it happen yourself because unless you are a certain group nobody is trying to hear you whine about the system holding you back.

If you are a Black Man, nobody is ESPECIALLY trying to hear you cry about anything. No matter how much the world tells you, "Ah live your truth, speak out against the evils of the world." That doesn't apply to us.





That's not to say that the system ISN'T rigged.
That's not to say that the system ISN'T rigged.
That's not to say that the system ISN'T rigged.

Facts!

The system is 1000% rigged.
 
Facts!

The system is 1000% rigged.

… but you said 250 years ago doesn’t matter! We told you what shaped white American wealth…

.. you keep contradicting yourself

Why do you keep doing that? You swore up and down the other day about people “crying” about the “white man” and 250 years vs the last 25 years :lol :lol
 
The truth exists somewhere in the middle.

The system is rigged but we aren't going to stop it, nor realistically slow it down. So you just gotta live within it and figure it out. Sounds harsh but it is what it is.

Be twice as better as others and behave your got damn self. Don't let "vices" derail you from doing what you need to do.

#MagicJohnsonTweet sure, but we know what it is so it's on us to save ourselves. "They" aren't and why would they?

The system is rigged.
The system is rigged.
The system is rigged.

completely off topic, but why the triple restating? after seeing the clips of the good brother dr umar digital panhandling & seemingly compulsively restating everything 3 times, I'm wondering is this some quirk of internet communication?

Halfway between the truth and a lie is still a lie.

Even a bird has enough sense to build a nest BEFORE laying eggs.

Anyone who argues that 1 income is better than 2 incomes isn't holding a position I'm interested in.

Of course, racism exists. So what? What are we going to do about it?

If upholding traditional values, nuclear families, and the simple concept of "marry before you carry" result in this kind of backlash in our community, then we are already cooked.

If our men are more interested in whining than winning, and place excuses over execution, we deserve to be exactly where we are.

If being "black" means I have to ignore the truth, indulge in ignorance, live below my capabilities, and watch everyone else advance while I sit on the sideline complaining, crying about "da white man", I'll continue to mind my own business and go my own way.

so i can understand the rationale that a single earner making a multiple of a dual income household is 'better' (sure there are many other caveats & considerations), this is the argument some women make which basically distills men to their ability to earn. the other common angle is it better to be free of the abusive, degenerate, or otherwise man of lack...there are other cases made but it basically comes back to some variation of those, nevermind that most folk are average folk that earn similarly are (mostly) sane

Untrue. Florida is still the Deep South. Majority of black Americans live in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, Florida. We’re the 3rd most populated state. We’re here in droves. Got to stop believing these liars

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didn't watch the vid but considering that black folk are <13% of the US population, the context of those numbers is missing...while millions of people could hardly be called small, cali has something like 40 million folks, florida is in the low/mid 20s...the fact that most black folk are in the south might be an aside in certain contexts so it may be a slightly disingenuous title but not necessarily untrue one
 
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My main reason for Triple Stating things is because people on the internet don't read. I need to emphasize things that I need to make sure folks get from my post because people love to, "So you are saying _______?" (When it was something I WASN'T saying).

"I love waffles." (That doesn't mean I think pancakes aren't good 3x) Would be an example of that.

I honestly do it outside of what Umar has ever done. It's a common oratory practice.
 
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My main reason for Triple Stating things is because people on the internet don't read. I need to emphasize things that I need to make sure folks get from my post because people love to, "So you are saying _______?" (When it was something I WASN'T saying).

"I love waffles." (That doesn't mean I think pancakes aren't good 3x) Would be an example of that.

I honestly do it outside of what Umar has ever done. It's a common oratory practice.

Between moving the goal post and strawman logical fallacies - it's exhausting, Fam.

Best not to engage. Those folks are way too emotional.

If folks invested as much effort into solutions as they put into crying, whining, and complaining, it wouldn't matter how much racists invest in institutional racism - because we would have our own, just like we did before desegregation, when Black folks were the most married, our families were the strongest, and we had no choice.

The "separate" part wasn't the problem.

The "equal" part was the problem.

Rev Dr. MLK Jr said so much himself. Economics is the key, but the Family is the backbone.

God, Family, Country.

No families = no traditions and no history.

Black folks crushed the narratives and relied on each other during the bus boycotts.

It was Black families working together that made things happen. Always has been and always will be.

Imagine if we kept that same energy, stuck together, and kept our families strong?

“I have come upon something that disturbs me deeply. I’ve come to believe we’re integrating into a burning house. I’m afraid America may be losing what moral vision she had. Until we assure the underclass has justice and opportunity, we will continue to perpetuate the anger and violence that tears at the soul of this nation.” - Rev Dr. MLK Jr

Carter G. Woodson wrote, “If a race has no history, it has no worthwhile tradition, it becomes a negligible factor in the thought of the world, and it stands in danger of being exterminated.”
 
Sometimes I sit back and feel like I don't think it's possible to eradicate generational poverty within the AA community.

Not saying it's not a worthwhile effort, but culturally(I might be coming from a place of ignorance), perseverance and resilience is deeply ingrained within it.
 
The PROPAGANDA of The Color Purple is alive and well.
People are talking about lived experiences steeped in cultural mores and you are talking about propaganda. Ask boomers which parents spent time with their kids supervising their homework.

The concept of the involved father is a recent phenomenon, driven by the increase in participation of wives/mothers in the workforce. I got boomer/gen x coworkers who love to remind me how back in their day, fathers used to be married to their job.

Let some folks in here tell it, the dynamic, structure, and format of a two parent household works for every other race……..except for black people for some unknown reason.
You do realize that the structure of the two parent household hasn’t always been the standard way of organizing the black family throughout history, don’t you? Many Africans arriving in the US came from polygamist, patriarchal, and matriarchal family structures. But I digress.

What’s being said is that the two-parent household is not a silver bullet for success. No amount of religious sermons is going to change the fact that marriage is only one of many other factors that matter in order to reach and maintain economic stability.
Not sure what you’re saying. If more black people were married, racists wouldn’t be racist? That can’t be what you’re saying.
He thinks marriage is the only metric that matters to achieve prosperity.
 
completely off topic, but why the triple restating? after seeing the clips of the good brother dr umar digital panhandling & seemingly compulsively restating everything 3 times, I'm wondering is this some quirk of internet communication?



so i can understand the rationale that a single earner making a multiple of a dual income household is 'better' (sure there are many other caveats & considerations), this is the argument some women make which basically distills men to their ability to earn. the other common angle is it better to be free of the abusive, degenerate, or otherwise man of lack...there are other cases made but it basically comes back to some variation of those, nevermind that most folk are average folk that earn similarly are (mostly) sane



didn't watch the vid but considering that black folk are <13% of the US population, the context of those numbers is missing...while millions of people could hardly be called small, cali has something like 40 million folks, florida is in the low/mid 20s...the fact that most black folk are in the south might be an aside in certain contexts so it may be a slightly disingenuous title but not necessarily untrue one

It ALWAYS end up with some mystery male negro beating on some or a bunch of black women. The PROPAGANDA of The Color Purple is alive and well.

Let some folks in here tell it, the dynamic, structure, and format of a two parent household works for every other race……..except for black people for some unknown reason. A lot of black people…..as evidence in here LOVE coming up the rough side of the mountain. There’s an easier way black people.



“Color purple” propaganda….?

Do you know how many women have been RAPED? Celie was raped twice and had two kids before 16…

Do you know how many women have been abused?????

The movie had real LIFE situations. That stuff actually happens
 
EVERY traffic stop is situational of course…..but the “murdered by cops……happens way too often” is a stretch champ.


The numbers speak for themselves in comparison to other races. That’s not even taking into account what actions either party were doing before the black person got killed. Some murdered were justified IF the person had or was using a weapon against a cop. Some were not. Black people are simply NOT getting killed by the police like some would like to have folks believe. We deal with FACTS over feelings over here champ.


:rofl: :rofl:at we deal in facts. Fam, this supports what I’m saying. I almost thought we were trying to say the same thing and just got our signals crossed, but the person who liked it was the dude saying black folks aren’t where he thinks we should be through no fault of institutional racism. Now I’m just convinced you can’t interpret charts.
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Definition of murder:

The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.


Is it more than other races? Yes.

Is it a reflection of institutional racism? Yes.

Is it way too many lives lost to police shootings? Yes.

Are there other (environmental, cultural, socio-economic & systemic problems) contributing factors besides race? Yes.

Is 6.1 fatal police shootings per million of the population per year equal to saying cops are murdering black people premeditatedly, aka planning to hunt and kill black folks, en masse? No.

If you know anything about the history of police in the United States, you'll know it was always like this from the very beginning.

In the American South, the earliest forms of organized policing, known as slave patrols, were indeed tasked with capturing runaway slaves and maintaining control over the enslaved population. These patrols were a precursor to modern law enforcement and played a significant role in enforcing the institution of slavery.

Black folks have always been overpoliced in the United States. None of this is new.

No need for hyperbole. The facts are bad enough on their own.
 
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Again… you’re the SAME guy that said 250+ years ago didn’t matter…. Now you acknowledging the past…

Please explain my guy :lol :lol
 
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